4K Movies Releases

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

Sony has a new SDK for a new 4K format with 12 bit color depth and support for 60 fps in 4K. ( remember that BD is 8bit color )
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/14/s...4k-video-spec/

cool

[Penton-Man]

Guys, thanks for all your condolences. Back in my formative years, I worked (sometimes helped out on a volunteer basis with no ‘perks’ offered… other than it made me feel good to care for other living creatures who seemed forgotten) at the local animal shelter and purposely avoided watching any euthanasia. That scenario was tough enough for me to cope with even if I barely knew the animals as it left conflicted questions in my mind….was it really necessary?, could anything else been done?, what if we had waited another week or month?, etc.

Our dog was like a family member to us because for over 10 years after we’d adopted him, he did so much with us (watching TV together, sleeping in the same bed together, going to the beach, the mountains, weddings, parties, etc.) so, to have to make *the ultimate decision* regarding someone like that who is so integral to your everyday life…and then taking responsibility to usher him through it so that he wouldn’t be afraid or feel all alone during his last moments on this earth in some back room where a stranger is sticking him with a needle, and more than once, if he can’t hit a vein the first time…well, my wife and I will never forget that miserable experience for the rest of our lives.

But, like some of you have commented, one has to do what is best for the dog…if you truly love him above all else and put aside any subconscious selfish motivations regarding prolonged companionship.

God it hurts though.

Our only true consolation in this is knowing that he could not have had a better life (his disease aside, which was incurable), as we always put him above ourselves, often making adjustments in our lifestyle which we considered not to be sacrifices at all, for he was so intelligent, devoted and social that he taught us more about living life with grace, honor and devotion than we could have ever imagined.

We, as well as other family members, often wondered if somehow, inside of him, was the spirit of one of our deceased parents (whom he was also very close to) because it was just uncanny the way he seemed to understand conversations and behaved in our presence, for example, looking at us and barking at certain times which stunned both of us…and our friends and family. Also, taking the initiative in certain situations too long and detailed to describe here. Dog behavior which I’d never seen before despite, as a child with my parents and then later on as a young adult owning many different reputedly smart breeds (several German Shepherds, Belgian Malinois, poodle, and Border Collie). Plus, I’d been always attracted to big, or at least bigger dogs, but this dog changed me…because he thought and acted with such apparent wisdom.

Our friend was truly in a class of his own and he will be sorely missed.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

cool

IF a variant not constrained to intra-frame encoding were developed and implemented, which scientific testing showed to be as efficient as HEVC and requiring the same or less processing power, then that would be sweet.

Like in the Blu-ray days of old, instead of VC-1 vs. AVC codec debates, we could have XAVC vs. HEVC debates after viewing those 4K BDs which employed the respective encoding.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

^ Addendum : https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...=1#post6724509

If I get some time, I’ll provide a collaborative reference to my remarks since this inequity has long been a topic of concern and frustration among DP’s and it applies to both 4K and 2K movie releases, irrespective of the rez.

If you read past all the film vs. digital camera debate, which seems perennial by now -

And scroll down to Mike Brewster -
“manipulation means anyone can change it, and there are very, very few DPs who have control of that, it depends on their contract. But there are very few who do, like directors, only very few have final cut these days. It is not the DP who controls the final look anymore, it’s whoever is in charge”.

Or, even more candid, scroll down to Tom Siegel…(who some of you may be familiar with as the guy who shot the exquisite ‘Drive’

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The Drive Movie Trailer 2011 Official Ryan Gosling - YouTube

“Sadly, there are just as many who think the DP is a nuisance and would love to get rid of him or her in the D.I. Nowadays, it is just as likely to have an editor, studio executive, spouse or a guy someone met in a bar last night in the DI as the cinematographer…and that’s not the end of it….And studio contracts with D.P.s don’t even give us the right to choose crew or the colorist, just to “consult”.

And then, some Dude named Vilmos ( http://globalcinematography.com/teachers.html )
had something to say…

“You would need a union to solve it but they won’t do anything because they are so scared of the producers during contract negotiations, the healthcare, working hours, etc. This is an artistic problem. The ASC is not able to help us because it’s an artistic organization…
They just want peace.
I am trying to get the Agents to put in the cinematographer’s contract that the final image control
is ours. At the moment, the director, editor, visual effects, or anybody who wants to ‘help’ (meaning to change colors, contrast, mood, the look) can do that”

See the link here for full comments - http://www.filmanddigitaltimes.com/w...e-Future-1.pdf

[vargo]

XAVC is just a recording spec, the codec used is still AVC.

For consumers it is not really that interesting, although more 4k cameras is of course a good thing.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Our friend was truly in a class of his own and he will be sorely missed.

That really stinks, I am sorry for your loss. Isn't it amazing how much we get attached to our pets?

I had a cat named Gretyl that was the nicest cat you'd ever meet. I was on the top level of a bunk bed growing up and she'd climb up the ladder at night and paw at my blanket until I lifted it up so she could get underneath it and sleep next to me each night. One night she tried to climb up but couldn't make it and fell off. She was getting old, and we found out that she had cancer. I was in college when we decided to put her to sleep because she couldn't move or see very well, but the morning I left for school that day I pet her for the last time and she instantly started to purr because she recognized me. That really tore me up inside. We had 3 cats at the time and now we only have one. My other cat Matta wasn't nearly as close to me as Gretyl was but she was nice as well, and I remember bringing her to the vet to put her to sleep as well. I could not be in the room when they put her down, though. I guess it's different for everyone (I can see why you wouldn't want him to be alone for his last moments, thankfully in my case there were other family members who were in the room) but I couldn't watch my pet die like that, even if it was peaceful.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

IF a variant not constrained to intra-frame encoding were developed and implemented, which scientific testing showed to be as efficient as HEVC and requiring the same or less processing power, then that would be sweet.

I am not sure what you mean by "not constrained to intra-frame encoding", It has been a long time since a Codec has been restrained to that (at least for every frame). That is why we have been talking about i, p and b frames at least since digital has been mainstream.

For those that don't know what is being discussed (and if I misunderstood PMs post I might be one of them), think of intra-frame encoding, like a j-peg, it is a single image and so you need to define all the pixels of the whole image. In Codecs like MPEG2, AVC, VC-1 those will be what we call i frames they are the foundation of the video. Then you have p and b frames, they are more or less the same thing and think of it this way, if you are watching the scrolling credits at the end, the image is mostly black and is the same from frame to frame so why would you define the whole image each frame and not just say "move the image X pixels up and then just describe the new black line or line of text that is added. And that is in essence what p and b frames do. Now obviously, like right after a cut scene, there are times when an i frame is needed, but it is usually not the CODEC that dictates how often one is needed but the format. For example on your BD player you need to be able to rew/ff at different speeds and pause/play/stop and that determines how often an i frame is needed or to what frames a p and b frame will refer to. For example on youtube have you ever had someone say "go to time 3:22” for example and you try and go at exactly that time but you can't and so you stop a few seconds earlier? that is because there is no i frame there and so the video player would not know how to build the image at that point exact point.

Like in the Blu-ray days of old, instead of VC-1 vs. AVC codec debates, we could have XAVC vs. HEVC debates after viewing those 4K BDs which employed the respective encoding.

not looking forward to that. I always found the discussions a bit ridiculous. A codec is a meaningless set of rules, it is what is done with them that will determine the outcome.

The job of a codec is to take the image and to save it in a more efficient manor. But as an end user all I care is about quality of image. Let's say there is a high bit rate MPEG-2 version of a film that is more true then a low bitrate AVC, why should I care if one is low bit-rate and the other is high bit-rate?

And like a said before the codec is a set of rules, it is nothing , it is stuff like "a block is 8x8 pixels".... it is the encoder (machine that compresses) that decides what is done with those rules and decide "this info is important so let's keep it" and "this info is not important so who cares if we lose it" that ultimately will determine what happens. So when you have two codecs that are as similar to each other as AVC and VC-1 it was funny to see people in different camps. Maybe the encoder used by A is better then the encoder used by B or maybe the technician that is tweaking the videos is better for C then D, none of these mean the codec used by the former is better then the one used by the latter.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by vargo

XAVC is just a recording spec, the codec used is still AVC.

For consumers it is not really that interesting, although more 4k cameras is of course a good thing.

it wasn't the XAVC that got my attention but the 60fps and 12bit colour.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

That really stinks, I am sorry for your loss. Isn't it amazing how much we get attached to our pets?

I had a cat named Gretyl...

It’s truly a double-edged sword. Those who don’t…or can’t, become extremely close to someone or some living thing by remaining aloof, clinical, or just plain lazy can miss out on a special experience in life…if the opportunity for a relationship presents itself.

On the other hand, they save themselves from the hurt and grief of the loss. It’s been a week now and still, during a few particular moments of the day and night when we are not buried in our busy daily responsibilities/schedules, my thoughts turn to him and I feel like someone punched me in the gut because of his absence.

We can’t have another dog (or cat) for I don’t think we can go through this yet again and plus, in our minds, in a subconscious, unintended fashion, I think we’d always be comparing the new family member to the Little Fella and that just wouldn’t be fair….for he was a Champion.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I am not sure what you mean by "not constrained to intra-frame encoding"...

Anthony, it’s not important. I just meant some sort of different format/implementation from the recently advertised XAVC 4K.

Scroll down to XAVC 4K (QFHD*)….. “Sony tames the gusher through this brilliant implementation of H.264/AVC Intra-frame encoding”
http://pro.sony.com/bbsccms/assets/f...F55_Camera.pdf

Yesterday’s news was the SR Codec (MPEG4 SStP, i.e. Simple Studio Profile ) -
http://provideocoalition.com/images/...0-DSC_4039.jpg

Seems like every couple of years the codec gurus are adding something new to the H.264/AVC standard… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

It’s truly a double-edged sword. Those who don’t…or can’t, become extremely close to someone or some living thing by remaining aloof, clinical, or just plain lazy can miss out on a special experience in life…if the opportunity for a relationship presents itself.

On the other hand, they save themselves from the hurt and grief of the loss. It’s been a week now and still, during a few particular moments of the day and night when we are not buried in our busy daily responsibilities/schedules, my thoughts turn to him and I feel like someone punched me in the gut because of his absence.

We can’t have another dog (or cat) for I don’t think we can go through this yet again and plus, in our minds, in a subconscious, unintended fashion, I think we’d always be comparing the new family member to the Little Fella and that just wouldn’t be fair….for he was a Champion.

Penton Man, do not rule out getting another pet. Of course you will be raw and feeling bad right now, but animals have a calming, relaxing influence and given the right care (you sound like an ideal pet owner given your obvious affection for your dog) the mutual benefits are worth it. Apart from all that the exercise is great and given the right surroundings, a nice walk is good for the mind (and of course the dog)
I have a photo above my desk right now of my dog and trust me, i know what it feels like to lose a loyal companion. Best wishes.

[Deciazulado]

This is being offered in addition to Blu-ray in various HR formats up to 2304p x (real) 4K

TimeScapes

[Brightstar]

Do i have to buy a 84inch 4k tv to benefit from 4k ? or can i get away with smaller size? e.g 70inch

[Penton-Man]

^ The latter…with the caveat being that your couch or favorite armchair isn’t bolted into the concrete slab of your house in case you may need to move it farther forward to gain full benefit.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

This is being offered in addition to Blu-ray in various HR formats up to 2304p x (real) 4K
TimeScapes

From the joint venture - “Billed as the world’s first native 4K project for television” … http://www.3net.com/news/view/31/3ne...uction-slate/1

P.S.
Reminds me, as a sad aside to reading the above news from a primarily 3D-oriented website, which is promoting 4K production, and I’m not meaning to be overly sentimental by now mentioning two back-to-back passings of significance to me but, someone on Blu-ray.com should make note of Ray…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ay#post5998279

who is no longer with us SoCal folks…http://la3dclub.com/ray-zone-rip/

The obit from The Hollywood Reporter – http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...-batman-391266

[Brightstar]

in what other size's are 4k tv's made in apart from 84inch ?

[Penton-Man]

^ Best to wait a little while, perhaps for CES 2013 to see what more is planned to launch, at least in the near term….where I would suspect that Toshiba http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic..._TVs_next_year

and its rivals will provide more eye candy. As far as 4K cameras (including 4K ‘capable’ ), including the fps-limited GoPro, I think the count now is at 12. I would doubt that we would be there so quickly and with so many, if Jim (Jannard) hadn’t incentivized the industry.

Enjoy your post-Dragon retirement Jim.

[Penton-Man]

Marketing people can be such teases , like the servers here -

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Strip Tease Waitress - YouTube

For example - http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthr...very-get-ready

now this -
http://blog.sony.com/sony-4k-content

b.t.w., do any savvy readers actually believe this malarkey…“Okay, I can’t say anything more right now, ‘cause my boss probably already thinks I’ve written too much”.

[Constitution 101]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

^ Best to wait a little while, perhaps for CES 2013 to see what more is planned to launch, at least in the near term….where I would suspect that Toshiba http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic..._TVs_next_year

and its rivals will provide more eye candy. As far as 4K cameras (including 4K ‘capable’ ), including the fps-limited GoPro, I think the count now is at 12. I would doubt that we would be there so quickly and with so many, if Jim (Jannard) hadn’t incentivized the industry.

Enjoy your post-Dragon retirement Jim.

What good are they w/o any source material? Cable/satellite aren't broadcasting 4K YET. I suppose in 2013 we'll have SOME blu-rays, but...

[R3P0]

Due to bandwidth restrictions and the fact that most cable and sat providers use MPEG 2 to broadcast most likely 4k is only going to be for physical media.