Are you going to adapt to every new HD level? - Blu-ray Forum

andytoh · 06-07-2007, 11:26 PM

From VHS to DVD to blu-ray, each level separated about one decade apart. So I can't help but look into the future: one decade later, Quad HD 1440p will be consumer ready, another decade later Super HD, etc...

Because we are high definition fanatics, can I assume that we will all basically buy new TVs and disc players for each new HD level every decade (when the prices drop to reasonable levels)? Also, will you also buy the same favourite movies and TV series for each new HD generation disk format? For me, this would mean that by 2030, I will have (for example) Titanic in VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray, Quad Blu-Ray, Super Blu-Ray, etc... when all the older formats would be useless, and the same for my other favourite movies. That's a wasted wasted $100+ for each favourite movie, $1000+ for each favourite TV series, etc...

andytoh · 06-07-2007, 11:38 PM

After watching every episode of Star Trek on DVD, I'm now bored of it. If it came out on blu-ray now, I don't think I will buy the same collection, even though it is one of my favourite TV shows. However, 5 years later I may be in the mood to watch the whole thing again. Then I would be torn apart, deciding whether to watch it on the DVDs I already have but miss out on watching it on Blu-Ray, or spend $500 on the Blu-Ray version and then feel I wasted my $300 buying it on DVD in the first place. I feel the same way about my other favourite TV series, documentary series, and movies.

Banjo · 06-07-2007, 11:39 PM

Only if I think it's going somewhere.

I didn't bother with D-VHS because I knew it wouldn't last.

blitz6speed · 06-07-2007, 11:41 PM

I always believe in 1:1 pixel mapping for best visual performance. So unless theres a TON of content out for 1440p and 4k res systems, 1080p will be where i will stand for a long time.

andytoh · 06-07-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Only if I think it's going somewhere.

I'm not talking about a new format of the same high definition level, but a better high definition level altogether. Why would Quad HD not go anywhere in the future when its price drops to current HD prices?

Quote:

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

So unless theres a TON of content out for 1440p and 4k res systems, 1080p will be where i will stand for a long time.

So even when 1440p TVs cost only $1500 and 1440p blu-ray movies cost only $15 and TV broadcasts are in 1440p (in 2018 around), you won't adapt from 1080p to 1440p equipment?

Banjo · 06-07-2007, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by andytoh

After watching every episode of Three's Company on DVD, I'm now bored of it. If it came out on blu-ray now, I don't think I will buy the same collection, even though it is one of my favourite TV shows. However, 5 years later I may be in the mood to watch the whole thing again. Then I would be torn apart, deciding whether to watch it on the DVDs I already have but miss out on watching it on Blu-Ray, or spend $500 on the Blu-Ray version and then feel I wasted my $300 buying it on DVD in the first place. I feel the same way about my other favourite TV series, documentary series, and movies.

You wouldn't benefit from watching 'Three's Company' in HD because the master isn't in HD. Not every show is going to get the 'Star Trek' treatment.

I don't think a large number of TV shows from the 90s and the past decades will be coming to Blu-Ray in HD because most of them weren't mastered in HD.

MrBogey · 06-07-2007, 11:49 PM

When looking at a 40" plus size set HD is a clear difference. The higher resolutions above 1080p aren't going to be significantly different to 99 percent of the people though.

andytoh · 06-07-2007, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

You wouldn't benefit from watching 'Three's Company' in HD because the master isn't in HD. Not every show is going to get the 'Star Trek' treatment.

I don't think a large number of TV shows from the 90s and the past decades will be coming to Blu-Ray in HD because most of them weren't mastered in HD.

Ok, Three's Company is a bad example. So replace my discussion with Star Trek and Smallville, which I have all on DVD currently.

Banjo · 06-07-2007, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andytoh

I'm not talking about a new format of the same high definition level, but a better high definition level altogether. Why would Quad HD not go anywhere in the future when its price drops to current HD prices?

What are they going to watch in 1440p?

Blu-Ray and HD DVD will only go up to 1920x1080. Most HD channels are in 720p while some may be in 1080i. Both Xbox 360 and PS3 games can only go up to 720p or 1080p depending what they are set to.

So, I imagine the availability of materials in 1440p will be quite small.

We'll have to wait a tad longer than that to make a major change. 1080p is going to be around for a good while. People right now are already saying they're happy with the DVD. It's not easy to lure people into supporting a better format.

blitz6speed · 06-08-2007, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

What are they going to watch in 1440p?

Blu-Ray and HD DVD will only go up to 1920x1080. Most HD channels are in 720p while some may be in 1080i. Both Xbox 360 and PS3 games can only go up to 720p or 1080p depending what they are set to.

So, I imagine the availability of materials in 1440p will be quite small.

We'll have to wait a tad longer than that to make a major change. 1080p is going to be around for a good while. People right now are already saying they're happy with the DVD. It's not easy to lure people into supporting a better format.

Sony said they will actually have 1440p contant out via the PS3 at some point in the future. Who knows what it will be tho.

Banjo · 06-08-2007, 12:03 AM

That'll be a nice treat. That's if I end up with a 1440p television set someday.

andytoh · 06-08-2007, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

We'll have to wait a tad longer than that to make a major change. 1080p is going to be around for a good while. People right now are already saying they're happy with the DVD. It's not easy to lure people into supporting a better format.

Well, my opening post is intentionally ignoring the wait-time factor and just asking when the time comes (prices have dropped, a lot of content are out there), will you adapt (and so accept the financial loss for all the older stuff)? Obviously not an urgent question to think about, just curious.

The Don · 06-08-2007, 01:41 AM

since I've adopted BD so early in it's lifecycle...I may adopt the new HD format...

but it would really have to "wow" me to cause me to upgrade....

I don't see a need to go higher than Blu-ray and I'm not a fan of downloading movies....

the new format better be on my wall and raised off the surface in true 3D-HD (or whatever they will name this new format)....

it just better be damned impressive...

IamNhobdy · 06-08-2007, 02:47 AM

Eh. They only build most of the current TVs to last about 7-10 years, if that anyway. So if my TV craps out when something better comes along(or I become insanely rich) then I guess I wouldn't have any reason not to.

"...this HD tv. It's got better resolution than the real world!"
-Philip J. Fry

dakota81 · 06-08-2007, 03:01 AM

It only took 60 years to partially move from 480i to 1080i... so of course I expect to upgrade to 1440p in 10 years.

Musashi · 06-08-2007, 03:08 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_H...finition_Video

As I understand, the next level is Ultra-High Definition, which would be 4320p. Right now, it's highly experimental with no real standards in place. This is something I think we'll see, but not for a few decades.

dmxoneiuv · 06-08-2007, 03:47 AM

remember when DVD format was first coming out with those commercials and they'd be like see and hear the difference (glass shatters, bombs go off, etc.)...then i got this ps3 earlier this year and was like damn, i thought dvd was clear, look at this blu-ray sh*t...is it even gonna be noticeable to us to see the difference BEYOND what blu-ray has to offer? i guess its possible if theyre already talking about it and testing it but i'm hoping i dont have to get all new equipment in 10 years. i read an interview in PSM (playstation magazine) with the ceo or whoever of playstation and he was saying how ps2 has been out for 7 years, and the ps3 is something they want us to be using for longer (especially with capabilities to firmware updates). and another thing is MOST of us from the forum are already ahead in terms of HD technology and it is still gonna take a while for the rest of the "world" to switch over from SD to HD. i dont wanna have to do it again...and to me, HD as we have it now is good enough. i think i'm blabbing again

movies3 · 06-08-2007, 03:50 AM

i think HD with 1080p will be around for awhile, i dont think any of us have to worry about buying new stuff for at least 8+ yr like TV wise etc

Weez_Dawg · 06-08-2007, 04:59 AM

I hope in 8 to 10 years I have something new to buy. That would suck if I topped out on the best right now.

HDJK · 06-08-2007, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musashi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_H...finition_Video

As I understand, the next level is Ultra-High Definition, which would be 4320p. Right now, it's highly experimental with no real standards in place. This is something I think we'll see, but not for a few decades.

The way it was announced Ultra HD is mainly for large revenues that specifically ask for such a high resolution, not the consumer market. 1080P makes sense, because you can go to the masters that have a resolution of 2K to 4K. So maybe 4K (2160P) will find its way to the masses in a decade. UHD, I doubt it.

06-07-2007, 11:26 PM	#1
andytoh Member Member since:Jun 2007	Are you going to adapt to every new HD level? From VHS to DVD to blu-ray, each level separated about one decade apart. So I can't help but look into the future: one decade later, Quad HD 1440p will be consumer ready, another decade later Super HD, etc... Because we are high definition fanatics, can I assume that we will all basically buy new TVs and disc players for each new HD level every decade (when the prices drop to reasonable levels)? Also, will you also buy the same favourite movies and TV series for each new HD generation disk format? For me, this would mean that by 2030, I will have (for example) Titanic in VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray, Quad Blu-Ray, Super Blu-Ray, etc... when all the older formats would be useless, and the same for my other favourite movies. That's a wasted wasted $100+ for each favourite movie, $1000+ for each favourite TV series, etc...

06-07-2007, 11:38 PM	#2
andytoh Member Member since:Jun 2007	After watching every episode of Star Trek on DVD, I'm now bored of it. If it came out on blu-ray now, I don't think I will buy the same collection, even though it is one of my favourite TV shows. However, 5 years later I may be in the mood to watch the whole thing again. Then I would be torn apart, deciding whether to watch it on the DVDs I already have but miss out on watching it on Blu-Ray, or spend $500 on the Blu-Ray version and then feel I wasted my $300 buying it on DVD in the first place. I feel the same way about my other favourite TV series, documentary series, and movies. Last edited by andytoh; 06-07-2007 at 11:52 PM.

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06-07-2007, 11:39 PM	#3
Banjo Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Blu-ray collection:143	Only if I think it's going somewhere. I didn't bother with D-VHS because I knew it wouldn't last.

06-07-2007, 11:41 PM	#4
blitz6speed Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Anaheim Hills, CA Trading Score:8	I always believe in 1:1 pixel mapping for best visual performance. So unless theres a TON of content out for 1440p and 4k res systems, 1080p will be where i will stand for a long time.

06-07-2007, 11:49 PM	#7
MrBogey Expert Member Member since:Jan 2007	When looking at a 40" plus size set HD is a clear difference. The higher resolutions above 1080p aren't going to be significantly different to 99 percent of the people though.

06-08-2007, 12:03 AM	#11
Banjo Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Blu-ray collection:143	That'll be a nice treat. That's if I end up with a 1440p television set someday.

06-08-2007, 01:41 AM	#13
The Don Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Apr 2006 Blu-ray reviews:12 Trading Score:2	since I've adopted BD so early in it's lifecycle...I may adopt the new HD format... but it would really have to "wow" me to cause me to upgrade.... I don't see a need to go higher than Blu-ray and I'm not a fan of downloading movies.... the new format better be on my wall and raised off the surface in true 3D-HD (or whatever they will name this new format).... it just better be damned impressive...

06-08-2007, 02:47 AM	#14
IamNhobdy Senior Member Member since:May 2007 Location:Earth..I think...no, wait yeah...I think Blu-ray collection:342	Eh. They only build most of the current TVs to last about 7-10 years, if that anyway. So if my TV craps out when something better comes along(or I become insanely rich) then I guess I wouldn't have any reason not to. "...this HD tv. It's got better resolution than the real world!" -Philip J. Fry

06-08-2007, 03:01 AM	#15
dakota81 Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007	It only took 60 years to partially move from 480i to 1080i... so of course I expect to upgrade to 1440p in 10 years.

06-08-2007, 03:08 AM	#16
Musashi Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Manchester, CT Home Theater Gallery:5 4K collection:25 Blu-ray collection:337 Blu-ray reviews: 1	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_H...finition_Video As I understand, the next level is Ultra-High Definition, which would be 4320p. Right now, it's highly experimental with no real standards in place. This is something I think we'll see, but not for a few decades.

06-08-2007, 03:47 AM	#17
dmxoneiuv Active Member Member since:May 2007 4K collection:12 Blu-ray collection:465 DVD collection:21 Trading Score:20	remember when DVD format was first coming out with those commercials and they'd be like see and hear the difference (glass shatters, bombs go off, etc.)...then i got this ps3 earlier this year and was like damn, i thought dvd was clear, look at this blu-ray sh*t...is it even gonna be noticeable to us to see the difference BEYOND what blu-ray has to offer? i guess its possible if theyre already talking about it and testing it but i'm hoping i dont have to get all new equipment in 10 years. i read an interview in PSM (playstation magazine) with the ceo or whoever of playstation and he was saying how ps2 has been out for 7 years, and the ps3 is something they want us to be using for longer (especially with capabilities to firmware updates). and another thing is MOST of us from the forum are already ahead in terms of HD technology and it is still gonna take a while for the rest of the "world" to switch over from SD to HD. i dont wanna have to do it again...and to me, HD as we have it now is good enough. i think i'm blabbing again

06-08-2007, 03:50 AM	#18
movies3 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2006 Location:KY Blu-ray collection:5 Blu-ray reviews:56	i think HD with 1080p will be around for awhile, i dont think any of us have to worry about buying new stuff for at least 8+ yr like TV wise etc

06-08-2007, 04:59 AM	#19
Weez_Dawg Active Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:New Mexico	I hope in 8 to 10 years I have something new to buy. That would suck if I topped out on the best right now.

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