Need help deciding on a sub

[Dust]

I just upgraded my HT sound system (see signature). I love the Mirage speakers, but I'm not totally sold on the sub. I prefer a tight sub, something that you feel inside your chest, but not boomey.

I've been looking at a Definitive Technologies Supercube I, but have also been reading about the Elemental Designs subs.

My room is rather large; about 25x20 with vaulted ceiling. Again, I like a nice tight base.

For the ED, I'm looking at the A2-300, A3-300, and the A5-350.

I'm looking to spend up to $750. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

[ixlegitballinxl]

av123's MFW 15 or HSU for up to $750

[Big Daddy]

Subwoofer Manufacturers: A Complete List. This link has the majority of home subwoofer manufacturers listed.

Also look at the offerings from Hsu Research, Martin Logan, Axiom, AV123, Earthquake, Cadence, Epik, Pinnacle, Aperion, etc., etc., etc. You can't go wrong with any of the mentioned subwoofers.

[Driver_King]

Are dual A2-300's out of the question?

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by Driver_King

Are dual A2-300's out of the question?

He said in the original post that he is looking at A2-300's.

[JasonR]

In that price range, the AV123 MFW-15 is hard to beat.

http://av123.com/component/page,shop...art/Itemid,37/

[JJ]

Oh geez. With that price? The Av123 MFW-15 is your BEST choice. Bar none, but this is just JJs opinion.

[Driver_King]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

He said in the original post that he is looking at A2-300's.

Nothing about two of them though.

Originally Posted by JasonR

In that price range, the AV123 MFW-15 is hard to beat.

http://av123.com/component/page,shop...art/Itemid,37/

True, but the real question would be is it comparable to dual A2-300's in a large room? Rather, would one "best" sub be as good as two "better" subs. (As in good, better, best)

[JasonR]

True. You can feel the low frequecies from one A2-300 outside of my house, I would hate to see what two could do.

I have a large living room as well, around 15x25, and I wouldn't want anymore territory taken up myself. One sub is big enough for the space, especially the AV123 and the eD...

[CasualKiller]

In that price range you can afford this bad boy:

http://www.monitoraudiousa.com/produ...duct=17&area=2

Dual EQ's, one for music, one that gives you a 4 db "boost" for explosions etc during home theater use.

I demo'd it for a guy from work, he almost wet his pants.

Best part of it is it has a very small footprint - 13 3/8 x 13 3/8 x 15 5/8 inch

[Big Daddy]

Two medium size subwoofers is better than one very large subwoofer. Using two subs is not about more SPL and shaking up the neighborhood, but rather it is about evening the effect of standing waves and more uniform bass across the room.

[Colglizity]

Well the SuperCubes are Awesome... My dad has the Supercube II and it still amazes me. However, if I had your budget, I would be going the Hsu route and would probably get this guy
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3-mk3.html

[JasonR]

True BigDaddy, but by adding a second woofer you are definitely going to add DBs right?

Again, the AV123 is one of the best in the market at its price range. If the wife will let you drag in two eDs, go for it...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...36#post9164136

Elemental Designs A7-900 ($2200 ID/SI): 116 points (63-53)
Epik Conquest ($1599 ID): 112 points (60-52)
SVS PB13-Ultra ($1499 ID): 109 points (57-52)
Epik Castle ($999 ID): 109 points (59-50)
AV123 MFW-15 Duals: 109 points (56-53) (note, duals were tested as duals are offered as a package)
Creative Sounds Dual SDX-15 driver + Behringer EP-2500 Amp + Behringer DEQ2496 ($1630 ID): 105 points (57-48)
JL Audio Fathom 113 ($3500 BM): 103 points (53-50)
AV123 MFW-15 ($599 ID): 103 points (53-50)
Def Tech Trinity ($3000 BM): 102 points (54-48)
Velodyne DD-18 ($5000 BM): 100 points (50-50)
ACI Maestro ($2400 ID): 97 points (47-50)
eD A5-350 ($715 ID/SI): 96 points (50-46)
JL Audio Fathom 112 ($2600 BM): 95 points (45-50)
Hsu VTF-3 HO + Turbo ($999 ID): 94 points (47-47)
Hsu VTF-3 HO w/o Turbo ($899 ID): 92 points (45-47)
Hsu VTF-3 Mark III + Turbo ($799 ID): 92 points (45-47)
VMPS VSS ($1650 BM and ID): 92 points (45-47)
Epik Valor ($549 ID): 91 points (44-47)
Hsu VTF-3 Mark III w/o Turbo ($699 ID): 91 points (45-46)
SVS PB12-Ultra: 90 points (47-43)
Axiom EP-500 ($1230 ID/SI): 90 points (43-47)
Hsu VTF-2 Mark III + Turbo ($599 ID): 88 points (42-46)
SVS PB12-Plus/2 ($1299 ID): 87 points (47-40)
SVS PB12-NSD ($599 ID): 86 points (43-43)
Hsu VTF-2 Mark III w/o Turbo ($499 ID): 86 points (40-46)
Rocket UFW-12 ($999 ID): 85 points (provisional) (35-50)
Elemental Designs A2-300 ($350 ID/SI): 83 points (44-39)
SVS PB10-NSD ($429 ID): 83 points (43-40)
Dana Audio 600 ($869 ID): 83 points (36-47)
Rocket X-Sub ($199 ID): 78 points (34-44)
BIC H-100 ($229 eBay): 78 points (40-38)
Rocket Tyke: 60 points (If you care, PM me ... )

[Big Daddy]

^^^True, but more DBs will be output right?

Yes and no. Initially, you will get more DB, but once you calibrate your audio, the DB level from the subs should be the same. However, it will be more even across the room. With one sub, you can get the same DB level. However, it will be useful for only one person. Two or four subs give great bass response across the room for multiple seating positions.

[Big Daddy]

Instead of two EDs, perhaps two gentler subwoofers that have greater WAF.

[JasonR]

No subwoofer has a good WAF, you should know that!!!

[CasualKiller]

Not to stir the pot but those "rankings" you posted are 2 years old. And as for the 2 medium subs over 1 large I disagree, 1 GOOD sub with controlled, detailed low freq over 2 subs or 1 large.

Contrary to popular belief all low freq is not created equal.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by JasonR

No subwoofer has a good WAF, you should know that!!!

Errr, I BEG to differ, (points to his own sub)

But, lol, imagine explaining to your wife why you bought a new Hummer and parked it next to the couch. Then imagine explaining a pair!

[JasonR]

Originally Posted by CasualKiller

Not to stir the pot but those "rankings" you posted are 2 years old. And as for the 2 medium subs over 1 large I disagree, 1 GOOD sub with controlled, detailed low freq over 2 subs or 1 large.

Contrary to popular belief all low freq is not created equal.

I still think those "rankings" I posted stand pretty firm. There might be somthing close, but I doubt in that price range.

[JasonR]

Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

Errr, I BEG to differ, (points to his own sub)

But, lol, imagine explaining to your wife why you bought a new Hummer and parked it next to the couch. Then imagine explaining a pair!

JJ,

Get a wife, and then point to your sub, and then see what she says...

Trust me, all subs are too big for a wife.