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xXInsaneDylanXx · 05-12-2009, 02:08 PM

Okay well in my other thread I decided on my hardware for my new build...
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=97265 (Check the last pages)
The processor is 64bit compatible and Im wondering is it worth getting 64bit over the 32bit?
Don't worry about the cost for the OS.
The reason I think it would be good is for the extra ram. I would put in 4+ gigs of ram. I would get windows 7 or Vista since xp isn't very good for 64bit.(so Ive heard)
Soooo worth getting 64 over 32bit?
Does any of the hardware matter? Processor is okay does anything else need to be compatible?
Thanks!!

solarrdadd · 05-12-2009, 02:40 PM

Go 64bit. think about your future. It's going to benifit you with your memory and if your doing video or 3d animation/modeling large renderings (like I do) you will really see the difference. Maximize your processor's power I have 2 machines, both 64bit, one core2 duo and one core2 quad, both have 8gb of ram and I use them in a networked capacity for rendering my 3d work to have 6-64bit cores rendering my work and each machine has 8gb of ram so i'm set. also, you need to have software that supports 64bit processing; not all do. All of my 3d modeling programs are 64bit versions. This is as important as the OS because if you have all your 64bit hardware, OS but non of the software you use support 64bit, your only rolling at 32bit and only half stepping! Hope this helps you.

xXInsaneDylanXx · 05-12-2009, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

Go 64bit. think about your future. It's going to benifit you with your memory and if your doing video or 3d animation/modeling large renderings (like I do) you will really see the difference. Maximize your processor's power I have 2 machines, both 64bit, one core2 duo and one core2 quad, both have 8gb of ram and I use them in a networked capacity for rendering my 3d work to have 6-64bit cores rendering my work and each machine has 8gb of ram so i'm set. also, you need to have software that supports 64bit processing; not all do. All of my 3d modeling programs are 64bit versions. This is as important as the OS because if you have all your 64bit hardware, OS but non of the software you use support 64bit, your only rolling at 32bit and only half stepping! Hope this helps you.

Ya I'm not gonna be doing quite that much stuff. lol
But basicly just gaming, videos, surfing, graphics, web design etc. Nothing to ram sucking but yea I agree with you.
I had Vista at one time and did not like it but I think I just needed to get used to it.
I'm gonna go with the 64bit I think...thanks!

tilallr1 · 05-12-2009, 03:35 PM

It really all comes down to memory and performance related to more memory. 32-bit O\S has a max memory capacity of about 3.5 GB. 64-bit ... is there a limit? I've got 8 GB on my system and I know it can take a lot more than that. Multi-tasking is the end benefit I find. When I boot into 32-bit mode I find multi-tasking to be impossible. But on 64-bit everything just flies.

xXInsaneDylanXx · 05-12-2009, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tilallr1

It really all comes down to memory and performance related to more memory. 32-bit O\S has a max memory capacity of about 3.5 GB. 64-bit ... is there a limit? I've got 8 GB on my system and I know it can take a lot more than that. Multi-tasking is the end benefit I find. When I boot into 32-bit mode I find multi-tasking to be impossible. But on 64-bit everything just flies.

Yea thats what I was thinking. I always multitask and it really shows on my current pc. I can't have PS and DW open at the same time otherwise its IMPOSSIBLE to do anything cause its sooo slow.
Right now Im running a modified xp for speed with 2gigs of ram and a really bad processor: Intel Celeron.

Seeking_Alpha · 05-13-2009, 03:31 PM

Let's move technology forward please.

Choosing 32 bit over 64 bit would be like being choosing an upscaling dvd player when you can get a blu-ray player for the same price.

Blue_Blood · 05-13-2009, 03:39 PM

I say go with 64 bit. I have Xp 64 and it works great! I actually heard the exact opposite of what you heard. I heard Vista 64 isnt as good as XP 64. I cant compare because I've never used XP 64. Either way is good I suppose.

tlmaclennan · 05-13-2009, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue_Blood

I say go with 64 bit. I have Xp 64 and it works great! I actually heard the exact opposite of what you heard. I heard Vista 64 isnt as good as XP 64. I cant compare because I've never used XP 64. Either way is good I suppose.

Wait, so you have XP x64 but you've never used it? haha

I would assume Vista x64 is a bit slower just because Vista is a slow OS. I have no problem with it though since I think XP x64 isn't actually a full 64-bit OS where Vista is. I've been beta testing Windows 7 x64 and it is much faster.

Anyways, it doesn't hurt to get 64-bit and take advantage of the extra memory. And I don't think you have to worry about software compatibility as you can run 32-bit software too.

Robert Franklin · 05-13-2009, 03:54 PM

I'm thinking of building a pc as well. I like your setup. I already have Vista 64 bit PC, and there is a definite benefit to the 64 bit. According to M$ Here are the limitations for 64bit RAM for Vista

Home Basic 8G
Home Premium 16G
Business 128G
Enterprise 128G
Ultimate 128G

aesnakes · 05-13-2009, 06:14 PM

I use vista 64 because of the updates needed for some apps I use. If you go with Vista 64 just turn off the aero theme and look up how to turn off UAC. It is annoying and with ask you 3 times if you want to install something. once those are turned off the system since sp1 is getting better.

As for 64 bit and ram limits well they have an artificial ram limit for vista set at 128G and the new windows 7 is at 192G 32 is at 4G and actually all the cards like video cards etc that you put in your system actually take up some of that ram so you will actually see something like 3.5G in your system even though you have 4G. and never get a home edition, always get the ultimate edition if you use it for more then checking your email.

I would totally go with 64bit it can run most 32 bit applications anyways. I was rendering a 4K project in nuke but I needed to export to quicktime......so I used the 32bit version...but it kept running out of memory....so i had to render out an image sequence in 64bit nuke and bring it in so that the 32bit nuke could handle it. (just an example)

AND if you are going with the new intel i7's wait till the fall when they release the 8 cores per processor! I cant wait or at least make sure you can upgrade to them.

best of luck.

aesnakes · 05-13-2009, 06:14 PM

AH Robert you beat me to it on the ram limits haha

quexos · 05-13-2009, 06:28 PM

There are twice as many bits in 64Bits so it is twice better !
Quexos has spoken so end of story.

hagar852 · 05-13-2009, 06:33 PM

I would only add to make sure your printer has 64 bit drivers. That usually is the hardest thing to get since a particular printer may not support a 64bit operating system.

PS3-Playb3yond · 05-13-2009, 09:45 PM

What's a bit exactly? Processor? I have a 32bit and my PC can't handle running two or more programs properly. It makes this cracking noise which really annoys me.

aesnakes · 05-13-2009, 09:53 PM

A bit is a binary digit, taking a logical value of either "1" or "0" (also referred to as "true" or "false" respectively).

A byte is an ordered collection of bits, with each bit denoting a single binary value of 1 or 0. The byte most often consists of 8 bits in modern systems; however, the size of a byte can vary and is generally determined by the underlying computer operating system or hardware. Historically, byte size was determined by the number of bits required to represent a single character from a Western character set.

basically just a unit of measure, like kilobyte, megabyte, gigabyte, well there are also megabits, gigabits etc

In computer architecture, 32-bit integers, memory addresses, or other data units are those that are at most 32 bits (4 octets) wide. Also, 32-bit CPU and ALU architectures are those that are based on registers, address buses, or data buses of that size. 32-bit is also a term given to a generation of computers in which 32-bit processors were the norm.

The range of integer values that can be stored in 32 bits is 0 through 4,294,967,295 or −2,147,483,648 through 2,147,483,647 using two's complement encoding. Hence, a processor with 32-bit memory addresses can directly access 4 GB of byte-addressable memory.

All this can be found on wikipedia.org

PS3-Playb3yond · 05-13-2009, 10:05 PM

Ok. And can a 32bit PC be upgraded to 64bit? I'm guessing not.

aesnakes · 05-13-2009, 10:56 PM

usually needs a new processor which needs a new motherboards which usually requires new ram.

which isnt too bad depending on the life of your last computer. I usually try to wait till mid cycle of new processors....so the new i7's came out, the new 8core i7's come out this fall...so i will be upgrading next spring. If you have all the other componenets I wouldnt think you would have to spend more then $700-1000 for high end new gear....probably cheaper if you went a few generations behind and got a deal.

So basically new motherboard, new processors and new faster ram like the 1333 DDR3 im still on Intel quad 2.66 with 8g of ram at 667Mhz and I can feel the slow ram in 3D and video rendertime.

Here is a sample, all you should need is to keep adding new ram to it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.190227

PS3-Playb3yond · 05-13-2009, 11:05 PM

Wow! I'm using only 2GB of RAM and an AMD Sempron Processor at 1.81 GHz. It would probably be easier to just buy a new motherboard lol.

xtop · 05-13-2009, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PS3-Playb3yond

Wow! I'm using only 2GB of RAM and an AMD Sempron Processor at 1.81 GHz. It would probably be easier to just buy a new motherboard lol.

you dont have to spend that much if all want is 64 bit..

my athlon 64 can be had for under 20 bucks

in fact..you could still use your 2gb of ram

PS3-Playb3yond · 05-13-2009, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtop

you dont have to spend that much if all want is 64 bit..

my athlon 64 can be had for under 20 bucks

in fact..you could still use your 2gb of ram

What? How? I've heard 64bit requires a lot of RAM especially if you're running Vista. I'm not using Vista though.

05-12-2009, 02:08 PM	#1
xXInsaneDylanXx Member Member since:Mar 2009	64bit vs. 32bit Okay well in my other thread I decided on my hardware for my new build... https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=97265 (Check the last pages) The processor is 64bit compatible and Im wondering is it worth getting 64bit over the 32bit? Don't worry about the cost for the OS. The reason I think it would be good is for the extra ram. I would put in 4+ gigs of ram. I would get windows 7 or Vista since xp isn't very good for 64bit.(so Ive heard) Soooo worth getting 64 over 32bit? Does any of the hardware matter? Processor is okay does anything else need to be compatible? Thanks!!

05-13-2009, 10:56 PM	#17
aesnakes Member Member since:Dec 2008 Location:North Vancouver Home Theater Gallery:36 Blu-ray collection:38	usually needs a new processor which needs a new motherboards which usually requires new ram. which isnt too bad depending on the life of your last computer. I usually try to wait till mid cycle of new processors....so the new i7's came out, the new 8core i7's come out this fall...so i will be upgrading next spring. If you have all the other componenets I wouldnt think you would have to spend more then $700-1000 for high end new gear....probably cheaper if you went a few generations behind and got a deal. So basically new motherboard, new processors and new faster ram like the 1333 DDR3 im still on Intel quad 2.66 with 8g of ram at 667Mhz and I can feel the slow ram in 3D and video rendertime. Here is a sample, all you should need is to keep adding new ram to it. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.190227 Last edited by aesnakes; 05-13-2009 at 11:00 PM.

05-12-2009, 02:40 PM	#2
solarrdadd Blu-ray Prince Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2008 Location:Virginia Home Theater Gallery:255 4K collection:209 Blu-ray collection:1344 DVD collection:4 Blu-ray reviews: 42 Trading Score:316	Go 64bit. think about your future. It's going to benifit you with your memory and if your doing video or 3d animation/modeling large renderings (like I do) you will really see the difference. Maximize your processor's power I have 2 machines, both 64bit, one core2 duo and one core2 quad, both have 8gb of ram and I use them in a networked capacity for rendering my 3d work to have 6-64bit cores rendering my work and each machine has 8gb of ram so i'm set. also, you need to have software that supports 64bit processing; not all do. All of my 3d modeling programs are 64bit versions. This is as important as the OS because if you have all your 64bit hardware, OS but non of the software you use support 64bit, your only rolling at 32bit and only half stepping! Hope this helps you.

05-12-2009, 03:35 PM	#4
tilallr1 Blu-ray Samurai Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Great White North Home Theater Gallery:410 4K collection:78 Blu-ray collection:2009 DVD collection:2598 Blu-ray reviews: 33 Trading Score:248	It really all comes down to memory and performance related to more memory. 32-bit O\S has a max memory capacity of about 3.5 GB. 64-bit ... is there a limit? I've got 8 GB on my system and I know it can take a lot more than that. Multi-tasking is the end benefit I find. When I boot into 32-bit mode I find multi-tasking to be impossible. But on 64-bit everything just flies.

05-13-2009, 03:31 PM	#6
Seeking_Alpha Active Member Member since:Jul 2008	Let's move technology forward please. Choosing 32 bit over 64 bit would be like being choosing an upscaling dvd player when you can get a blu-ray player for the same price.

05-13-2009, 03:39 PM	#7
Blue_Blood Senior Member Member since:Sep 2008 Blu-ray collection:154 Trading Score:27	I say go with 64 bit. I have Xp 64 and it works great! I actually heard the exact opposite of what you heard. I heard Vista 64 isnt as good as XP 64. I cant compare because I've never used XP 64. Either way is good I suppose.

05-13-2009, 03:54 PM	#9
Robert Franklin Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Baltimore, MD 4K collection:128 Blu-ray collection:363	I'm thinking of building a pc as well. I like your setup. I already have Vista 64 bit PC, and there is a definite benefit to the 64 bit. According to M$ Here are the limitations for 64bit RAM for Vista Home Basic 8G Home Premium 16G Business 128G Enterprise 128G Ultimate 128G

05-13-2009, 06:14 PM	#10
aesnakes Member Member since:Dec 2008 Location:North Vancouver Home Theater Gallery:36 Blu-ray collection:38	I use vista 64 because of the updates needed for some apps I use. If you go with Vista 64 just turn off the aero theme and look up how to turn off UAC. It is annoying and with ask you 3 times if you want to install something. once those are turned off the system since sp1 is getting better. As for 64 bit and ram limits well they have an artificial ram limit for vista set at 128G and the new windows 7 is at 192G 32 is at 4G and actually all the cards like video cards etc that you put in your system actually take up some of that ram so you will actually see something like 3.5G in your system even though you have 4G. and never get a home edition, always get the ultimate edition if you use it for more then checking your email. I would totally go with 64bit it can run most 32 bit applications anyways. I was rendering a 4K project in nuke but I needed to export to quicktime......so I used the 32bit version...but it kept running out of memory....so i had to render out an image sequence in 64bit nuke and bring it in so that the 32bit nuke could handle it. (just an example) AND if you are going with the new intel i7's wait till the fall when they release the 8 cores per processor! I cant wait or at least make sure you can upgrade to them. best of luck.

05-13-2009, 06:28 PM	#12
quexos Banned Member since:May 2007 Location:Brussels, Belgium	There are twice as many bits in 64Bits so it is twice better ! Quexos has spoken so end of story.

05-13-2009, 06:33 PM	#13
hagar852 Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:107	I would only add to make sure your printer has 64 bit drivers. That usually is the hardest thing to get since a particular printer may not support a 64bit operating system.

05-13-2009, 09:45 PM	#14
PS3-Playb3yond Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Cincinnati, OH Blu-ray collection:19 Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:13	What's a bit exactly? Processor? I have a 32bit and my PC can't handle running two or more programs properly. It makes this cracking noise which really annoys me.

05-13-2009, 09:53 PM	#15
aesnakes Member Member since:Dec 2008 Location:North Vancouver Home Theater Gallery:36 Blu-ray collection:38	A bit is a binary digit, taking a logical value of either "1" or "0" (also referred to as "true" or "false" respectively). A byte is an ordered collection of bits, with each bit denoting a single binary value of 1 or 0. The byte most often consists of 8 bits in modern systems; however, the size of a byte can vary and is generally determined by the underlying computer operating system or hardware. Historically, byte size was determined by the number of bits required to represent a single character from a Western character set. basically just a unit of measure, like kilobyte, megabyte, gigabyte, well there are also megabits, gigabits etc In computer architecture, 32-bit integers, memory addresses, or other data units are those that are at most 32 bits (4 octets) wide. Also, 32-bit CPU and ALU architectures are those that are based on registers, address buses, or data buses of that size. 32-bit is also a term given to a generation of computers in which 32-bit processors were the norm. The range of integer values that can be stored in 32 bits is 0 through 4,294,967,295 or −2,147,483,648 through 2,147,483,647 using two's complement encoding. Hence, a processor with 32-bit memory addresses can directly access 4 GB of byte-addressable memory. All this can be found on wikipedia.org

05-13-2009, 10:05 PM	#16
PS3-Playb3yond Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Cincinnati, OH Blu-ray collection:19 Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:13	Ok. And can a 32bit PC be upgraded to 64bit? I'm guessing not.

05-13-2009, 11:05 PM	#18
PS3-Playb3yond Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Cincinnati, OH Blu-ray collection:19 Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:13	Wow! I'm using only 2GB of RAM and an AMD Sempron Processor at 1.81 GHz. It would probably be easier to just buy a new motherboard lol.

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