Under Seige appears grainy in various parts - Blu-ray Forum

huynhvx · 04-08-2009, 01:25 AM

I just got Steven Segal's "Under Seige" BD movie. Various parts of the movie appear to be grainy. In particular, the scene where the band is playing in the mess deck and Commander Krill is in the dress getting ready to go see the Captain.

Anyone have this movie and does it appear to be grainy? This is the second one I got from Amazon and they both look grainy at the same spot.

Vinh H

J6P · 04-08-2009, 01:31 AM

No need to return your movies due to grain. If you are seeing grain, it is in the movie, which has been carried over faithfully to the Blu, and the director intends for you to see it.

Sit back and enjoy the show!

KenThompson · 04-08-2009, 03:57 AM

Its just not the greatest transfer out there. I didn't think there was alot of an upgrade from dvd.

crazyBLUE · 04-08-2009, 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by huynhvx

I just got Steven Segal's "Under Seige" BD movie. Various parts of the movie appear to be grainy. In particular, the scene where the band is playing in the mess deck and Commander Krill is in the dress getting ready to go see the Captain.

Anyone have this movie and does it appear to be grainy? This is the second one I got from Amazon and they both look grainy at the same spot.

Vinh H

You will find some Blu's to be this way in parts of the movie ! older films can be this way !!!

huynhvx · 04-08-2009, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J6P

No need to return your movies due to grain. If you are seeing grain, it is in the movie, which has been carried over faithfully to the Blu, and the director intends for you to see it.

Sit back and enjoy the show!

Why would the director intend to show the grain?
Why would most of the movie be clear and just grainy in some spots?

It would make sense if it's grainy throughout.

MOONPHASE · 04-08-2009, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by huynhvx

Why would the director intend to show the grain?
Why would most of the movie be clear and just grainy in some spots?

It would make sense if it's grainy throughout.

Some directors put grain in movies where they think its the most appropiate

Batman1980 · 04-08-2009, 05:52 AM

Some directors like to use grain in their movie to give it more of a rough look. Not sure why the grain would come and go though, that IS weird.

wormraper · 04-08-2009, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by huynhvx

Why would the director intend to show the grain?
Why would most of the movie be clear and just grainy in some spots?

It would make sense if it's grainy throughout.

many movies are actually shot with different film stocks for different scenses, also different lighting can affect how the grain is perceived on the movie as well. A movie won't look identical the whole time.

jadedeath · 04-08-2009, 06:02 AM

You must have picked up the "Now with more grain for TRUE fanboys of movies" edition.

Logan

Deciazulado · 04-08-2009, 02:14 PM

Do a search on the word grain.

RiseDarthVader · 04-08-2009, 02:20 PM

as wormraper said it depends on lighting conditions and film stock. and guy to this website to understand why grain is there. educate yourself so you wont be blindly bashing movies that have excellent transfers and duplicating the original grain. http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...ris062408.html

DavePS3 · 04-08-2009, 02:47 PM

In the old days, Director's used to 'cheapen out' on night or dimly lit shots by using a variety of measures. As an example, in many older films, they used day for night. Contrast was reduced considerably so they didn't have to light night scenes - or work at night. Nowadays, you'll find some films like Under Siege, to be grainy in darker scenes. That was usually because they didn't want to change the film stock they were using during day scenes, usually because of limited budgets. So, darker scenes had to have the apeture of the lens opened wider to allow more light in, creating a 'longer exposure' but in doing that, those darker scenes come off grainier. Still, Under Siege does look the best it has ever looked but you'll find the DVD had the same problem areas. It's that old AV saying... garbage in... garbage out.

Grain is as controversial as tinted films and while there are more reasons for grain in films like director's intent, it all comes down to budget or creative license. Film is an art form and you have to love it for what it is, not for what it isn't.

Stu123 · 04-08-2009, 02:50 PM

well my samsung tv has trouble with greys (battleship) i get greeny shadows

Another_Dude · 04-08-2009, 02:53 PM

Check out U2's Rattle and Hum, there's none of that nasty grain in that one.

Pelican170 · 04-08-2009, 03:07 PM

its probably the worst transfer ever!

ryoohki · 04-08-2009, 03:16 PM

Grain is not always Director Intent. Most of the time it goes with the Film Stock (cheap). Usually they don't use more than one ASA for low budget movies because it cost less. High ASA film show light grain in day sequence and high grain in dark sequence.

Sometime is because it different stock all together.

Shooting a film is not just pointing the camera a someone and pressing a button. There's tons of not controllable things and even more before digital era...

Clark Kent · 04-08-2009, 03:51 PM

Yes, there is visible grain in Under Siege on Blu-ray. In fact, the movie was very grainy when shown in theaters. The Blu-ray shows signs that some grain has actually been removed from the original image.

Lucy Diamond · 04-08-2009, 06:19 PM

OP...I get what you are saying, becuase the DvD kinda looks better than the Blu-ray.

Grain is not a bad thing though and is mostly the product of the mixture of lighting set and the f stop on the camera as well as the type of film used.

The only place I'd really COMPLAIN about grain in Under Seige is when Erika pops out of the cake. Of all the places to NOT have beautiful, lush, magestic film grain....THAT is the place.

jcorwin · 04-08-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by luckyali

Right on, When blu's are released they are tested for quality and whats in there is intended to be there, unless your tv/player is adding to the problem.

Not always...far from it really. The following releases come to mind:

Patton
Gangs of New York
The Longest Day
28 Days Later
The Dirty Dozen
U2: Rattle and Hum
The Fugitive
The Italian Job
Lethal Weapon
Lethal Weapon 2
Crash
and the list goes on and on and on...

J6P · 04-08-2009, 06:27 PM

Oooookay.... lots of unhelpful responses here.

The point is that the OP was returning movies to Amazon thinking that an exchanged copy would have less grain.

Whether you are a grain hater or a grain aficionado, I hope you can agree that grain never varies from disc to disc on the same encode. Honestly... the snarkiness on this site sometimes...

04-08-2009, 01:25 AM	#1
huynhvx New Member Member since:Sep 2008	Under Seige appears grainy in various parts I just got Steven Segal's "Under Seige" BD movie. Various parts of the movie appear to be grainy. In particular, the scene where the band is playing in the mess deck and Commander Krill is in the dress getting ready to go see the Captain. Anyone have this movie and does it appear to be grainy? This is the second one I got from Amazon and they both look grainy at the same spot. Vinh H

04-08-2009, 02:14 PM	#10
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1159 Blu-ray collection:7044 DVD collection:4040	Tale as old as time Do a search on the word grain.

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J6P Expert Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:117 Blu-ray collection:270	No need to return your movies due to grain. If you are seeing grain, it is in the movie, which has been carried over faithfully to the Blu, and the director intends for you to see it. Sit back and enjoy the show!

04-08-2009, 03:57 AM	#3
KenThompson Power Member Member since:Sep 2006 Location:B.C. Canada	Its just not the greatest transfer out there. I didn't think there was alot of an upgrade from dvd.

04-08-2009, 05:52 AM	#7
Batman1980 Blu-ray Jedi Member since:Feb 2009 Location:District 13 Home Theater Gallery:8 4K collection:146 Blu-ray collection:394 DVD collection:57 Blu-ray reviews:22 Trading Score:48	Some directors like to use grain in their movie to give it more of a rough look. Not sure why the grain would come and go though, that IS weird.

04-08-2009, 06:02 AM	#9
jadedeath Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2007	You must have picked up the "Now with more grain for TRUE fanboys of movies" edition. Logan

04-08-2009, 02:20 PM	#11
RiseDarthVader Power Member Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Australia Blu-ray collection:136	as wormraper said it depends on lighting conditions and film stock. and guy to this website to understand why grain is there. educate yourself so you wont be blindly bashing movies that have excellent transfers and duplicating the original grain. http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...ris062408.html

04-08-2009, 02:47 PM	#12
DavePS3 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Toronto Home Theater Gallery:56 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	In the old days, Director's used to 'cheapen out' on night or dimly lit shots by using a variety of measures. As an example, in many older films, they used day for night. Contrast was reduced considerably so they didn't have to light night scenes - or work at night. Nowadays, you'll find some films like Under Siege, to be grainy in darker scenes. That was usually because they didn't want to change the film stock they were using during day scenes, usually because of limited budgets. So, darker scenes had to have the apeture of the lens opened wider to allow more light in, creating a 'longer exposure' but in doing that, those darker scenes come off grainier. Still, Under Siege does look the best it has ever looked but you'll find the DVD had the same problem areas. It's that old AV saying... garbage in... garbage out. Grain is as controversial as tinted films and while there are more reasons for grain in films like director's intent, it all comes down to budget or creative license. Film is an art form and you have to love it for what it is, not for what it isn't.

04-08-2009, 02:50 PM	#13
Stu123 Power Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Hadley's Hope on LV-426 4K collection:260 Blu-ray collection:559 DVD collection:392 Trading Score:9	well my samsung tv has trouble with greys (battleship) i get greeny shadows

04-08-2009, 02:53 PM	#14
Another_Dude Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:191 Blu-ray reviews:8	Check out U2's Rattle and Hum, there's none of that nasty grain in that one.

04-08-2009, 03:07 PM	#15
Pelican170 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Newtown, CT 4K collection:127 Blu-ray collection:735 DVD collection:256 Trading Score:13	its probably the worst transfer ever!

04-08-2009, 03:16 PM	#16
ryoohki Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Home Theater Gallery:6 Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:5	Grain is not always Director Intent. Most of the time it goes with the Film Stock (cheap). Usually they don't use more than one ASA for low budget movies because it cost less. High ASA film show light grain in day sequence and high grain in dark sequence. Sometime is because it different stock all together. Shooting a film is not just pointing the camera a someone and pressing a button. There's tons of not controllable things and even more before digital era...

04-08-2009, 03:51 PM	#17
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	Yes, there is visible grain in Under Siege on Blu-ray. In fact, the movie was very grainy when shown in theaters. The Blu-ray shows signs that some grain has actually been removed from the original image.

04-08-2009, 06:19 PM	#18
Lucy Diamond Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2008 Location:The Tomb of Annihilation 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Digital collection:- Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:3	OP...I get what you are saying, becuase the DvD kinda looks better than the Blu-ray. Grain is not a bad thing though and is mostly the product of the mixture of lighting set and the f stop on the camera as well as the type of film used. The only place I'd really COMPLAIN about grain in Under Seige is when Erika pops out of the cake. Of all the places to NOT have beautiful, lush, magestic film grain....THAT is the place.

04-08-2009, 06:27 PM	#20
J6P Expert Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:117 Blu-ray collection:270	Oooookay.... lots of unhelpful responses here. The point is that the OP was returning movies to Amazon thinking that an exchanged copy would have less grain. Whether you are a grain hater or a grain aficionado, I hope you can agree that grain never varies from disc to disc on the same encode. Honestly... the snarkiness on this site sometimes...

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