BD+ Titles Coming Soon [Blu-ray.com]

[Josh]

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=135

[Scorxpion]

Finally a real good news for BD.

[stevei]

I don't understand why this is good news. DVD copy protection was broken a long time ago, yet the format has been very successful. All we can say so far is that formats that are easily copied appear to be more successful in the marketplace. I'm not suggesting this is necessarily cause and effect, but there is a strong correlation between the two factors, with both CDs and DVDs being easily copied, and CDs having seen off the challenge of minidisc, DVD Audio and SACD which were less easily copied.

If this stops people from playing back legally purchased blu-ray discs on their PCs, for example (because they haven't got HDCP displays), surely it will just cause people to buy hd-dvds instead which they can play back with suitable software to break the encryption?

[javayoda]

It means if BD+ works to slow theft studios will be more willing to release titles on BD - perhaps even a studio like Universal. HD-DVD has no such safeguard.

[TBoneCapone]

Originally Posted by javayoda

It means if BD+ works to slow theft studios will be more willing to release titles on BD - perhaps even a studio like Universal. HD-DVD has no such safeguard.

Good call.....let's hope Universal opens it's eyes.

[Red_Son07]

This is a good thing it means that FOX will start to pump out some Blu-Ray titles....

[jorg]

Originally Posted by stevei

I don't understand why this is good news. DVD copy protection was broken a long time ago, yet the format has been very successful. All we can say so far is that formats that are easily copied appear to be more successful in the marketplace. I'm not suggesting this is necessarily cause and effect, but there is a strong correlation between the two factors, with both CDs and DVDs being easily copied, and CDs having seen off the challenge of minidisc, DVD Audio and SACD which were less easily copied.

If this stops people from playing back legally purchased blu-ray discs on their PCs, for example (because they haven't got HDCP displays), surely it will just cause people to buy hd-dvds instead which they can play back with suitable software to break the encryption?

in general this is bad for the format actruly because there will be less cheap(pirate) copies to go around. but in short teram this might sway a netrual company to go exclusive of blu-ray meaning even less movies for hd dvd

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by stevei

I don't understand why this is good news. DVD copy protection was broken a long time ago, yet the format has been very successful. All we can say so far is that formats that are easily copied appear to be more successful in the marketplace. I'm not suggesting this is necessarily cause and effect, but there is a strong correlation between the two factors, with both CDs and DVDs being easily copied, and CDs having seen off the challenge of minidisc, DVD Audio and SACD which were less easily copied.

SACD and DVD-A didn't gain mass acceptance so there's no point in attempting to break their copy protection. And for the record, their encryption still stands.

According to your logic, a format is successful if it can be copied. Somewhat true in that it drives hardware adoption. But content owners are not going to be very happy about piracy.

What is needed is for both hardware and software owners AND consumers to be happy about the format.

If this stops people from playing back legally purchased blu-ray discs on their PCs, for example (because they haven't got HDCP displays), surely it will just cause people to buy hd-dvds instead which they can play back with suitable software to break the encryption?

The HDCP conundrum exists now. There's no way to get around it as the ship has sailed. It really is up to the monitor and graphics card manufacturers to make these products compliant. HD-DVD drives have the same problem with HDCP.

If you can't play your legally purchased BD discs because your hardware was hacked for copy encryption, then the blame is one you.

Since HD-DVD has only AACS, the HD-DVD content owners - so far Warner, Paramount, Universal, Weinstein and Canal + for Europe - is going to get really frustrated really fast if their discs are selling, not because HD-DVD is the better format but because 24 hours later that content will be online.


fuad

[HDTV1080P]

I agree this is good news for Blu-ray. If in reality BD+ stops all or most piracy then Universal Studios and other studios might decide to release only in Blu-ray to make sure their movies are not being downloaded for free.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

BD+ was sounding lovely until I read that it adds 7 to 28 days to production times. That's crazy! That means unless they use MPEG-2 for titles it could take a month and a half to release a title! That means about half the titles currently being released per year. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't sit well with me.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

BD+ was sounding lovely until I read that it adds 7 to 28 days to production times. That's crazy! That means unless they use MPEG-2 for titles it could take a month and a half to release a title! That means about half the titles currently being released per year. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't sit well with me.

If it really takes that long then over time production times should improve. Of course Sony studios for their releases can delay the DVD release to the same day as BLU-RAY and no one will know of any delay if Sony pictures releases both DVD and BLU-RAY on the same day.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

BD+ was sounding lovely until I read that it adds 7 to 28 days to production times. That's crazy! That means unless they use MPEG-2 for titles it could take a month and a half to release a title! That means about half the titles currently being released per year. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't sit well with me.

Where did you read that? It seems excessive.

Gary

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

BD+ was sounding lovely until I read that it adds 7 to 28 days to production times. That's crazy!

That just means release schedules will have to be revised, that's all. So instead of replication starting say on July 1st, to meet the deadline they have to start say 14 days before. It's just a matter of adjusting.


fuad

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

BD+ was sounding lovely until I read that it adds 7 to 28 days to production times. That's crazy! That means unless they use MPEG-2 for titles it could take a month and a half to release a title! That means about half the titles currently being released per year. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't sit well with me.

I read the referenced article, and it still makes no sense that this would add 7 to 28 days to the production of the master.

While I've never looked into BD+ and all that it entails, I've dealt with encryption technologies for the past 30+ years -- including DoD and NSA ecryption techniques. None of them, even the most robust NSA techniques, take days to encrypt the information. It rarely takes more than twice the streaming time of the information involved. I've never -- never -- seen encryption take 80+ (7 days) times the duration of the original information.

There must be something else at play here in order for this timeline (7 to 28 days) to be real. It can't be just the encryption and key generation.