Sony Blu-Ray player's little trick.

[HighTechJunkie]

Hey all, I just finished hooking up my Sony BDP-S350...after like 2 hours. What stumped me was the 1080p 60p or 24p setting that I knew nothing about when I bought the player. I have a 40", 1080p Samsung that is about two years old and didn't know what level of 1080p signal it could take nonethless knowing about this particular feature/capability on high-def tv's to begin with. How would I have known what signal my tv was capable of? I just thought that 1080p was 1080p and there weren't different levels of 1080p. I was driving me nuts because the little 24p light on the player would come on and nothing would happen. After some tinkering in the settings I figured it out but it was very frustrating to say the least. Now my player is displaying everything @ 1080p 60p and looks incredible.

I just want to make sure that my player is putting out the best possible picture to my tv. I am currently using a Monster cable with a 10.4 gigabit rating. I see that HDMI cables can have tons of different "speed" ratings. What's the difference in speed vs. performance? And can't all HDMI cables work with a Blu-Ray player? Any advice, hints or similar experiences anyone has had would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[reiella]

Originally Posted by HighTechJunkie

Hey all, I just finished hooking up my Sony BDP-S350...after like 2 hours. What stumped me was the 1080p 60p or 24p setting that I knew nothing about when I bought the player. I have a 40", 1080p Samsung that is about two years old and didn't know what level of 1080p signal it could take nonethless knowing about this particular feature/capability on high-def tv's to begin with. How would I have known what signal my tv was capable of? I just thought that 1080p was 1080p and there weren't different levels of 1080p. I was driving me nuts because the little 24p light on the player would come on and nothing would happen. After some tinkering in the settings I figured it out but it was very frustrating to say the least. Now my player is displaying everything @ 1080p 60p and looks incredible.

I just want to make sure that my player is putting out the best possible picture to my tv. I am currently using a Monster cable with a 10.4 gigabit rating. I see that HDMI cables can have tons of different "speed" ratings. What's the difference in speed vs. performance? And can't all HDMI cables work with a Blu-Ray player? Any advice, hints or similar experiences anyone has had would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

HDMI speed rating is important, but larger not to the end consumer. What is important is what grade HDMI it's certified [HDMI 1.3, yada yada]. Largely just you want to find out what the lowest common denominator between your system is and aim for those cables. Although really the price difference if you aren't shopping at Monster is such that you can prolly go with getting the 1.3 cables so you have some growth room for future components that may utilize that extra bandwidth.

You'll hear alot of folks have strong opinions on the effect of 'premium' digital cables, best to make your own decision, also though it's important that you realize what type of visual errors you get if the cable fails [they are very different errors ].

[HighTechJunkie]

Hey Reiella, could you address the other questions in my post when you have a few minutes?

[4K2K]

When you play a film Blu-ray on your player with it set to 1080p24 do you not get a picture on your HDTV? What model is your HDTV? Chances are, if it's 2 years or more old, I'm guessing it probably won't be compatible with 1080p24 (most of the LCDs that are compatible are described as 120Hz models in the US), so you'll just have to output it at 1080p60 (or 1080i60, etc.).

The difference is, a TV that is compatible with 1080p24 won't have 3:2 (or 2:3) pull-down judder when watching most films.

I wouldn't really worry too about the speed rating of your HDMI cable, unless you're getting lots of blocking or other picture issues on your HDTV. Chances are most HDMI cables will be okay, especially over short distances.

[HighTechJunkie]

You answered my question perfectly. I'm not at home today so I can't get the model number of my tv but it is definitely at least two years old. So basically only the newer LCd tv's with the 120hz feature are compatible?

[4K2K]

Originally Posted by HighTechJunkie

You answered my question perfectly. I'm not at home today so I can't get the model number of my tv but it is definitely at least two years old. So basically only the newer LCd tv's with the 120hz feature are compatible?

For US LCDs, yes I believe so. Unless, I'm mistaken, only the ones described as 120Hz models (or 240Hz too) are able to receive a 24fps signal and output at a 24fps multiple. You don't need to use their "120Hz motion plus" feature for this - you would turn that off if you wanted the true 24fps look.

There are other types of display in the US (ie. not LCD HDTVs) that aren't described as 120Hz that can accept and display a 24fps signal. I think there's a list of them somewhere on the board. I think some output the signal at 48Hz or 72Hz or something like that. But if the TV you have is an LCD and you're in the US, and your TV wasn't described as a "120Hz" (or 240Hz) model I don't think it will be able to receive and display a proper 24fps signal properly - unless I'm mistaken. You'd have to use the 60p (or 60i) output option the player.

[Diesel]

u say u have a samsung?
there may be a firmware update for your tv to enable 24fps

i have a samsung that didnt support 24fps and i performed a firmware update and it enabled the 24fps and 1:1 pixel mapping abilities to my television

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by 4K2K

When you play a film Blu-ray on your player with it set to 1080p24 do you not get a picture on your HDTV? What model is your HDTV? Chances are, if it's 2 years or more old, I'm guessing it probably won't be compatible with 1080p24 (most of the LCDs that are compatible are described as 120Hz models in the US), so you'll just have to output it at 1080p60 (or 1080i60, etc.).

The difference is, a TV that is compatible with 1080p24 won't have 3:2 (or 2:3) pull-down judder when watching most films.

I wouldn't really worry too about the speed rating of your HDMI cable, unless you're getting lots of blocking or other picture issues on your HDTV. Chances are most HDMI cables will be okay, especially over short distances.

Almost but not quite right. Both 2:3 (or 3:2) pulldown (60 HZ NTSC countries) and 5:5 pulldown (120 HZ NTSC countries) are compatible LCD TV 1080p24 displays. If you send a 1080p24 output to your 1080p LCD TV and you see a picture, then it's compatible or if you don't see a picture then of course it isn't compatible. The 60 HZ TV will have a little bit of judder or jerkiness but it's very subtle. I have compared 3:2 pulldown compatible TV with 5:5 pulldown compatible TVs. It is hard for me to tell the difference. When there is a slow moving object panning across the field, then it is easier to see the difference but it is still slight. But after watching a movie even with 3:2 pulldown from your BD player and then turn off the 24p output, the 1080p60 that is then output to your TV will look noticeably different and not like film any more but more like a TV broadcast.

So if your TV can display the 2:3 (3:2) or 5:5 pulldown, I would recommend watching BDs with 1080p24 output rather than 1080p60 (24p output turned off) because it will look more like theater cinema.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

Almost but not quite right. Both 2:3 (or 3:2) pulldown (60 HZ NTSC countries) and 5:5 pulldown (120 HZ NTSC countries) are compatible LCD TV 1080p24 displays. If you send a 1080p24 output to your 1080p LCD TV and you see a picture, then it's compatible or if you don't see a picture then of course it isn't compatible. The 60 HZ TV will have a little bit of judder or jerkiness but it's very subtle. I have compared 3:2 pulldown compatible TV with 5:5 pulldown compatible TVs. It is hard for me to tell the difference. When there is a slow moving object panning across the field, then it is easier to see the difference but it is still slight. But after watching a movie even with 3:2 pulldown from your BD player and then turn off the 24p output, the 1080p60 that is then output to your TV will look noticeably different and not like film any more but more like a TV broadcast.

So if your TV can display the 2:3 (3:2) or 5:5 pulldown, I would recommend watching BDs with 1080p24 output rather than 1080p60 (24p output turned off) because it will look more like theater cinema.

That exactly what happens to me when i turn on 24p on my ps3, its very noticeble. i cant watch it like that.