Maybe I don't understand image retention...

[victimsofadown]

I have a G10, I ran the breakin images for a minimum of 160 hours (probably more, but that's the FOR SURE number), and today I watched Tropic Thunder (a widescreen affair)

I couldn't have had it on the screen for more than 2 hours (think closer to 1.5) but when I turned the PS3 off to go to sleep I could see the retention...

It was significantly lighter in the portion of the television that the movie was playing on.

I guess I have 2 questions...

#1 is this ever going to go away, or will there always be image retention?

#2 do I need to "take care" of the image retention when it occurs, or is turning the television off directly after not a big deal? The reason why I ask is because I game like a MFer literally 6-10 hours at a time sometimes, which is obviously going to lead to a crapload of image retention.

thanks!

[Mike7300]

One more question to add on for anyone....

After doing the break in process, is it ok to not use my tv for a few months? Or do i need to break it in again if i dont use it for a few months.

[repete66211]

Originally Posted by Mike7300

One more question to add on for anyone....

After doing the break in process, is it ok to not use my tv for a few months? Or do i need to break it in again if i dont use it for a few months.

I didn't break my TV in and I've never seen IR, even after a paused screen, hours of gaming and various other situations that should have resuled in it. I do not see this IR you are experiencing as a long-term problem. It could be nothing more than a slow cooldown of some pixels. For that reason I hesitate to call it IR at all. The only IR I would worry about is if a static image lingers when the TV is still on. If that occurs you should run the burn-in protection screen for a while.

My g/f has a 5 year old Samsung plasma and she gets IR on everything.

I do not think you would need to break the TV in again after hibernation, but then since all of the break-in business seems to be theoretical your guess is as good as mine.

[FilmmakingFiasco]

My friend has a Samsung plasma and if we played MLB 2k7 (back in the day) on his 360 and then switched to a movie, I could always see the score banner at the top for the first few minutes ...even though he said he couldn't. It would go away after a few minutes. Do you see a difference when you power the TV back up?

[Clark Kent]

Turn down your calibration settings like the contrast when playing video games for long periods of time. Running a video game with static images for long continuous periods of time in "torch" or vivid mode can lead to problems on a plasma.

[repete66211]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Turn down your calibration settings like the contrast when playing video games for long periods of time. Running a video game with static images for long continuous periods of time in "torch" or vivid mode can lead to problems on a plasma.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you should never have it vivid mode for the exact reason you mention. The TV is better calibrated on some other setting, right? (Samsung calls it "Movie".)

[scweb13]

Originally Posted by repete66211

I do not think you would need to break the TV in again after hibernation, but then since all of the break-in business seems to be theoretical your guess is as good as mine.

From what I've read,
"The purpose of the break-in settings is to get the brightness up pretty high to saturate the RGB channels to evenly wear the phosphors during the first part of their life where they age the quickest to have a consistent image as their aging slows.

Try to imagine the pixels of the display, each are made up of 3 different phosphors: red, green, and blue. When these phosphors are struck with electrons (shed by the gas in the panel when excited to the plasma state) they'll glow with their individual colors. Over time quality of this glow changes. The biggest change happens over approximately the first 150 hours they spend glowing (at maximum intensity, a dimmer glow ages slower).

If you just watch normal programming content each phosphor will have spend a much different amount of time in its on state. Though eventually every dot on the screen will be past the 150 hour mark they'll all be reaching it at different times. The purpose of the full-screen colors is to age every pixel through that 150 hours at exactly the same rate.

In the long term every pixel will be past the 150 hour mark. It is the medium term when some are relatively fresh compared to others (think about station logos or black bars aging parts of the screen faster or slower) you may end up with some inconsistencies across the panel.
".

[victimsofadown]

Break in is not a factor in my question, as my set has been broken in (now) for over 175 hours

[repete66211]

Thanks for laying it out Scweb. I am aware of the theory behind plasma break-in, but I'm unconvinced going through the laborious break-in ritual will have any significant measurable effect beyond simply "taking care" of your TV. By "taking care" I mean not having it on any vivid preset calibration--not just in the first 150 hours, but ever.

[Kryptron]

OP, what settings were you using when watching the movie (*Picture mode -contrast/brightness/color)?

How much full screen content have you watched after that?

Did you run the anti-image retention scroll bar? if so, for how long?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by repete66211

Thanks for laying it out Scweb. I am aware of the theory behind plasma break-in, but I'm unconvinced going through the laborious break-in ritual will have any significant measurable effect beyond simply "taking care" of your TV. By "taking care" I mean not having it on any vivid preset calibration--not just in the first 150 hours, but ever.

Pushing play 5 times isn't really laborious, it's the fastest way to bypass the first 150 hours. It's simply for those who want to get past the intial period the fastest, that's all. It's by no means a necessity, simply a convenience.

[Mike7300]

so its fine to break it in, and then not watch the tv for a while...

[battousai147]

Originally Posted by victimsofadown

I have a G10, I ran the breakin images for a minimum of 160 hours (probably more, but that's the FOR SURE number), and today I watched Tropic Thunder (a widescreen affair)

I couldn't have had it on the screen for more than 2 hours (think closer to 1.5) but when I turned the PS3 off to go to sleep I could see the retention...

It was significantly lighter in the portion of the television that the movie was playing on.

I guess I have 2 questions...

#1 is this ever going to go away, or will there always be image retention?

#2 do I need to "take care" of the image retention when it occurs, or is turning the television off directly after not a big deal? The reason why I ask is because I game like a MFer literally 6-10 hours at a time sometimes, which is obviously going to lead to a crapload of image retention.

thanks!

I think someone mentioned pixel cool down, i feel this could be what you are seeing, i would pobably call what you see ghosting not image retention, i see it if i'm in a completly dark room and watch widescreen movies or play games with any static image and then just turn the tv off, this ghosting effect never stays around for more than a minute, and as soon as i power on and watch tv it gone, again i think it could be a cool down difference in the pixel.

If it were actual IR, you should be able to see it all the time, regardless of whats on the screen or what you are watching, not just after you shut down the set....

[victimsofadown]

Originally Posted by battousai147

I think someone mentioned pixel cool down, i feel this could be what you are seeing, i would pobably call what you see ghosting not image retention, i see it if i'm in a completly dark room and watch widescreen movies or play games with any static image and then just turn the tv off, this ghosting effect never stays around for more than a minute, and as soon as i power on and watch tv it gone, again i think it could be a cool down difference in the pixel.

If it were actual IR, you should be able to see it all the time, regardless of whats on the screen or what you are watching, not just after you shut down the set....

I think this is it. Thanks!