Oblivion 4K UHD (2013)

[shield80]

Originally Posted by shield80

And still the blue ray is reference Quality, wonder why

I saw in a Review that digital noise reduction was applied to in the 4K. and of course it will pop more with HDR not always, but when the 4K disc is blurrier then the BD disc then you know that something was done wrong when they mastered it.

Well maybe on your un-calibrated Oled it would crush the blacks a little.but I don't have any problem with Morgan Freemans dark scene after my oled was calibrated.

What did I write at the bottom of the page?

[shield80]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

From the guy who some time ago posted screenshots of Morgan Freeman lighting up a cigar in the dark because he wanted to know why those shots looked so bad on bluray

Not bad,I see you are paying attention,I was wondering if I might be clipping in that scene and if it should be that way,don't put words in my mouth

[OI8T12]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

Considering that tone is brightness, deepness, or hue of a tint or shade of a color, it can't be either freakishly sharp or detailed. So sounds like you're just making stuff up without actually knowing what you're talking about.

He's been doing this since Feb. 2016. He's a troll. Plain and simple.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

Here are the dynamic range stats for both the Atmos and DTSMA tracks for Oblivion.

The Atmos track is more dynamic, by total tracks average of 2.55dB, than the DTSMA track.

There is more limiting applied to the DTSMA track which does help tame a few errant peaks found in the Atmos track but sacrifices some separation and depth in the mix. The DTSMA will be a bit more punchy and a bit more flat, which many prefer and in particular with the bass, while the Atmos track will breath a bit more and provide some latitude to turn it up some more with less fatigue. The Atmos center channel gets to breath a bit more and avoids canning the audio quality as much as the DTSMA track.

Atmos: ITU-R BS.1770-3 Loudness: -18.13 LUFS

DTSMA: ITU-R BS.1770-3 Loudness: -15.58 LUFS

[Show spoiler]
Oblivion Atmos

Channel 1 Channel 2 Channel 3 Channel 4 Channel 5 Channel 6 Channel 7 Channel 8
Peak Amplitude: -0.02 dB -0.02 dB -0.02 dB -1.21 dB -1.49 dB -1.50 dB -0.02 dB -0.02 dB
True Peak Amplitude: 0.04 dBTP 0.18 dBTP 0.86 dBTP -1.21 dBTP -1.45 dBTP -1.42 dBTP -0.02 dBTP 0.00 dBTP
Maximum Sample Value: 32705.94 32704.56 32706.13 28423.13 27591.97 27571.25 32702.88 32705.13
Minimum Sample Value: -32706.06 -32704.50 -32706.06 -28513.13 -27589.84 -27571.56 -30672.50 -32704.00
Possibly Clipped Samples: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total RMS Amplitude: -25.45 dB -25.26 dB -23.89 dB -31.13 dB -36.69 dB -37.58 dB -35.61 dB -36.04 dB
Maximum RMS Amplitude: -4.16 dB -4.77 dB -4.36 dB -6.32 dB -7.41 dB -7.97 dB -8.50 dB -5.89 dB
Minimum RMS Amplitude: -88.18 dB -91.27 dB -91.34 dB -133.34 dB -110.69 dB -110.49 dB -101.79 dB -104.21 dB
Average RMS Amplitude: -37.78 dB -37.74 dB -38.98 dB -75.18 dB -51.03 dB -51.66 dB -48.61 dB -48.68 dB
DC Offset: 0.00 % 0.00 % -0.01 % 0.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 %
Measured Bit Depth: 22 21 23 20 23 22 23 23
Dynamic Range: 84.03 dB 86.51 dB 86.98 dB 127.02 dB 103.28 dB 102.52 dB 93.28 dB 98.32 dB
Dynamic Range Used: 67.85 dB 70.15 dB 77.05 dB 121.85 dB 72.55 dB 72.25 dB 66.10 dB 66.90 dB
Loudness (Legacy): -19.69 dB -20.04 dB -16.48 dB -22.39 dB -32.04 dB -32.65 dB -30.57 dB -31.92 dB
Perceived Loudness (Legacy): -19.85 dB -19.03 dB -12.12 dB -19.07 dB -30.30 dB -30.85 dB -29.93 dB -30.49 dB

ITU-R BS.1770-3 Loudness: -18.13 LUFS

0dB = FS Square Wave
Using RMS Window of 50.00 ms
Account for DC = true


Oblivion DTSMA


Channel 1 Channel 2 Channel 3 Channel 4 Channel 5 Channel 6 Channel 7 Channel 8
Peak Amplitude: -1.20 dB -1.20 dB -1.20 dB -1.20 dB -2.14 dB -1.91 dB -1.91 dB -1.90 dB
True Peak Amplitude: -1.07 dBTP -0.94 dBTP -0.77 dBTP -1.20 dBTP -2.11 dBTP -1.91 dBTP -1.87 dBTP -1.84 dBTP
Maximum Sample Value: 28546.61 28551.42 28553.85 28535.71 25622.65 26297.36 26304.46 26317.91
Minimum Sample Value: -28551.55 -28545.81 -28547.23 -28535.33 -25622.23 -25617.80 -26311.43 -26310.09
Possibly Clipped Samples: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total RMS Amplitude: -22.55 dB -22.62 dB -20.68 dB -24.99 dB -32.73 dB -33.63 dB -31.70 dB -32.46 dB
Maximum RMS Amplitude: -2.56 dB -3.15 dB -3.00 dB -2.25 dB -3.52 dB -4.16 dB -5.25 dB -5.78 dB
Minimum RMS Amplitude: -100.98 dB -98.29 dB -85.47 dB -133.24 dB -99.83 dB -100.10 dB -91.86 dB -93.78 dB
Average RMS Amplitude: -34.94 dB -35.02 dB -36.08 dB -66.10 dB -47.06 dB -47.74 dB -44.82 dB -44.94 dB
DC Offset: 0.00 % 0.00 % 0.01 % 0.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 %
Measured Bit Depth: 24 24 24 24 24 24 24 24
Dynamic Range: 98.43 dB 95.14 dB 82.47 dB 130.99 dB 96.31 dB 95.93 dB 86.61 dB 88.00 dB
Dynamic Range Used: 68.40 dB 69.95 dB 74.60 dB 111.90 dB 71.45 dB 71.50 dB 66.15 dB 66.05 dB
Loudness (Legacy): -17.03 dB -16.70 dB -11.59 dB -12.16 dB -28.52 dB -29.69 dB -26.71 dB -28.47 dB
Perceived Loudness (Legacy): -15.82 dB -15.39 dB -9.41 dB -14.79 dB -26.62 dB -27.02 dB -25.98 dB -26.75 dB

ITU-R BS.1770-3 Loudness: -15.58 LUFS

0dB = FS Square Wave
Using RMS Window of 50.00 ms
Account for DC = true

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

Here are the dynamic range stats for both the Atmos and DTSMA tracks for Oblivion.

The Atmos track is more dynamic, by total tracks average of 2.55dB, than the DTSMA track.

There is more limiting applied to the DTSMA track which does help tame a few errant peaks found in the Atmos track but sacrifices some separation and depth in the mix. The DTSMA will be a bit more punchy and a bit more flat, which many prefer and in particular with the bass, while the Atmos track will breath a bit more and provide some latitude to turn it up some more with less fatigue. The Atmos center channel gets to breath a bit more and avoids canning the audio quality as much as the DTSMA track.

Atmos: ITU-R BS.1770-3 Loudness: -18.13 LUFS

DTSMA: ITU-R BS.1770-3 Loudness: -15.58 LUFS

[Show spoiler]
Oblivion Atmos

Channel 1 Channel 2 Channel 3 Channel 4 Channel 5 Channel 6 Channel 7 Channel 8
Peak Amplitude: -0.02 dB -0.02 dB -0.02 dB -1.21 dB -1.49 dB -1.50 dB -0.02 dB -0.02 dB
True Peak Amplitude: 0.04 dBTP 0.18 dBTP 0.86 dBTP -1.21 dBTP -1.45 dBTP -1.42 dBTP -0.02 dBTP 0.00 dBTP
Maximum Sample Value: 32705.94 32704.56 32706.13 28423.13 27591.97 27571.25 32702.88 32705.13
Minimum Sample Value: -32706.06 -32704.50 -32706.06 -28513.13 -27589.84 -27571.56 -30672.50 -32704.00
Possibly Clipped Samples: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total RMS Amplitude: -25.45 dB -25.26 dB -23.89 dB -31.13 dB -36.69 dB -37.58 dB -35.61 dB -36.04 dB
Maximum RMS Amplitude: -4.16 dB -4.77 dB -4.36 dB -6.32 dB -7.41 dB -7.97 dB -8.50 dB -5.89 dB
Minimum RMS Amplitude: -88.18 dB -91.27 dB -91.34 dB -133.34 dB -110.69 dB -110.49 dB -101.79 dB -104.21 dB
Average RMS Amplitude: -37.78 dB -37.74 dB -38.98 dB -75.18 dB -51.03 dB -51.66 dB -48.61 dB -48.68 dB
DC Offset: 0.00 % 0.00 % -0.01 % 0.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 %
Measured Bit Depth: 22 21 23 20 23 22 23 23
Dynamic Range: 84.03 dB 86.51 dB 86.98 dB 127.02 dB 103.28 dB 102.52 dB 93.28 dB 98.32 dB
Dynamic Range Used: 67.85 dB 70.15 dB 77.05 dB 121.85 dB 72.55 dB 72.25 dB 66.10 dB 66.90 dB
Loudness (Legacy): -19.69 dB -20.04 dB -16.48 dB -22.39 dB -32.04 dB -32.65 dB -30.57 dB -31.92 dB
Perceived Loudness (Legacy): -19.85 dB -19.03 dB -12.12 dB -19.07 dB -30.30 dB -30.85 dB -29.93 dB -30.49 dB

ITU-R BS.1770-3 Loudness: -18.13 LUFS

0dB = FS Square Wave
Using RMS Window of 50.00 ms
Account for DC = true


Oblivion DTSMA


Channel 1 Channel 2 Channel 3 Channel 4 Channel 5 Channel 6 Channel 7 Channel 8
Peak Amplitude: -1.20 dB -1.20 dB -1.20 dB -1.20 dB -2.14 dB -1.91 dB -1.91 dB -1.90 dB
True Peak Amplitude: -1.07 dBTP -0.94 dBTP -0.77 dBTP -1.20 dBTP -2.11 dBTP -1.91 dBTP -1.87 dBTP -1.84 dBTP
Maximum Sample Value: 28546.61 28551.42 28553.85 28535.71 25622.65 26297.36 26304.46 26317.91
Minimum Sample Value: -28551.55 -28545.81 -28547.23 -28535.33 -25622.23 -25617.80 -26311.43 -26310.09
Possibly Clipped Samples: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total RMS Amplitude: -22.55 dB -22.62 dB -20.68 dB -24.99 dB -32.73 dB -33.63 dB -31.70 dB -32.46 dB
Maximum RMS Amplitude: -2.56 dB -3.15 dB -3.00 dB -2.25 dB -3.52 dB -4.16 dB -5.25 dB -5.78 dB
Minimum RMS Amplitude: -100.98 dB -98.29 dB -85.47 dB -133.24 dB -99.83 dB -100.10 dB -91.86 dB -93.78 dB
Average RMS Amplitude: -34.94 dB -35.02 dB -36.08 dB -66.10 dB -47.06 dB -47.74 dB -44.82 dB -44.94 dB
DC Offset: 0.00 % 0.00 % 0.01 % 0.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 %
Measured Bit Depth: 24 24 24 24 24 24 24 24
Dynamic Range: 98.43 dB 95.14 dB 82.47 dB 130.99 dB 96.31 dB 95.93 dB 86.61 dB 88.00 dB
Dynamic Range Used: 68.40 dB 69.95 dB 74.60 dB 111.90 dB 71.45 dB 71.50 dB 66.15 dB 66.05 dB
Loudness (Legacy): -17.03 dB -16.70 dB -11.59 dB -12.16 dB -28.52 dB -29.69 dB -26.71 dB -28.47 dB
Perceived Loudness (Legacy): -15.82 dB -15.39 dB -9.41 dB -14.79 dB -26.62 dB -27.02 dB -25.98 dB -26.75 dB

ITU-R BS.1770-3 Loudness: -15.58 LUFS

0dB = FS Square Wave
Using RMS Window of 50.00 ms
Account for DC = true

I noticed with Atmos things sounded real low at times until we hit scenes like with the bubbleship flying around. I had to go from cranking up master volume to -7dbls to turn it down to -16dbls depending on the scene

[KMFDMvsEnya]

That is interesting that you have to change the volume that drastically.

Here are a pair of pictures of the waveforms of the respective tracks.

Sorry they are so small, guess I have exhausted my free space on the site.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

That is interesting that you have to change the volume that drastically.

Here are a pair of pictures of the waveforms of the respective tracks.

Sorry they are so small, guess I have exhausted my free space on the site.

So is this just related exclusively to my personal surround sound settings? I have Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume/compression all off

[KMFDMvsEnya]

I am not saying you are wrong to make that adjustment or setup is incorrect.
Simply an observation.

I am rarely in the camp of "Louder is Better" but I do not like extremes in dynamic range either. Such as whisper quite dialogue then an onslaught of the "Wall of Sound", especially if the WoS is due to excessive compression brick walling, ugh.

[Brahmzy]

Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

That is interesting that you have to change the volume that drastically.

Here are a pair of pictures of the waveforms of the respective tracks.

Sorry they are so small, guess I have exhausted my free space on the site.

That's some great brick-wall compression going on there - thanks for the waveform pics.

[GasmaskAvenger]

Despite this 4K UHD's lousy reputation, I just picked it up at Target for $10, slipcover and all.

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by GasmaskAvenger

Despite this 4K UHD's lousy reputation, I just picked it up at Target for $10, slipcover and all.

nice pickup. The regular blu ray is worth paying $10 regardless.

[RockyIII]

I got mine for $13 a while back...Can't wait to play this again on my new UST laser projector!

[ROSS.T.G.]

The straight to video release is more expensive...

[RockyIII]

Oblivion 4K and Edge of Tomorrow 4K are visual feasts, love them both

[Brahmzy]

Originally Posted by rockyiii

oblivion 4k and edge of tomorrow 4k are blurry feasts, love them both

ftsfy

[Geoff D]

Heh, I'd love to see Edge of Tomorrow on 4K disc sometime. It was shot anamorphic so isn't the last word in searing sharpness irrespective of the 2K upscale.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Heh, I'd love to see Edge of Tomorrow on 4K disc sometime. It was shot anamorphic so isn't the last word in searing sharpness irrespective of the 2K upscale.

I watched in DoVi on VuDu and let me tell you, it was amazing despite the obvious limtations of streaming

[evoll]

Watched this tonight and thought this was a nice upgrade over the Blu Ray after sampling both and looking at various scenes. The color/hdr was great looking and as for it being not sharp I did add +4 in the oppo sharpness setting which looked good without adding any artifacts. The Atmos sounded great as well, My son came in and asked what movie was I watching because it looked good so he ended up watching it with me.

[Member-222782]

I popped this in last night and thoroughly enjoyed revisiting the film. My only complaint about it is that it's too sleek. 4K clarity brings out the polish even more, giving the film a sort of artificial look all-around. A little grittiness would've gone a long way toward authenticity IMO. Anyway, the UHD looked good to my eyes. At no time did I think the PQ looked soft. Maybe I have the wrong idea about what softness constitutes in this age of 4K but I don't think this looks bad at all.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Cinema74

I popped this in last night and thoroughly enjoyed revisiting the film. My only complaint about it is that it's too sleek. 4K clarity brings out the polish even more, giving the film a sort of artificial look all-around. A little grittiness would've gone a long way toward authenticity IMO. Anyway, the UHD looked good to my eyes. At no time did I think the PQ looked soft. Maybe I have the wrong idea about what softness constitutes in this age of 4K but I don't think this looks bad at all.

This 4K is anything but soft. Planning on watching it tonight on my new Ultra Short Throw laser projector on 100" screen!

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