3D/2D Displays that support 3D & 2D & 24p at multiplies of the original frame rate

[dobyblue]

My guess is the first week of June, but I'm sending off an e-mail to see if I can narrow it down.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by schultz

Any date on the -800 series then>

Okay, looks like currently April 24th is the target date for the TH-50PZ800 to start shipping from Panasonic.

[Go Blue]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Okay, looks like currently April 24th is the target date for the TH-50PZ800 to start shipping from Panasonic.

Unfortunately, thats longer than I thought. Now I really have a problem. I wanted to compare the Pio Elite 720p to the Panny 800, but I don't think the Pio's will stay under $2500 for that long.

[zed0118]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Okay, looks like currently April 24th is the target date for the TH-50PZ800 to start shipping from Panasonic.

I just picked up the Panasonic TH-50PZ85U - essentially the same set. Marvelous tv ... simply marvelous.

[Electric_Haggis]

Sorry if it's been asked... But do we have word on the Optoma HD803 1080p projector?
I heard that it does a 48Hz refresh with 24p.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Electric_Haggis

Sorry if it's been asked... But do we have word on the Optoma HD803 1080p projector?
I heard that it does a 48Hz refresh with 24p.

Not sure about the Optoma HD803 but according to this review it is very similar to the HD80. The HD80 uses a 3:2 pulldown process and that is why it is not on the list.
http://www.projectorreviews.com/opto...3/proscons.php

[HDTV1080P]

It is not 100% clear but it sounds like in 2008 Mitsubishi might start offering true 1080P/24 LCD flat panels and DLP rear projectors that bypass the 3:2 pulldown process.

These new models mentioned in the article have not been added to the list yet since I am not 100% clear if they bypass the 3:2 pulldown process.

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“The 120Hz frame-rate technology also has been improved this year with “de-judder” techniques to smooth out motion in images.”

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6548345.html?desc=topstory

[HDTV1080P]

The Panasonic TH-58PZ750U will not be added to the list

Here is the latest review from Home Theater magazine on the Panasonic TH-58PZ750U. This Panasonic converts 1080P/24 material to 60HZ using a 3:2 pulldown process.

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“It will not, however, properly display a 1080p/24 image.”

http://hometheatermag.com/plasmadisplays/508apana58pz/index.html

[HDTV1080P]

The professional review link for the Sony KDL-52XBR5 and KDL-52XBR4 has been updated on the main page with the new April 2008 review of the KDL-52XBR4 (True 5:5 pulldown feature)

When motionflow (Motion Enhancher) is turned off the Sony XBR4 and XBR5 line will perform a true 5:5 pulldown when a 1080P/24 signal is applied.

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“If Motionflow is turned off, the set simply repeats each frame two or five times, depending on the rate of the source signal.”

The differences between the XBR4 and XBR5
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“Many people ask me about the difference between the XBR4 and XBR5 lines. They are basically identical, with just four minor variations. The XBR5 has a fixed gloss-black bezel, while the XBR4's silver-gray bezel can be replaced with other colors if you purchase an optional kit. The XBR5 also comes with an RS-232 remote-control jack, a longer warranty (18 vs. 12 months), and a $300 premium over the same-size XBR4.”

http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/408sonykdl52/index.html

[HDTV1080P]

There needs to be more Simplay HD certified consumer electronics displays and equipment

Over the years I have seen HDCP compatibility problems between HD displays and HD equipment that use the HDMI and DVI connection. Most of the time firmware updates to the troubled device does not work to solve these issues and the problem is with the actual hardware. I have seen people purchase expensive 1080P displays and are forced to use the component video inputs since HDCP and other handshaking problems occur between the display and the HD cable box or HD player. Sometimes the problem is with the display other times it is the device being connected to the display.
The easiest way to avoid this problem is to purchase displays and products that have been Simplay HD certified. Simplay HD is an extensive testing program that makes sure products that use HDMI and DVI with HDCP are working correctly. Currently very few consumer electronics products have passed Simplay HD testing. The Pioneer Kuro’s all have passed Simplay HD testing and were rewarded with the Simplay HD logo.

For more information about Simplay HD testing program see the following link

http://www.siliconimage.com/simplayhd.aspx

[HDTV1080P]

New April 2008 review on the Pioneer KURO PRO-150FD Plasma HDTV

Highlights from the review

Automatically refreshes 1080P/24 material correctly at 1080P/72 all the time regardless of menu settings
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“If the program material is already at 1080p/24, however, conversion to a display frame rate of 72 fps (using repeated frames, not interpolation) takes place automatically, regardless of the setting of the PureCinema control. “

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“How does the best one-piece digital display we’ve ever tested, flat panel or otherwise, sound? It’s a display with an image so compelling that you might even consider it in preference to a comparably priced projector and screen, despite the bigger, more theater-like, immersive experience a projector can provide.
Pioneer worked feverishly to improve the black levels on its already impressive plasma displays. Project KURO—Pioneer’s name for its own development program—has produced truly jaw-dropping results. “
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“Based on Pioneer’s track record and some of the advanced technology the company displayed at last January’s CES, I would not be surprised if its upcoming line of next-generation KURO displays, due later this year, is even better than the current one. But in the here and now, if there’s a better-looking, more impressive video display on the market than the PRO-150FD, I’m not aware of it. That includes not only one-piece televisions, but any projector I’ve reviewed—although a separate projector and screen can still provide the sort of immersive, theater-like experience that no 60-inch television can claim.”
“As with the other recent Pioneer models I reviewed for UltimateAVmag.com, a good share of the credit for the performance of this set is due to its stunning black level and excellent shadow detail.”
Link to the Home Theater review were quotes are taken from
http://hometheatermag.com/plasmadisplays/508piok150/index.html

[HDTV1080P]

New Review on the Panasonic PT-AE2000U LCD Front Projector confirms 96HZ refresh rate

The list has been updated to show 96HZ refresh and a hyperlink to the home theater review.

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“The PT-AE2000U will accept a 1080p/24 source. It adds three repeated (not interpolated) frames to each original frame for a display frame rate of 96 frames per second.”

One positive of this projector is that it is under $3500 list price.


The JVC LCOS front projectors that costs a lot more have better black levels then the Panasonic.

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“But that’s not to say it has better blacks than some of its competition. Really dark scenes look better on, say, either of JVC’s current projectors (the DLA-HD1 and the DLA-HD100, plus their DLA-RS1 and DLA-RS2 clones), neither of which uses a dynamic iris of any sort, or the Sony VPL-VW60, which does. But these LCOS designs cost multiples of the Panasonic’s price. While the PT-AE2000U doesn’t quite escape a mild case of the gray fog that has relegated most LCD home projectors to the budget category, it was rare and limited to the darkest scenes, such as the opening below-deck sequence in Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World. The Panasonic performed respectably here; it just didn’t knock me out the way a (very) few other projectors can.”

Link to Home Theater review where quotes are taken from:
http://hometheatermag.com/frontprojectors/608pana2000u/index1.html

[gemi02]

Originally Posted by zed0118

I just picked up the Panasonic TH-50PZ85U - essentially the same set. Marvelous tv ... simply marvelous.

Does this display have the correct refresh rate?

I didn't see it in the list.

Any reviews?

[gemi02]

Originally Posted by gemi02

Does this display have the correct refresh rate?

I didn't see it in the list.

Any reviews?

Got it.

Does not bypass pull down.

Any news when the 800 and 850 r coming out.

[drmanny3]

Has anyone verified that this Sharp 65" LCD works with 1080P 24 frame?

Thanks,
Manny

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by drmanny3

Has anyone verified that this Sharp 65" LCD works with 1080P 24 frame?

Thanks,
Manny

If I see a professional review on the Sharp I will post it. At this time I do not know how 1080P/24 is handled.

[HDTV1080P]

The NuVision NVU52DCM LCD TV and other NuVision LCD flat panel models will not be added to the list

The high-end NuVision LCD screens are listed in the specs as having a vertical refresh rate between 48HZ-72HZ but when a 1080P/24 signal is applied they refresh the signal at 60HZ using a 3:2 pulldown method. There is no benefit to 1080P/24 when 3:2 pulldown is used. Currently only one rear projector from Nuvision is on the list since it is known to display 1080P/24 on the screen at 72HZ similar to a film projector in the theater.

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“Another feature that is largely—but not entirely—wasted is this set's ability to accept a 1080p/24 signal. Why is it wasted? Because the NuVision displays such a signal at 60Hz, which means the video processor applies 3:2 pulldown, repeating one frame three times, the next frame twice, the next frame three times, and so on, thus losing the benefit of 24 frames per second.”

http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/508nu/index.html

[HDTV1080P]

** Important update to the main list **

The main purpose of this list is to provide an easy to use reference tool for those considering to purchasing a new 1080P display that offers true film quality 1080P/24 refresh rates. In order to make the list more useful and accurate I have created 3 separate lists.

List number 1: Will only list the current in production or coming soon true 1080P/24 displays that have a documented manufactories spec sheet, instruction manual, or professional review that mentions the multiplies of the 24fps feature. Now people searching for a new display can view just the current in production or coming soon models.

List number 2: Below the first list is the second list which contains all the discontinued true 1080P/24 displays. On this list one can search the Internet or retail stores for new or used bargain prices on clearance displays that offer true 24fps refresh rates.

List number 3: This list which is below list number 2 contains 1080P displays that are pending to be added to list number 1 or 2. The manufactories spec sheet or professional review is not available yet that documents the true 1080P/24 feature.

Remember these 3 lists are not 100% accurate and items can be removed or added as more information is learned about a display. The most accurate displays on the list will be the ones that have professional reviews written when the link is clicked on.

[HDTV1080P]

Mitsubishi HC6000 LCD front projector

In the June 2008 Sound and Vision magazine on page 62 and 63 there is a detailed review on this front projector. On page 62 it mentions the following quote:
“The HC6000 will also accept a 24p input from a Blu-ray Disc player, automatically frame-doubling the signal to a 48P display”

[HDTV1080P]

JVC DLA-RS1 and DLA-RS2 LCOS Front Projectors have been added to the list

The JVC Front projectors are some of the best Front Projectors on the market with excellent black levels and contrast ratio’s. All of JVC’s LCOS Front projectors refresh 1080P/24 sources at 96HZ and 60HZ signals are refreshed at 120HZ.

The DLA-HD1 and DLA-RS1 is almost exactly the same projector.
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“According to the company, they differ in only two ways. The RS1 is sold through JVC's professional channels, and the HD1 is sold through consumer outlets. In addition, the HD1 is black and silver (see photo) and the RD1 is all black. But with respect to features, performance, and price, the projectors are identical.”

http://ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/207jvchd1/index.html


The DLA-HD100 and DLA-RS2 is almost exactly the same projector.
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“Priced at $8000, the next-gen DLA-HD100 has an identical twin in the DLA-RS2, which differs only in that it is distributed through professional rather than consumer channels. The match between these models is even closer than between the DLA-HD1 and RS1 (the pro version of the HD1). I will refer only to the HD100 in the remainder of this review since that's the model I looked at. But all comments should apply equally to the RS2.”

http://ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/508jvcpro/