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Old 04-03-2018, 05:13 PM   #3461
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Here's the full text of my write-up on Nolan's talk at the Tata NCPA theatre Mumbai, on April 1, 2018.

Celluloid can coexist with digital

Christopher Nolan, Tacita Dean & Shivendra Singh Dungarpur highlight why analog film should survive as an artist’s medium of choice.

1/4/2018, Mumbai

Nariman Point, Mumbai is always filled with eager tourists sitting on the shores of the Arabian Sea, hand in hand or on the boulders, posing for pictures. There’s another kind of visitor that soars above the sea of people, the black eagle; gracefully gliding with the cool currents of air from the sea. Seeing around, one finds a thick canopy of urbanisation. The eagle is a reminder of the beautiful organic world we were gifted; which we are rapidly losing in favour of mindless “progress,” unless we become conscious. The public event at the Tata Theatre, NCPA, on the eve of April 1, was a discussion of a comparatively analogous nature.

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The discussion was about dispelling the myths about celluloid film and creating awareness about the need for its existence in the digital world, as an artist’s medium of creative expression. The event began with the resounding footsteps of Shivendra Singh Dungarpur walking towards the dais from behind the curtains, to introduce the speakers. This is the man who recognised the urgent need to save India’s celluloid cinema heritage as it lay in neglect. He has helped restore Indian classics that would have been lost otherwise. His not-for-profit organisation, Film Heritage Foundation was presenting the fourth edition of ‘Reframing the future of Film,’ which began in 2015.

The event was sold out and it was easy to see why. Most Indian cinephiles had come to see Christopher Nolan in flesh and blood. He is one filmmaker who is perhaps as popular as any film star across the world. This was evident when he arrived, the previous evening, at the art deco Liberty Cinema, to present his film ‘Interstellar’ on 35mm film projection. A young crowd had repeatedly been chanting his name in Chorus. The reactions were equally heart-warming here.

The talk began with visual artist Tacita Dean, who like Nolan, only works with celluloid. She recalled how in 2011 she found to her shock that the laboratory where she used to process her films had stopped printing of 16mm film. This led to her founding savefilm.org and writing to filmmakers like Steven Spielberg and Martin Scorsese, who still shoot on film, for support. She called it an existential crisis and said film is a medium of choice for an artist like herself, not a technology.

Mr. Dungarpur then asked Mr. Nolan to shed light on the misconception regarding the love for film being termed nostalgia. The ‘Inception’ filmmaker replied that “nostalgia” is a term people use to deliberately dismiss something by putting it in a box. He added that there was a propaganda to promote emerging digital cinema technology by trying to paint celluloid as a thing of the past; as antique and digital being synonymous with progress. He said that an artist should always have freedom of choice and not be forced to toe the line.

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(From left) Jeff Clarke (CEO, Kodak), Tacita Dean, Christopher Nolan and Shivendra Singh Dungarpur (standing on stage).

Regarding the issue of whether the story was the most important element in movies, Nolan said cinema is a visual medium and filmmakers aren’t making radio plays or writing novels. The creation of the image is of paramount importance. That is where film as a medium of image acquisition comes into play. The medium should be important to the artist.

Nolan also brought attention to the fact that today, 4k televisions have caught up with 2k digital projection in cinemas. And there is something of an arms race going on as to which can look better. But the science behind digital imaging makes sure that apart from the difference in resolution, images in 2k or 4k feel the same. Film on the other hand, has a unique look that does not feel like television or a digital image. This is especially evident to filmmakers who are shooting and finishing movies digitally. They are watching a movie develop in a monitor rather than screen the rushes from developed film.

The 35mm print of ‘Interstellar’ that was projected at the Liberty Cinema in Marine Lines, on the second day of the ‘Reframing the future of Film’ event, was an outstanding showcase of the power of projected film. The images had deeper and richer colours with a soothing quality that digital projections lack; while also revealing fine details that don’t feel organic on digital.

Drawing an analogy with human visual perception, Tacita Dean said digital “sees” things while film “looks” at them intimately. Perhaps there is a disconnect with digital because unlike life, it isn’t an organic process, which film is. The silver halide crystals and chemicals react with light leading to the creation of a tangible visual material unlike digital, which exists in the digital space as ones and zeros and cannot be touched or held against the light.

The guests also talked about the fact that because film runs out, there is a discipline that develops. Filmmakers learned editing to create consistency of storytelling by thinking hard on the need to use run out film rolls effectively. With digital, there’s no running out and as a result that discipline of internalising editing may be hampered.

Nolan reminded his listeners that there’s no stable form of archiving digitally but a film negative lasts more than a person’s lifetime in proper climate controlled facilities. To this, Shivendra Singh Dungarpur highlighted the mournful state of film preservation in India where filmmakers prefer a digital archived copy than restoring/preserving the film itself.

Tacita Dean added she maintains a puritanical attitude on projecting films on film and not allowing digital copies of her work to be made. She also said there was a “digital exhaustion” setting in and people were waking up to the refreshing possibilities of watching something unfold on an organic medium like film.

Nolan added that the dialogue was no longer about film versus digital but about a need for the co-existence of both side by side and allowing the artist to be able make the choice. Tacita Dean said that in India’s case, the country needs a dedicated film museum that celebrates both celluloid art and celluloid cinema.

As for what it means to the exhibitors of cinema, Nolan said those that those that control the money, need to be shown that there’s enough interest from people in attending a celluloid screening and there’s economic potential in there.

The most promising announcement was made by Jeff Clarke. He is the current CEO of Kodak; the only remaining manufacturer of motion picture film. He said that they are going to create an ecosystem where shooting on film and processing it in India will become very much a reality for Indian filmmakers once more. This initiative will begin with the expansion of Filmlab, a post-production facility in Mumbai.

If one were to close with an analogy, Nolan, Dean and Dungarpur are like those black eagles. They have a sharp vision but are threatened by a world that favours “progress” by discarding everything that was organic and hence “old.” Thankfully, black eagles are not an endangered species.

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Old 04-07-2018, 01:44 AM   #3462
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I'm jealous, Riddhi. I'd kill to go to a special exhibition like that. Hell, even see Interstellar in 35mm.

In other news, Wonder Woman 2 will have select sequences filmed with IMAX film cameras. Also, Damien Chazelle's Neil Armstrong biopic will have select sequences in IMAX as well.

Venom and The Lion King remake will have some scenes specially formatted for IMAX.

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Old 04-07-2018, 04:33 AM   #3463
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Exciting to hear about First Man using IMAX cameras.

I saw the new IMAX/WB collaboration documentary Pandas today. As reviews have mentioned it is definitely one of the better ones (though Hubble is easily my favorite).

While I wished they showed it at the IMAX laser site, it still looked great on IMAX digital. Other than one couple minute sequence (which was presented in a smaller aspect ratio and 2D), the rest of the film was shot in full IMAX (and would be 1:43 at laser/film sites according to IMDB). Also appears to have been photochemically finished as I noticed a credit for "IMAX 70mm interpositive assembly". As expected given the type of film, it is not a showcase for their sound system, I only noticed the overheads in the 12 Channel set up used for two waterfall effects and songs.
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Old 04-17-2018, 03:06 AM   #3464
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Does anyone know of any IMAX Scenes that'll be included Deadpool 2 or Solo: A Star Wars Story?
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Old 04-17-2018, 04:42 PM   #3465
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Does anyone know of any IMAX Scenes that'll be included Deadpool 2 or Solo: A Star Wars Story?
After the shit they pulled with The Last Jedi (Filming scenes in IMAX but letterboxing the final product!! ), I am giving up any hope that Solo will be projected at 1.9
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Old 04-21-2018, 05:48 PM   #3466
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With exception of Marvel Studios and Nolan films, most movies released on IMAX are in scope. In my opinion, it's a waste of money to see a movie on a huge screen only to be distracted by thick black bars on top and bottom and be reminded that I could have saved my hard-earned money and just seen it at a normal scope screen. IMAX doesn't care much nowadays. It's after all a business. As long as clueless people buy tickets, they aren't bothered.
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Old 04-21-2018, 06:20 PM   #3467
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With exception of Marvel Studios and Nolan films, most movies released on IMAX are in scope. In my opinion, it's a waste of money to see a movie on a huge screen only to be distracted by thick black bars on top and bottom and be reminded that I could have saved my hard-earned money and just seen it at a normal scope screen. IMAX doesn't care much nowadays. It's after all a business. As long as clueless people buy tickets, they aren't bothered.
It depends on the theater.

If you are talking about the IMAX laser at Lincoln Square, the screen is 100 feet wide, so where I like to sit (6 or 7 rows back) a scope film basically fills my field of view anyway and I barely notice the letterboxing, and the picture and sound quality is dramatically improved from a regular multiplex screen. Then with Kips Bay the IMAX screen is scope, so it works really well for most films that play there, though you have to be a bit careful with expanded ratio or 1.85 films as they usually crop them to scope there (Riddick being the one exception I've personally seen). Though with say Penn Station, the smaller screen, letterboxing on most pictures, and no upgraded seating or sound means I go there less often.
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Old 04-21-2018, 10:17 PM   #3468
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It depends on the theater.

If you are talking about the IMAX laser at Lincoln Square, the screen is 100 feet wide, so where I like to sit (6 or 7 rows back) a scope film basically fills my field of view anyway and I barely notice the letterboxing, and the picture and sound quality is dramatically improved from a regular multiplex screen. Then with Kips Bay the IMAX screen is scope, so it works really well for most films that play there, though you have to be a bit careful with expanded ratio or 1.85 films as they usually crop them to scope there (Riddick being the one exception I've personally seen). Though with say Penn Station, the smaller screen, letterboxing on most pictures, and no upgraded seating or sound means I go there less often.
It's differs here too. The IMAX laser screen here presents scope films filling the bottom half of the screen and the letterboxing fills the top, which you do not notice even from the back row.
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Not sure if this is the best thread to post this in but I figured it might be get the most attention here since there isn't a UHD thread yet (though it might be old news to some, not sure).

Anyway, Solo is looking to be a 4K DI! The DCP specs for Infinity War just came out and the attached Solo trailer is listed as being 4K. Looks like Lucasfilm is getting pretty comfortable with 4K DIs now which is awesome.

Infinity War on the other hand is a 2K DCP. Oh well, camera source being what it is it should still look great.
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Not sure if this is the best thread to post this in but I figured it might be get the most attention here since there isn't a UHD thread yet (though it might be old news to some, not sure).

Anyway, Solo is looking to be a 4K DI! The DCP specs for Infinity War just came out and the attached Solo trailer is listed as being 4K. Looks like Lucasfilm is getting pretty comfortable with 4K DIs now which is awesome.

Infinity War on the other hand is a 2K DCP. Oh well, camera source being what it is it should still look great.
IMAX will have a 4K DCP for Infinity War (I know all IMAX laser releases are with being custom designed for the dual 4K projectors, but from what I hear the digital DCPs are done in 4K as well). So combined with the expanded format, seems even more like the obvious best choice to see the movie in.
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It's differs here too. The IMAX laser screen here presents scope films filling the bottom half of the screen and the letterboxing fills the top, which you do not notice even from the back row.
It'd be a much better experience if they pushed the scope image down in all IMAX 1.89:1 screens and then covered the black bars at the top with curtains, which come down from the ceiling.
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Old 04-23-2018, 01:13 AM   #3472
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I think I am going to wait 2 weeks before seeing IW at Udvar.... opening weekend will be nuts...even for Sunday night.
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Old 04-23-2018, 09:46 AM   #3473
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IMAX will have a 4K DCP for Infinity War (I know all IMAX laser releases are with being custom designed for the dual 4K projectors, but from what I hear the digital DCPs are done in 4K as well). So combined with the expanded format, seems even more like the obvious best choice to see the movie in.
I thought IMAX did all their DCPs inc. xenon as well as laser at 4K anyway, i.e. during their special sauce processing they just uprez it if it's not native 4K, so it's not like a proper 4K rebuild or anything.

Shame that IW's getting a 2K DCP but eh, it's Marvel. They're much less concerned about getting 4K versions out there than Lucasfilm.
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Wait, I thought Infinity War was getting a 4K DI.

Unless the 2K DCP is for IMAX Xenon.
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I thought IMAX did all their DCPs inc. xenon as well as laser at 4K anyway, i.e. during their special sauce processing they just uprez it if it's not native 4K, so it's not like a proper 4K rebuild or anything.

Shame that IW's getting a 2K DCP but eh, it's Marvel. They're much less concerned about getting 4K versions out there than Lucasfilm.
Yes, that's what I meant about custom IMAX 4K DCPs (I know for laser, and thought they were for xenon digital as well). Obviously one would prefer 4K native, but I do think IMAX special sauce upscaling should still provide benefits over theaters limited to 2K files.
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Yes, that's what I meant about custom IMAX 4K DCPs (I know for laser, and thought they were for xenon digital as well). Obviously one would prefer 4K native, but I do think IMAX special sauce upscaling should still provide benefits over theaters limited to 2K files.
Upscaling certainly works a treat on most 2K UHDs
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Old 04-23-2018, 01:26 PM   #3477
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Wait, I thought Infinity War was getting a 4K DI.

Unless the 2K DCP is for IMAX Xenon.
The standard 3D/2D DCPs are 2K. All IMAX DCPs are 4K, upscaled or not.

Same with Black Panther, it supposedly got a 4K finish (though this was next to useless given the sheer amount of 2K VFX) but the regular DCP was 2K.
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There's a separate thread on it now but just to reiterate for those who check this one; IMAX has apparently finished developing that smaller, cheaper version of their 4K laser system. AMC signed a deal to convert 87 of its IMAX locations to the format, while Cineworld (which also owns Regal) is converting 29 existing IMAX locations and adding 26 brand-new ones. They'll all have "luxury seating" and the 12-channel sound system.
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There's a separate thread on it now but just to reiterate for those who check this one; IMAX has apparently finished developing that smaller, cheaper version of their 4K laser system. AMC signed a deal to convert 87 of its IMAX locations to the format, while Cineworld (which also owns Regal) is converting 29 existing IMAX locations and adding 26 brand-new ones. They'll all have "luxury seating" and the 12-channel sound system.
I live near an IMAX laser screen. They recently retrofitted the place with the new luxury seating, which in fact are actually rocking chairs and they're pretty nice actually.
As for their IMAX 4K laser system, I truly can't tell the difference. The screen is already bright and clear, depending on how the movie was shot. It'll be interesting if anyone can tell the difference.
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Unforgivable that my local Premiere Cinema IMAX is not even showing Avengers: IW and instead running Rampage still this next week.
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