Oblivion 4K UHD (2013) - Page 14 - Blu-ray Forum

ray0414 · 08-12-2016, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

While I do think Oblivion has some issues, I don't think it's fair to judge one films cinematography and clarity against another. They weren't shot or mastered the same way. It's apples to oranges.

Both shot in 4k.

1 mastered at 2k.

1 mastered at 4k

Guess which one looks better by miles?

Gamma_Winstead · 08-12-2016, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ray0414

Both shot in 4k.

1 mastered at 2k.

1 mastered at 4k

Guess which one looks better by miles?

Where they shot with the same cameras? Same cinematography? Same post production grading?

No? Then you can't compare them. That's like being mad that Ghostbusters doesn't look like Revenant. Oblivion is not as good looking as it could be, but at the end of the day it'd never look like Lucy due to the simple fact that it is NOT Lucy. We had these same complaints back in the early days of Blu-Ray as well.

Opips3 · 08-12-2016, 07:08 AM

That's sad!

All 2K DI finished mastered with 2K VFX rendered. It's problem for 4K. So need upscales to 4K.

Best natived film 4K or higher mastered to 4K like ping pong!
-35mm negative film working on scanned 4K to 4K. Look very exellence picture with HDR.

I stick to Sony finished work done on all Sony films are 4K scanned!

dunnbluray · 08-12-2016, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ray0414

This raises a question, and I believe a very valid one.

Is the dolby vision version on vudu a completely different file? Like did dolby do its own upscale for the hdr grading? It's possible that it was upscaled differently than the hdr10 version and therefore wasn't given a softer picture.

I would compare to the 4K blu-ray, but I only purchased the digital copy. I can compare it to the Blu-ray and definitely see the difference. I wasn't even planning on watching it the other night, but the amount of detail kept me watching the movie. I was just going to test the quality.

Not sure if anyone here has a Dolby Vision TV and the 4K Blu-ray to compare. If there are high quality screen captures of the 4K blu-ray, I can compare against the Vudu version.

wesslan · 08-12-2016, 11:26 AM

Might be since DV needs a own hdr grading (they do 4000 nits and 12-bits if I'm not mistaken and sometimes higher) so would be very very interesting to see comparisons for UHD HDR10 vs vudu DV on this.

aaronwt2065 · 08-12-2016, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

While I do think Oblivion has some issues, I don't think it's fair to judge one films cinematography and clarity against another. They weren't shot or mastered the same way. It's apples to oranges.

For me it's just that I was blown away by the BD of Oblivion when it first came out. I was expecting to be blown away again by the UHD BD. That is what Lucy did but not Oblivion.

ray0414 · 08-12-2016, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

Where they shot with the same cameras? Same cinematography? Same post production grading?

No? Then you can't compare them. That's like being mad that Ghostbusters doesn't look like Revenant. Oblivion is not as good looking as it could be, but at the end of the day it'd never look like Lucy due to the simple fact that it is NOT Lucy. We had these same complaints back in the early days of Blu-Ray as well.

Your logic is incorrect.

The current reference 4k blu rays that were shot in 4k and finished in 4k, all have the same sharpness and "look".

This includes:

Smurfs 2
Sicario
Revenant
Lucy

Also, Smurfs 2 and Oblivion used sony cinealta F65 4k cameras for about the entire movie. Lucy used the F65 but but not exclusively.

Had oblivion gotten it's DI in 4k, it would just as sharp as the other above movies. And then the upscale process screwed up the sharpness, this movie was MEANT to be sharp.

Also, I've got multiple people on AVS telling me that the vudu version also has spots of softness.

darkedgex · 08-12-2016, 03:33 PM

From Wikipedia–

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Oblivion was filmed with Sony's CineAlta F65 camera, which was shipped in January 2012. A Red Epic was also used for scenes that required going handheld or when body mount rigging was applied. The film was shot in 4K resolution in Sony's proprietary raw image format, but for cost reasons (and over Kosinski's protests), both the digital intermediate and final version were done at 2K resolution.

There are sources in the article, though I have not double-checked them to verify the bolded portion above that I highlighted. That is disappointing though, if true. I can't imagine the cost of doing a 4K DI really adding that much to the budget that actors and VFX costs wouldn't eclipse in comparison (put another way, it seems like it would be a small portion of the budget to future-proof the studios total investment).

ray0414 · 08-12-2016, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by darkedgex

From Wikipedia–

There are sources in the article, though I have not double-checked them to verify the bolded portion above that I highlighted. That is disappointing though, if true. I can't imagine the cost of doing a 4K DI really adding that much to the budget that actors and VFX costs wouldn't eclipse in comparison (put another way, it seems like it would be a small portion of the budget to future-proof the studios total investment).

The filmmakers ran out of time and had a deadline to meet. Had to skip the 4k mastering process.

Brahmzy · 08-12-2016, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414

The filmmakers ran out of time and had a deadline to meet. Had to skip the 4k mastering process.

May I please get my $48 back for both Oblivion and Lone Survivor UHDs?

reanimator · 08-12-2016, 06:39 PM

Could somebody give me a specific shot in OBLIVION that you're saying looks "soft?"

dunnbluray · 08-12-2016, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by reanimator

Could somebody give me a specific shot in OBLIVION that you're saying looks "soft?"

I would like an example as well. Just because it's posted on AVSF doesn't make it absolute. I'm going to watch Lucy in UHD this weekend on Vudu. I can compare to see if there is quite a difference. I think we need to keep in mind the TV it's being watched on and the calibration. If I change a setting on my TV, it can make quite the difference.

Brahmzy · 08-13-2016, 02:12 AM

From the opening scenes in Oblivion and pretty much throughout. I'm watching on a 75" 940D so I can see EVERYTHING. Defitely sub par from the 1080p BD.

eddievanhalen · 08-13-2016, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Brahmzy

From the opening scenes in Oblivion and pretty much throughout. I'm watching on a 75" 940D so I can see EVERYTHING. Defitely sub par from the 1080p BD.

You mean that the Oblivion UHD Blu ray looks actually worse than the 1080p BD?

ray0414 · 08-13-2016, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

You mean that the Oblivion UHD Blu ray looks actually worse than the 1080p BD?

Resolution/sharpness wise, yes, and if you're very familiar with the movies it's immediately noticeable. But the colors and hdr look great.

I'm gonna do some pix if I can.

ray0414 · 08-13-2016, 03:43 AM

oblivion blu ray vs "4k" version.

by the way, the colors at the detault settings are incredibly muted. I had to use "hdr+" and dynamic mode on my K8500 to make it look "normal". besides the resolution, it looks fantastic. But its heartbreaking seeing such a reference quality blu ray loose what made it reference quality on BD.

pay attention to textures. on the 4k version, the texture is completely "smoothed" over. toms face, the tree bark, the inner part of the crater of the pentagon. look at the sharpness and defintion of tom cruises eyes. Horrendous. Throughout the movie you will see texture for sure, but on the BD the texture is just so much more defined and clean.

Dubstar · 08-13-2016, 03:53 AM

^ oh good f***ing grief ....really?? (Two steps forward two steps back)

FilmFreakosaurus · 08-13-2016, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dubstar

^ oh good f***ing grief ....really?? (Two steps forward two steps back)

Universal botched this one. Oblivion is a catalog title now and you know how much they "love" catalog titles.

ray0414 · 08-13-2016, 04:06 AM

A regular poster over at AVS tonight tried watching it, said he made it to the football stadium and shut it off, he knew right away that the people claiming softness were spot on, and didnt want to even bother watching the rest and basically ruining the BD experience. such a shame because the HDR and colors are great once you adjust them, coulda been reference if done right.

FilmFreakosaurus · 08-13-2016, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ray0414

A regular poster over at AVS tonight tried watching it, said he made it to the football stadium and shut it off, he knew right away that the people claiming softness were spot on, and didnt want to even bother watching the rest and basically ruining the BD experience. such a shame because the HDR and colors are great once you adjust them.

It's also a shame because this one has the Dolby Atmos track.

08-12-2016, 07:08 AM	#263
Opips3 Banned Member since:Mar 2015 4K collection:43 Blu-ray collection:354 Blu-ray reviews:2	That's sad! All 2K DI finished mastered with 2K VFX rendered. It's problem for 4K. So need upscales to 4K. Best natived film 4K or higher mastered to 4K like ping pong! -35mm negative film working on scanned 4K to 4K. Look very exellence picture with HDR. I stick to Sony finished work done on all Sony films are 4K scanned!

08-12-2016, 11:26 AM	#265
wesslan Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2010 Location:Sweden Blu-ray reviews:1	Might be since DV needs a own hdr grading (they do 4000 nits and 12-bits if I'm not mistaken and sometimes higher) so would be very very interesting to see comparisons for UHD HDR10 vs vudu DV on this.

08-12-2016, 06:39 PM	#271
reanimator Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2008 4K collection:2210 Blu-ray collection:3889	Could somebody give me a specific shot in OBLIVION that you're saying looks "soft?"

08-13-2016, 02:12 AM	#273
Brahmzy Senior Member Member since:Dec 2014 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Digital collection:- iTunes collection:- Trading Score:28	From the opening scenes in Oblivion and pretty much throughout. I'm watching on a 75" 940D so I can see EVERYTHING. Defitely sub par from the 1080p BD.

08-13-2016, 03:43 AM	#276
ray0414 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2015 Location:Michigan, USA, 35yo Trading Score:9	oblivion blu ray vs "4k" version. by the way, the colors at the detault settings are incredibly muted. I had to use "hdr+" and dynamic mode on my K8500 to make it look "normal". besides the resolution, it looks fantastic. But its heartbreaking seeing such a reference quality blu ray loose what made it reference quality on BD. pay attention to textures. on the 4k version, the texture is completely "smoothed" over. toms face, the tree bark, the inner part of the crater of the pentagon. look at the sharpness and defintion of tom cruises eyes. Horrendous. Throughout the movie you will see texture for sure, but on the BD the texture is just so much more defined and clean.

08-13-2016, 03:53 AM	#277
Dubstar Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:down at Fraggle Rock Home Theater Gallery:1 4K collection:201 Blu-ray collection:1953 DVD collection:304 MA collection:4 Digital collection:33 Trading Score:29	^ oh good f***ing grief ....really?? (Two steps forward two steps back)

08-13-2016, 04:06 AM	#279
ray0414 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2015 Location:Michigan, USA, 35yo Trading Score:9	A regular poster over at AVS tonight tried watching it, said he made it to the football stadium and shut it off, he knew right away that the people claiming softness were spot on, and didnt want to even bother watching the rest and basically ruining the BD experience. such a shame because the HDR and colors are great once you adjust them, coulda been reference if done right.

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