People! Help me dress myself!

[ZackL]

So I managed to get a job in my new city and its the first job I have ever had requiring a shirt and tie (electronics sales, pretty cool I am in the TV and audio department... got the job because I knew more about the stuff they had then the guy interviewing me). I don't want to look like a complete moron, so I have a few questions. I went to a suit store and a girl helped me pick out some stuff but I was still wondering:

Does a tie go to your belly button or your waist? Is the most common knot to use the one where you spin it around the skinny part twice and pull it up then down the hole in the front?

Can I wear black pants with a black shirt as long as my tie isn't black?

Is there anything black pants DON'T go with?

Is there a rule when wearing a tie with certain shirts? Like should a solid tie go with a striped shirt and vice versa? I don't know?

Thank you.

[katharsis]

Originally Posted by ZackL

Is there a rule when wearing a tie with certain shirts?

Don't wear a tie on a blue Jeans shirt!


Do they have some kind of dress code, like you have to wear certain colors etc?
If you're really unsure just go have a look and see what the other sales associates are wearing.

[iNCREDiPiNOY]

Don't wear a pair of white sock. Some people think your MJ's fanboy!

[Beta Man]

More than likely, nice black shoes, and black pants will be the "go to" then just get different colored shirts and ties to match the shirts....... you probably don't need the whole jacket..... unless they require it.

Get something comfortable like this

http://www.bananarepublic.com/browse...724&pid=586703



this is what I'm wearing today, with a button up shirt, black shoes (no tie... not that formal thank god ) but I just sit in an office and post on this site all day By the way... I got them on sale for $80 or so.... which may seem like a lot, but they never wrinkle, and they look very sharp (the stripes are a nice classy touch)

got a tailored Nordstrom's shirt on..... and nice black shoes, black belt.


if you get NICE woal pants (like suit pants) I find they wear out pretty fast, besides, they need to be dry cleaned.... I wash these pants (o.k. the wife does it) and they turn out fine.

[ZackL]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

More than likely, nice black shoes, and black pants will be the "go to" then just get different colored shirts and ties to match the shirts....... you probably don't need the whole jacket..... unless they require it.

Get something comfortable like this

http://www.bananarepublic.com/browse...724&pid=586703



this is what I'm wearing today, with a button up shirt, black shoes (no tie... not that formal thank god ) but I just sit in an office and post on this site all day By the way... I got them on sale for $80 or so.... which may seem like a lot, but they never wrinkle, and they look very sharp (the stripes are a nice classy touch)

got a tailored Nordstrom's shirt on..... and nice black shoes, black belt.


if you get NICE woal pants (like suit pants) I find they wear out pretty fast, besides, they need to be dry cleaned.... I wash these pants (o.k. the wife does it) and they turn out fine.

Yeah I have to wear a tie every day. . I love those pants. Are black khakis fine for pants?

[rebfandan]

Don't wear two different patterns on top of each other. If your pants or tie have a pattern, your best bet is to wear a solid shirt. As far as ties, I have always been told the bottom of the tie shoud touch the middle of your buckle. Get a good pair of dark grey/charcoal colored slacks and pair them up with a good pair of black dress shoes and a pair of sophisticated-looking loafers (for casual days).

NEVER wear bright, bold colors on your tie. There is a reason why they dress Andy Bernard the way they do on "The Office".

[DiverSpear]

http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-...f-windsor-knot
http://www.tie-a-tie.net/halfwindsor.html

http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-...l-windsor-knot
http://www.tie-a-tie.net/windsor.html

As far as the tie goes typically it ends at the top of your belt buckle. There are 2 types of knots for ties; half windsor and full windsor. being a little older I prefer the full windsor knot it is more distinguished and symetrical. The younger crowd prefers the half windsor because it is easy and can be tied while still drunk or hung-over from the night before. If you can afford it get your shirts tailored they will fit better and you won't feel like you are choking from the tie.

[Moefiz]

Go with a solid color shirt not too bright and no stripe.

For Ties go up to your waist.

[jsteinhauer]

For versatility, I recommend white shirts. Also, they may cost more, but get the wrinkle-free kind. You will save either tons of ironing time or money at the cleaners. You can get great deals on ties ($10 and less) at even very nice department stores by checking clearance racks, and you get designer brands. My wife is fortunately the ultimate shopper, and I had about 50 ties that were under $10. If I got something on them, I threw them away, instead of having them cleaned. After years of having to wear ties, I now have worn one two or three times in the last year. Ties were torture devices invented by women.

[badboi]

Trust me on this one. This is all ya need.

[Psychonaut]

^^ But not after Labor Day.

[jadedeath]

You need help dressing yourself and you're asking this pack of nutjobs? *LOL*

Logan

[Marquoz]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

You need help dressing yourself and you're asking this pack of nutjobs? *LOL*

Logan

At least when people say, "Who dressed you, your mother?" he can honestly reply that she didn't.

Of course if he gets complimented on his attire, he needs to pass it on to us.

[quirkmanly]

Originally Posted by DiverSpear

http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-...f-windsor-knot
http://www.tie-a-tie.net/halfwindsor.html

http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-...l-windsor-knot
http://www.tie-a-tie.net/windsor.html

As far as the tie goes typically it ends at the top of your belt buckle. There are 2 types of knots for ties; half windsor and full windsor. being a little older I prefer the full windsor knot it is more distinguished and symetrical. The younger croud prefers the half windsor because it is easy and can be tied while still drunk or hung-over from the night before. If you can afford it get your shirts tailored they will fit better and you won't feel like you are choking from the tie.

Making the extra effort and going with the full windsor is essential in my opinion.

[Ferris]

A lot of this depends on what type of place you're working. Black khakis are fine if you're working at a Circuit City, but it it's a more upscale place, you'll want to go for a few pairs of dress pants (personally, I prefer the flat front). As for the shirts, you're pretty safe with solid colors. If you wear stripes, you should wear non-patterned pants.

As for the ties, I buy mine from Kohl's. $12-$15. Half-Windor/Full-windsor... it depends on the look you're going for. Whatever you do, don't tie a half-windsor on thinner (not the skinny ones, I mean thin material) ties, as it looks VERY assymetrical.

Shoes will be key for you. If you're standing all day, spend the money on a two nice pairs of Johnston & Murphys or Kenneth Coles. They make some with VERY comfortable soles.

[phlydude]

do not wear balck khakis...they fade after the 1st wash and only turn more gray/blue looking with time


Hit a Sears-like department store (or if you have access to a Costco, even better) and pick up some black and navy pants, white, off-white and french blue shirts and see what you can do getting some cheap ties. Silk is not required but nice and sometimes you can find a discount clothing store that sells ties and socks in bulk for cheap.

Dress shoes are required - leather soles and uppers will cost more but can be repaired/re-soled and be as good as new later on for a longer period of time. Stay away from the rubber shoes as they tend to be hollow after the outer layer of rubber wears away (Which will happen very quickly if you are on your feet all day).
BUT if you can find Dunham shoes, they will be very comfortable
http://www.nbwebexpress.com/detail.a...style=MCT410BK
(new balance makes dress shoes...brilliant!)

[Beta Man]

I wear a lot of striped shirts, and if they're nice, they can be very dressy....

couple things to note.... The plastic/metal things in the collar to keep the points nice STAY IN THE SHIRT when you wear it.... and GET TAKEN OUT when you wash them...... (so many people don't know that it drives me crazy)

Nordstroms and Saks carries Facionnable, and each carry their own line as well..... all very nice shirts (again... you gotta buy on sale... because nice stuff will look great, (and people do notice) and last longer)

Don't think because it's Saks, that it instantly means you're paying too much either.... another common misconception..... I got a solid colored Burberry shirt from Saks (none of that stupid plaid logo stuff for me) for $45 bucks or so Their dress shirts are REDICULOUSLY soft too.... and look great (their color doesn't fade etc... they use good dye/thread etc) I don't expect to walk in there and find anything..... but clearance is your friend.... of course I'm a big time shopper..... (I'm secure enough in my masculinity) maybe even more-so than my wife..... I'm not into buying a lot of shoes like her, but I'll give her a run for the money on the amount of button ups, and golf-shirts I buy.... and again.. I NEVER pay retail!!!! (it also helps that I can find great deals because I'm like 5'9, 5'10, and only weigh a buck-thirty, so most people don't wear my sizes, so I shop a lot of European brands)


I'm here to stand-up to the little-guys who like to shop for clothes everywhere.......

[ZackL]

I have shopped successfully again as per the mighty word of Blu members. I bought a few pair of black/navy blue dress pants and some decent solid shirts to go with them, black, 2x white, blue, and 1 striped one, only because it looked simply dashing. I bought a couple striped ties that don't make my eyes sore and match alright with the shirts. Maybe i'll post pics... that'd be a laugh.

[Beta Man]

I keep telling myself I need to get a black dress shirt.... I don't own any.... Johnny Cash is rolling in his grave.

[U4K61]

Chromatics

History
Issac Newton, 1666, discovers all colors are present in natural light and can be seperated by a prism. Jacques Christophe Le Blon, 1730, finds that mixing two primary colors creates secondary colors. Thomas Young, 1801, Trichromatic theory Albert Munsell, 1858 - 1918, develops Munsell Color System to numerically describe color.

The Physics
Color Principles - Hue, Saturation, and Value
1931 CIE standard chromaticity diagram
Color theory:
Electromagnetic spectrum:

The Electromagnetic Spectrum
Though light has a particle/wave duality, we will concern ourselves with the wave portion here. The electromagnetic spectrum runs the gamut of high energy Cosmic rays, Gamma rays, X-rays, Ultra violet, Visible Light; to lower energy Infra Red, TV and radio waves and Electric Waves. We are almost blind and can see only from 700nm red to 400nm violet.

Color Wavelength (nm)

• Red 625 - 740
• Orange 590 - 625
• Yellow 565 - 590
• Green 520 - 565
• Cyan 500 - 520
• Blue 435 - 500
• Violet 380 - 435

Color Temperatue:

• Candle Flame: 1850K
• Stage Lighting: 2,800 - 3,200K
• Sunlight: 5,400K
• Electronic Flash: 5,500 - 6,000K
• Overcast daylight: 6,500K

Additive Color - Where a balance of the three primary colors is white..
Primary: Red, Green, Blue. Ellsworth Kelly, Red Blue Green - 1963
Secondary: Cyan, Magenta, Yellow.
http://char.txa.cornell.edu/language...olor/color.htm
http://colortheory.liquisoft.com/

Subtractive CMYK color model used in printing:
Primary: Cyan, Magenta, Yellow:
Secondary: Red, Green, Blue

Subtractive RYB color model
Primary: The spectrum colors - Red, Yellow, Blue:
Secondary: Mixed from two analogous primaries - Orange(Red/Blue), Green(Blue/Yellow), Violet(Red/Blue).
Tertiary: A mix of a Primary and Secondary - Red-Orange, Yellow-Orange, Yellow-Green, Blu-green, Blue-violet, Red-Violet.

The Three Attributes of Color:

1. Hue (Color) - Some point on the color wheel or spectrum.
2. Value - Shades, Tints or Luminance. How light or dark a color is: 0 - 10.
3. Intensity - Chroma, Saturation or Color purity. The intensity is lowered by adding a color's complement.

Tint - Color mixed with white.
Shade - Color mixed with black.
Tone - Color mixed with grey.

Color Temperature:
Warm Colors - Red, Orange, Yellow. (2700 - 3000K)
Cool Colors - Blue, Green, Violet. (5000K+)
Black Body

White Balance: Measuring light reflected from subject and then adjusting the red, green and blue. NTSC 6,500K

• White Balance - photocritic
• White Balance - cambridge color
• White Balance - wiki

For the rest of the post, we will use the additive primaries: Red, Green, Blue. The secondaries: Orange, Violet, and Green and the six tertiaries for a total of twelve colors.



Monotone




Analogous Colors

Any colors that are next to each outher on the color wheel - up to five. Looks balanced but can lack contrast.




Complementary Color

Contrasting hues directly opposite each other on the color wheel. Any two complements contain all three primary colors. Best when you put a warm color against a cool color. complements generaly are high-contrast.
Yellow - Violet(Red/Blue), Red - Green(Yellow/Blue), Blue - Orange(Yellow/Red).




Split Complementary

Two hues on eather side of another color's complement.




Triad

Three equidistant colors on the wheel.



Tetrad(double complementary) - Any two pairs of complements. More color variety, hardest to balance.
Partitive Color - When the eye combines two distinct colors to derive a third.
Simultaneous Contrast - Colors that change their appearance next to another color.
Vibrating Color (Simultaneous Contrast) - An increase in intensity when Equal Value Complementary Colors are placed together.



Color In Action

• Volver and Hable con Ella - two works by Pedro Almodóvar
• Andy Warhol - Andy Warhol Foundation

Links

• Color Wheel Pro
• RGB Color Calculator:
• Web Colors:

Glossery

Monochromatic colors - A hue + black or grey(black+white) or white.
Spectral colors - All colors that can be produced by visible light of a single wavelength.
THz - terehertz
Trichromacy - Three types of cone cells.
Tetrachromacy - Four different types of cone cells.
Trichromatic Theory - Matching all of the colors in the visible spectrum by mixing the three primary colors.

Black level (Brightness)
Adds/Subtracts an offset(bias) into the red, green, and blue signal. Adjusts how dim/bright the darkest parts of the picture are. Using a PLUGE pattern, crank up the brightness so all the bars are visible, then turn it back down untill the below-black bar just matches the black background.

White Level (Contrast, Picture)
Peak white level. Adjusts how dim/bright the brightest parts of the picture are.

Saturation (Color, Chroma) -


Hue (Tint)
Color phase, creats a reddish or greenish/yellowish hue.

Sharpness(Detail)
Edge enhancement -a ringing or white halo around the black lines when the overscan pattern is up for example.

Color Temperature - 6500K

Overscan - reduced to 4% to 5% by ISF calibration.



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