is plasma a bad long term decision

[1lakerfan]

I heard that as the tv gets older it loses color and brightness. I was thinking of getting a plasma and the more I read into it Im thinking I should stick with lcd more and more considering lcd is getting better and better (120hz) and blacks starting to look alot better (not quite as plasma but getting there)

[BorrowedTime]

Originally Posted by 1lakerfan

I heard that as the tv gets older it loses color and brightness. I was thinking of getting a plasma and the more I read into it Im thinking I should stick with lcd more and more considering lcd is getting better and better (120hz) and blacks starting to look alot better (not quite as plasma but getting there)

A plasma will lose brightness over time, I assume colour as well. However, so will LCDs. The vast majority of LCD and Plasma TVs are rated to last 60000 hours before Half Brightness (20 years at 8 hours per day). The new Panasonic Plasmas are rated for 100000 hours before Half Brightness (34 years at 8 hours per day). ALL TVs lose brightness and colour over time.

[Ranger-R]

Ha, if your planning on keeping that tv as your main tv as long as its rated. I didn't know thats how many hours they were rated. Good to know.

[mlomeli]

No TV I will ever own will be my main TV for more than 30 years, let alone 20. I wouldn't worry to much about fading. Just worry about the brackets to hang the darn thing...your 20 year TV just turned into 3 days

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by 1lakerfan

I heard that as the tv gets older it loses color and brightness. I was thinking of getting a plasma and the more I read into it Im thinking I should stick with lcd more and more considering lcd is getting better and better (120hz) and blacks starting to look alot better (not quite as plasma but getting there)

Plasma is the #1 display technology.
Here's the last shootout from home theater mag:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/lcds/208hdface/

They tested seven sets including LCD, LED, DLP, plasma and LCoS.

Plasma won hands down from all judges, the only thing they couldn't agree on was which one was better the Panasonic or the Pioneer, but they all chose plasma.

Unless you're planning to set up your television in a greenhouse, there's very little reason to not choose plasma.

[andyn1080]

when you think about hours then realize the set will last and look new for 20yrs or even 15 thats good i mean think about it how many of you own a tv that youve had for 15-20yrs? might or might not work right?.......but a few years ago you bought that nice new hdtv set........now think about 20yrs from now........we will be buying ultra hd sets. so as long as its 1080p and will last for 15-20yrs what else do you really want?

[elwaylite]

All the answers are good, there really is not a worry with a plasma.

I only keep a tv 3-4 years anyways

[dobyblue]

Also, keep in mind those sets are tested with a 100% white signal at full contrast and brightness to get those hours, so with normal viewing conditions they'll last even longer, unless you're using it as an overhead light in your kitchen of course, in which case you'll want a 100% white signal at full contrast and brightness.

[elwaylite]

I did not know that, interesting.

[ground chuck]

Originally Posted by BorrowedTime

A plasma will lose brightness over time, I assume colour as well. However, so will LCDs. The vast majority of LCD and Plasma TVs are rated to last 60000 hours before Half Brightness (20 years at 8 hours per day). The new Panasonic Plasmas are rated for 100000 hours before Half Brightness (34 years at 8 hours per day). ALL TVs lose brightness and colour over time.

there will be a lot of new technology that you'll want to get between now and 34 years down the road......

[PNF]

I will second that.

I mean, Looking at my mom's 1990 dorm 21" tube tv... its only half of that 34 years and its a piece of junk already....the color is ok, the brightness is ok. it works with a converter box... but its huge and heavy for a 21".

So... I suspect the majority of population would keep a TV for "Main use" for over 20 years.

I know I would not, but maybe I will move my 52 to my BR in the future in 10 years? or maybe just give it to my future kid in his bedroom 15 years from today.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Plasma is the #1 display technology.
Here's the last shootout from home theater mag:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/lcds/208hdface/

They tested seven sets including LCD, LED, DLP, plasma and LCoS.

Plasma won hands down from all judges, the only thing they couldn't agree on was which one was better the Panasonic or the Pioneer, but they all chose plasma.

Unless you're planning to set up your television in a greenhouse, there's very little reason to not choose plasma.

I need to ask you a favor and please don't take this the wrong way.

Take this from an "angest ridden" fence sitter.

I've seen you single out this and HD Guru Meyerson and the link to his 46xbr4 review as pretty much the only two sources on this subject, at least recently.

As you go along here, would you mind adding and including other sources? I know you and some others are really big on plasma, and I appreciate where you're coming from, but like anything else: The more sources, the merrier.

[dobyblue]

You can find similar opinions pretty much everywhere you look.
Even the LCD TV buying guide gives most categories to plasma and while I disagree with some of the points, including the fact that the end result is a "toss up" it's still worth mentioning.

http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv-plasmavslcd.shtml

In addition to the Merson review and the shoot-out, there was the Pioneer vs. Samsung LED article:

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/fea...-round-ii.html

Al Griffin, Technical Editor
The Samsung set delivered the deepest shadows of any LCD I've tested. It's just that the Pioneer's blacks were appreciably deeper. In fact, the Pioneer's all-around knockout performance found us nodding to each other in the darkened room, uttering "Kuro" in hushed, reverent tones. Samsung has dramatically raised the bar for LCD TV performance, but the technology still has further to go.

Michael Trei, Contributing Technical Editor
While I clearly preferred the image the plasma could deliver in our light-controlled video lab, the LCD's added punch would probably be a plus in a room with a lot of light — that is, if the TV's shiny reflective screen surface weren't such a problem. Add it all up, and there's no question that plasma won the day.

Rob Sabin, Executive Editor
As you've read, by the end of our several hours of evaluation, Al, Mike, and I all agreed that the plasma handily beat the LCD — especially in the key area of contrast. I'd also have to agree that LCD as a technology has plenty more growing to do, and hasn't yet shown us the best of what it's got.

Or the original shoot-out

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/fea...ma-vs-lcd.html



That's Samsung plasma vs. Sharp LCD.

The question of plasma or LCD's supremacy is one a lot of people are pondering these days as they look for a flat alternative to bulky TVs. Our test pitted only a single representative of each technology against each other, but the TVs we chose are prime examples of the models you'll find in stores. In this bout, plasma edged out LCD in overall video performance. It rated distinctly higher on Picture Uniformity and Color, but only slightly higher on Picture Detail and Contrast. Yet LCD won the round on Daylight Viewing.

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

All the answers are good, there really is not a worry with a plasma.

I only keep a tv 3-4 years anyways

I kept my last T.V. for 5 years (wow that was a long time) then gave it away to a buddy who is still using it...... but I don't think now, with the advances in technology..... I'll ever keep another T.V. for mor than 3-4 years.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

You can find similar opinions pretty much everywhere you look.
Even the LCD TV buying guide gives most categories to plasma and while I disagree with some of the points, including the fact that the end result is a "toss up" it's still worth mentioning.

http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv-plasmavslcd.shtml

Mind me asking what you disagree with and why?

In addition to the Merson review and the shoot-out, there was the Pioneer vs. Samsung LED article:

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/fea...-round-ii.html





Or the original shoot-out

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/fea...ma-vs-lcd.html



That's Samsung plasma vs. Sharp LCD.

^^ Good stuff.

All this begs the question, then, back to a chat you and I were having in another thread.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=40042&page=5
re: post 91 by you

Originally Posted by dobyblue

With sizes getting down to 19" and under, no doubt they are substantially greater than plasma; 2007 saw LCD overtaking CRT globally.

LCD - 47%
CRT - 46%
Plasma/RP - 7%

Compare the 42" and up sizes only and it would be a lot closer. But SONY is still #1 (19.5% of global LCD market Q4/07) and with SONY and Toshiba both gearing up for a massive OLED push, that should ring warning bells in long-term outlooks.

Going by your own worldwide sales figures you cited from display search or whatever that source was...RPTV and plasma SHARE a 7 percent global sales figure. That's terrible. We're already seeing what's happening to RPTV. It's about done for.

If plasma is the number one display technology, as you say...then how's come it's performing so miserably in sales? It can't all be because "people want brighter picture and are fooled by it" like I've seen some people argue.

And even if we take out below 40 inch screens since plasma doesn't go any lower than that...I have to believe based on my research that there's still a signifigant gulf in sales between LCD vs. plasma.

I'm trying to find those figures. Take out the sub 40 inch market and what does it look like: LCD vs. plasma sales?

So I ask you: Why is that?


re: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=40042&page=5

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

I believe LCD will go the way of the dodo before plasma does; OLED will see to that in time.

I just don't see it at all.

This is what I meant when I said to you before in the other thread: It paints an overall, big picture, of LCD "winning" this front and I really don't know how you believe plasma will take out LCD in the next couple of years.

The numbers just don't say that at all. If plasma really was the best, it just isn't translating to sales at all, even if you take out the below 40 inch market.

These are all the kinds of things that fence sitters like me take into consideration.

Thanks for the links.

[TIki_Guy]

Sony is nearly if not all LCD now and that's a big chunk of the market. LCD seems to be selling much better than Plasma.

I have both Plasma & LCD, and my Plasma is 100 times better then my LCD.
But that's not at all a fair comparason. Because I have a good plasma (Panasonic) and a Crappy LCD (Akai).

I've had a number of people tell me that Plasma isn't the way to go, but these are not informed people. I had one woman at work telling someone that her's kids teacher said that Plasma's only last 4 years.

So many of the arguments against both no longer apply, like viewing angle, you can look at a Bravia LCD while it's almost compleatly sideways. My VAIO laptop 7 years ago, you couldn't watch a DVD with someone unless one of you was sitting on the others lap.

The Gap is becomming narrow.

I still think that today Plasma is better then LCD, however that may change.

LCD may take less energy, and may be better for reading text, and may never get screen burn, which could but probibly won't happen with Plasma.

I also think that LCD TVs weigh much less and are probibly thinner than the Plasma ones. People like thin & light, people also like the look of LCD with the bright floressent lighting of most stores

If after even 5 years a $2,000 tv breaks that is still under $1.25 a day! You could do worse!

I say go with Plasma if you like it, but if you find a good deal on an LCD don't let anyone tell you it was the wrong thing to buy.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by TIki_Guy

Sony is nearly if not all LCD now and that's a big chunk of the market. LCD seems to be selling much better than Plasma.

I have both Plasma & LCD, and my Plasma is 100 times better then my LCD.
But that's not at all a fair comparason. Because I have a good plasma (Panasonic) and a Crappy LCD (Akai).

I've had a number of people tell me that Plasma isn't the way to go, but these are not informed people. I had one woman at work telling someone that her's kids teacher said that Plasma's only last 4 years.

So many of the arguments against both no longer apply, like viewing angle, you can look at a Bravia LCD while it's almost compleatly sideways. My VAIO laptop 7 years ago, you couldn't watch a DVD with someone unless one of you was sitting on the others lap.

The Gap is becomming narrow.

I still think that today Plasma is better then LCD, however that may change.

LCD may take less energy, and may be better for reading text, and may never get screen burn, which could but probibly won't happen with Plasma.

I also think that LCD TVs weigh much less and are probibly thinner than the Plasma ones. People like thin & light, people also like the look of LCD with the bright floressent lighting of most stores

If after even 5 years a $2,000 tv breaks that is still under $1.25 a day! You could do worse!

I say go with Plasma if you like it, but if you find a good deal on an LCD don't let anyone tell you it was the wrong thing to buy.

I'm on the fence and at this point open to all alternatives.

[dobyblue]

The next generation of plasmas from Panasonic (and probably Pioneer as well) will drop energy consumption by 50%.

Also, if you look at average material and not a 100% white screen, the energy consumption is pretty much a wash.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

The next generation of plasmas from Panasonic (and probably Pioneer as well) will drop energy consumption by 50%.

Also, if you look at average material and not a 100% white screen, the energy consumption is pretty much a wash.

That's good!

[T-Town Oil]

the only shitty things about my plasma is that 60" seems small now that ive gottwn used to it. i need bigger