Coexistance - Blu-ray Forum

Mikeblu · 10-24-2007, 11:39 AM

while looking on the threads i notice someone saying that we might haveto coexist with hd-dvd (although i think that couldn't happen ever seen as were winning) but what would you views be if they did have to coexist, personally i would be really pissed off. nobody call me a troll as im just wondering about peoples opinions

ground chuck · 10-24-2007, 11:46 AM

look back at beta vs vhs, one won and one eventually disappeared. coexistence will only occur for a short period of time initially.

HDJK · 10-24-2007, 11:52 AM

VHS had 100% studio support. If Blu-ray doesn't get there (or HD DVD for that matter) we will have another DVD Audio/SACD fiasco: a niche product.

TruBlu2 · 10-24-2007, 11:54 AM

coexistence will not win out. Blu-ray will prevail sometime in 08.

BluOgre · 10-24-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeblu

while looking on the threads i notice someone saying that we might haveto coexist with hd-dvd (although i think that couldn't happen ever seen as were winning) but what would you views be if they did have to coexist, personally i would be really pissed off. nobody call me a troll as im just wondering about peoples opinions

IT doesn't matter what you want....retailers are eventually going to pick a side. They are not going to buy for DVD and two highdef formats. There is not enough floor space for most retailers.

It's also impossible to coexist with studios picking sides. People seem to think Fox, Disney, and Sony is going to magically start making HD's. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Either Bluray wins this war or I fear the highdef format will go down the toilet. We are quickly approaching that too....customers only have so much patience before they lose intrest.

dobyblue · 10-24-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TruBlu2

coexistence will not win out. Blu-ray will prevail sometime in 08.

Agreed 100%. I believe that CES 2009 will be the latest that the format war will be announced as undecidedly over by all parties.

I cannot see Universal not releasing on Blu-ray sometime in 2008.

BluOgre · 10-24-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by HDJK

VHS had 100% studio support. If Blu-ray doesn't get there (or HD DVD for that matter) we will have another DVD Audio/SACD fiasco: a niche product.

Yep, if Universal and Paramount don't eventually make Bluray the highdef format will become a niche product much like laserdisc.

Go Blu · 10-24-2007, 12:05 PM

There are going to be ALLOT more Blu-ray players sold in Q4 right into next year.

However its still not bullet proof though so the BDA needs to keep pushing hard. Especially if Microsoft does in fact decide to bundle in the HD-DUD drive in their XBOX. They will do everything in their power to prolong their life support so we can take NOTHING for granted.

Teazle · 10-24-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BluOgre

IT doesn't matter what you want....retailers are eventually going to pick a side. They are not going to buy for DVD and two highdef formats. There is not enough floor space for most retailers.

I agree that both formats can't coexist, but software retailer floor space is not the reason. Suppose Warner picks a side; in that case there would be no titles available on both formats, so no "wasted" floor space (for discs) as against a single format.

Go Blu · 10-24-2007, 12:25 PM

What IS nice to see is that retailers going into Q4 are already giving the nod to Blu with more shelf space, end-caps and displays. We have the price drop onthe PS3 as well as the 40gb unit. Then we have week after week of great movie releases. The momentum is def on our side.

Coexist cannot be an option, it is causing consumer confusion and holding HDM back.

samcan07 · 10-24-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ground chuck

look back at beta vs vhs, one won and one eventually disappeared. coexistence will only occur for a short period of time initially.

Agreed!!!

Mikeblu · 10-24-2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Go Blu

What IS nice to see is that retailers going into Q4 are already giving the nod to Blu with more shelf space, end-caps and displays. We have the price drop onthe PS3 as well as the 40gb unit. Then we have week after week of great movie releases. The momentum is def on our side.

Coexist cannot be an option, it is causing consumer confusion and holding HDM back.

completely agree

oscar_in_fw · 10-24-2007, 02:02 PM

Co-existence is not an option. HD DVD MUST die. Re: storage capacity/bandwidth limitations adversely impacting PQ/SQ (e.g. "Transformers" lack of lossless audio).

I think the B&M stores are going to pressure the studios to pick sides. Dual inventory is non-optimal from their POV.

Of course, my opinion doesn't count for a whole lot in the movie industry.

Xerious · 10-24-2007, 02:03 PM

coexistance = disasterous for both formats

joeorc · 10-24-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BluOgre

Yep, if Universal and Paramount don't eventually make Bluray the highdef format will become a niche product much like laserdisc.

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no that would Be HD DVD getting absorbed into Blu-Ray..the fact that Blu-Ray is already has a use outside of Just Movies it is HD DVD that will have no use and will be a niche market unless they branch off HD DVD into other Markets that is what will happen to HD DVD not Blu-Ray

Mikeblu · 10-24-2007, 02:19 PM

yer i know someone with a blu ray drive and it works fantasticly at storing data

Branden · 10-24-2007, 02:42 PM

mass-adoption and coexistance don't go together.
mass-adopted mediums we all enjoy (CD, DVD, etc) have no competition.
coexisting mediums (SACD & DVDA, etc) both fail and remain niche formats.

coexisting HD formats = SD remains king.

also sorry, couldn't help but notice you're on a real thread starting streak this morning.

haushausman · 10-24-2007, 02:44 PM

the fact that blu-ray is the next frontier with media recording will seal HD-DVDs fate. blu-ray will be the new CD-R, forever ending HD-DVD.

Mikeblu · 10-24-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Branden

also sorry, couldn't help but notice you're on a real thread starting streak this morning.

well iv been coming to this site for quite a long time (since i got my ps3 in march) and iv only just sighned up so i've got alot of thread ideas

Go Blu · 10-24-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeblu

well iv been coming to this site for quite a long time (since i got my ps3 in march) and iv only just sighned up so i've got alot of thread ideas

Nothing wrong with that. All Blu supporters welcome here.

Thank you for sharing your ideas and your Blu-ray support.

10-24-2007, 11:39 AM	#1
Mikeblu Special Member Member since:Oct 2007 Trading Score:1	Coexistance while looking on the threads i notice someone saying that we might haveto coexist with hd-dvd (although i think that couldn't happen ever seen as were winning) but what would you views be if they did have to coexist, personally i would be really pissed off. nobody call me a troll as im just wondering about peoples opinions

10-24-2007, 02:42 PM	#17
Branden Senior Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Calgary, Alberta 4K collection:28 Blu-ray collection:558	mass-adoption and coexistance don't go together. mass-adopted mediums we all enjoy (CD, DVD, etc) have no competition. coexisting mediums (SACD & DVDA, etc) both fail and remain niche formats. coexisting HD formats = SD remains king. also sorry, couldn't help but notice you're on a real thread starting streak this morning. Last edited by Branden; 10-24-2007 at 02:44 PM.

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Go Blu Special Member Member since:Feb 2007	What IS nice to see is that retailers going into Q4 are already giving the nod to Blu with more shelf space, end-caps and displays. We have the price drop onthe PS3 as well as the 40gb unit. Then we have week after week of great movie releases. The momentum is def on our side. Coexist cannot be an option, it is causing consumer confusion and holding HDM back.

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oscar_in_fw Member Member since:Sep 2007	Co-existence is not an option. HD DVD MUST die. Re: storage capacity/bandwidth limitations adversely impacting PQ/SQ (e.g. "Transformers" lack of lossless audio). I think the B&M stores are going to pressure the studios to pick sides. Dual inventory is non-optimal from their POV. Of course, my opinion doesn't count for a whole lot in the movie industry.

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Mikeblu Special Member Member since:Oct 2007 Trading Score:1	yer i know someone with a blu ray drive and it works fantasticly at storing data

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