3D/2D Displays that support 3D & 2D & 24p at multiplies of the original frame rate

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Digital Projections HIGHlite 730 series 3-D projectors

(9,000 lumen 3-chip DLP powerhouse projector)

Dual Projector setup info

** IMAX 3-D style picture quality occurs when two HIGHlite 730 3D series projectors are stacked together. Each eye sees a full 1080P with 24Hz for each eye **

Single Projector setup info

** The 144Hz 3-D HIGHlite 730 series projectors can be configured for a REALD 3-D passive or XpanD 3-D active system **

** Both passive and active glasses on the HIGHlite 730 series projectors offer 3-D HD quality for each eye using flicker free 144Hz triple flash technology **

The Highlite series 144Hz line drop range is most likely between (60 and 24). The exact amount of lines that are dropped on the Highlite series is still unknown.

The HIGHlite 730 3D series from Digital Projection INC, are using a 3-chip DLP DarkChip DMD. The 1080P model has a list price of $37,995 (List prices are subject to change since new models get released, etc). One unique feature offered on the HIGHlite 730 3D series is the HDBaseT interface that allows consumers to use standard CAT7A/CAT7/CAT6A/CAT6/CAT5e LAN cable up to 100 meters. This HDBaseT technology offers the exact same uncompressed bit for bit HDMI video quality but instead of using HDMI cables at short distances one is able to use low cost LAN cable. For example the new Pioneer Elite SC-79 A/V receiver with a list price of $3,000 would be an ideal match for the HIGHlite 730 3D series projectors. The Pioneer Elite SC-79 has an HDBaseT output that is designed to be connected to products like the HIGHlite 730 3D series. If one uses the top of the line CAT7A shielded 22 gauge 1,000Mhz cable then under ideal conditions the distance between the Pioneer SC-79 A/V receiver and the HIGHlite 730 3D series projector could be up to 328 feet (100 meters). The CAT7A Siemon: TERA 9T7R4-E10-06-R1 costs around $645 for a 1,000 feet reel. It is the best or one of the best CAT7A 10GB networking cables that is available in the United States. Great for 4K QUAD HD, 10GB networks, and possible CAT7A even might do higher networking speeds in the future. For businesses and government building installations the same quality cable can be purchased with a Plenum fire resistance coating to meet certain commercial fire codes. The Plenum fire resistance coating model costs around $1,419 for 1,000 feet reel (Siemon: TERA 9T7P4-E10-06-R1).PDF spec sheet for both the non-Plenum and Plenum version of the Siemon CAT7A cable.

The 1920 x 1080P Lightning series and Titan series projectors from Digital Projection INC used the higher quality 3-chip DLP 0.95 DarkChip DMD chipset. To keep prices lower for the consumer the 1920 x 1080P HIGHlite 730 3D series uses a 3-chip DLP 0.65 DarkChip DMD chipset (the HIGHlite 730 3D WUXGA 1920 x 1200 model uses the 0.67 DarkChip DMD chipset). 1920 x 1200 offers more resolution for computer presentations, etc. There are two HDMI 1.4 inputs and several other inputs and communication connections depending on the model number (see manuals and spec sheets for details).

Digital Projection HIGHlite 730 WUXGA 3D (114-693) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) (1920 x 1200P model)

Digital Projection HIGHlite 730 1080p 3D (114-691) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

$37,995

Click here to read the full product launch press release.

Configuring the HIGHlite 730 3D series as a dual IMAX 3-D type setup

(full 1080P for each eye)

The HIGHlite 730 3D series ideal setup is to stack two exact same projectors together. In this type of dual projector setup each eye sees 24Hz for Blu-ray 3-D frame packed material. A dual pipe processing source is needed to watch commercial movies. Then the commercial dual pipe movie server would provide the 3-D movie to both projectors (A separate left and right 1080p/24 frames). However to setup the HIGHlite series projectors to operate like IMAX 3-D with a consumer Blu-ray 3-D source then one needs to purchase the Airflex5D AF5D-60 processor for $4,999. Therefore, in a dual projector setup one would place a right eye polarizer in front of one projector and a left eye polarizer in front of the other projector. If one used a native 48Hz Blu-ray 3-D movie as the source material, then the Airflex5D AF5D-60 processor would unpack the 2205P Blu-ray 3-D frame packed movie (Once the Airflex5D processor unpacks the Blu-ray 3-D source material, then the right eye 1080P/24 frames are sent to the right projector and the left eye 1080P/24 frames are sent to the left projector). A RealD passive system requires a silver screen. A dual projector setup has a better 3-D quality when compared to a single projector setup. However, instead of paying around $40,000 for a single 3-D projector setup you are now paying around $80,000 in order to get quality similar to IMAX 3-D.

Configuring the HIGHlite 730 3D series for single projector 144Hz 3-D quality

The HIGHlite 730 3D series projectors frame rate multipliers are locked for both 2-D 24Hz and 3-D 48Hz. The HIGHlite 730 3D series projectors will display native 2-D 1080p/24 sources at 24Hz and native 48Hz 3-D Blu-ray frame packed material is displayed at 144Hz. So just like some of the 2K projectors located in the commercial movie theaters which triple flash 3-D movies, the HIGHlite series does the same. Digital Projection INC purposely locked this projector at 144Hz when playing Blu-ray 3-D frame packed material because 144Hz is flicker free and delivers the best 3-D quality. According to Digital Projections technical support the HIGHlite series has a 144Hz bandwidth limitation that results in a small amount of lines being dropped when a consumer watches frame packed Blu-ray 3-D movies. The exact number of lines being dropped by the HIGHlite DMD hardware is unknown at this time, however it is believed to be somewhere between 60-24 lines are dropped (most likely in the middle). It is my understanding that all consumer 144Hz projectors on the market currently have this bandwidth limitation. Even on some of the 2K 144Hz 3-D projectors used in commercial movie theaters there is also a bandwidth limitation that results in a small amount of lines being dropped. With some of the newer commercial DMD chipsets and DMD loading sequences that are used in the 2K and 4K commercial movie theaters there is no bandwidth limitation at 144Hz and no lines are dropped at all.

How frame packed Blu-ray 3-D movie discs work on a 144Hz projector

The frame packed Blu-ray 3-D movies are native 1920 x 2205 at 24p on the Blu-ray disc (both the 1080P/24 left frame and 1080P/24 right frame are packed on the Blu-ray disc). Once the video processor inside the 144Hz projector unpacks the 3-D Blu-ray movie the native 1920x2205 3-D Blu-ray image is turned into two separate left and right frames. A 1080p/24 left frame and 1080p/24 right frame equals a total of 48 frames (48Hz). Then the projector orders the left eye 1080p/24 frame and right eye 1080p/24 frame into sequence to be triple flashed for a flicker free 144Hz active glasses or passive glasses Cinema quality movie experience.

Click the following link for a diagram on how the ideal consumer 3-D Front Projector or 3-D display should work when unpacking the frame packed 1920 X 2205 image.

http://cepro.com/images/uploads/frame_packed_3d_large.jpg

Some select quotes from Digital Projection INC email conversations:

"The Highlite Cine 660/730 3D has similar video processing electronics as the current Titan 3D projectors. It looks like they will leave the 2D 24 Hz unchanged as a 24 Hz display rate. (flicker-free)”


“The lost lines is due to a bandwidth limitation of the “light engine”.

If we think of similarities here:

M-Vision Cine 320/400 3D (single chip)

Highlite Cine 330/660/730 3D (three chip – 0.65 inch)

Titan/Lightning 3D (three chip – 0.95 inch)

We can probably expect different values of lines lost for each of these systems.”

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Digital Projections M-Vision Cine 320 3D 1080p Projector has been added to the list

Digital Projection M-Vision Cine 320 3D 1080p (114-501) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

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Digital Projections M-Vision Cine 320 3D 1080p Projector

(The world’s cheapest single chip DLP 144Hz 3-D projector)

** List price is only $11,995 **


** The 144Hz M-Vision Cine 320 3D projector can be configured for a REALD 3-D passive or XpanD 3-D active system **




** Both passive and active glasses on the M-Vision Cine 320 3D projector offer full 1080P quality for each eye at 96Hz and 1020P quality for each eye at 144Hz (144Hz flicker free Cinema quality mode). **

The Digital Projection M-Vision Cine 320 3D 1080p Projector uses the same 0.95 DarkChip DMD that is found in the top of the line Lightning series and Titan series projectors, however the major difference is that the M-Vision Cine 320 3D projector only has one 0.95 DarkChip DLP instead of 3 chips. In order to offer 144Hz 3-D projector technology for a list price of only $11,995 Digital Projection is using a “6 segment RGBYCW Colour Wheel” which should in theory have no visible rainbow effects for most people. 3 chip DLP has no rainbow issues, however the cheapest 3 chip 144Hz 3-D DLP projector is the HIGHlite series which starts at $29,995 (HIGHlite series uses 3 x 0.65 Darkchip DMD instead of the better quality 3 x 0.95 DMD Darkchip that is in the entry level Titan 330 1080p L 3D for $49,995). If one has the opportunity they should demo some of these awesome 3-D products at a Digital Projection showroom.

The Digital Projection M-Vision Cine 320 3D 1080p Projector will display 2-D 1080p/24 source material at 48Hz by using a repeating frame method. This is the same frame rate that is used on many film projectors in the commercial movie theaters. Digital Projection technical support informed me that they were going to make the M-Vision Cine 320 3D 1080p Projector with a locked Blu-ray 3-D frame rate of 144Hz, however the engineers decided to also make a 96Hz mode to be compatible with older DLP link glasses that work at 96Hz. Back in 2012 DLP link active glasses technology did not work at 144Hz and only worked at 96Hz-120Hz. DLP link is only found on single chip DLP projectors and is not offered on 3-chip DLP projectors. The good news is that new DLP link active shutter glasses that came out in 2013 work between 96Hz-144Hz. The DLP link on the Digital Projection M-Vision Cine 320 3D Projector will work with the new 2013 144Hz DLP link active shutter glasses.

The Digital Projection M-Vision Cine 320 3D Sync can be connected to a Z screen or an IR emitter. With an IR emitter, 144Hz active shutter glasses can be used instead of 144Hz DLP link glasses. Also the M-Vision Cine 320 3D can be configured for use with passive glasses technology at 144Hz. For passive glasses a silver screen is needed and a polarity modulator.

Both passive and active glasses on the M-Vision Cine 320 3D offer a full 1080P quality for each eye at 96Hz and 1020P quality for each eye at 144Hz. Thanks to the Digital Projection INC owner’s manual and technical support for being honest about this issue. Due to a bandwidth limitation with the M-Vision Cine 320 3D the 144Hz mode drops 60 lines. Even some 2K 144Hz projectors in the commercial movie theater drop lines do to a DMD loading sequence and hardware bandwidth issue. Also it is my understanding that all consumer 144Hz DLP projectors drop between 24-76 lines depending on the brand and model number. For example the Runco X-200i drops 76 lines in the 144Hz mode. Single chip DLP projectors historically drop more lines of resolution when compared to 3-chip DLP projectors. For example the top of the line Lightning series and Titan series projectors only drop 24 lines at 144Hz. Both the Digital Projection M-Vision Cine 400 3D for $17,995 and the new August 2013 M-Vision Cine 320 for $11,995 drop a total of 60 lines at 144Hz. Even though 60 lines of resolution is lost at 144Hz on the M-Vision Cine 320 3D, overall the 144Hz mode is strongly recommended for a flicker free improved 3-D movie watching experience.



QUOTE from page 33 of the M-Vision Cine 320 owner’s manual:

“1080p24 3D Display — if you set this to 144 Hz, 30 lines are cropped from the top and bottom of the frame; 96 Hz displays the full frame.”

In summary 30 lines are removed from the top and 30 lines are removed from the bottom when the 144Hz mode is engaged (60 lines total lost due to bandwidth limitation). A total of 1020P for each eye in the 144Hz mode.


Click here to read the full product launch press release.

Digital Projection M-Vision Cine 320 3D 1080p (114-501) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) $11,995

How frame packed Blu-ray 3-D movie discs work on a 144Hz projector

The frame packed Blu-ray 3-D movies are native 1920 x 2205 at 24p on the Blu-ray disc (both the 1080P/24 left frame and 1080P/24 right frame are packed on the Blu-ray disc). Once the video processor inside the 144Hz projector unpacks the 3-D Blu-ray movie the native 1920x2205 3-D Blu-ray image is turned into two separate left and right frames. A 1080p/24 left frame and 1080p/24 right frame equals a total of 48 frames (48Hz). Then the projector orders the left eye 1080p/24 frame and right eye 1080p/24 frame into sequence to be triple flashed for a flicker free 144Hz active glasses or passive glasses Cinema quality movie experience.

Click the following link for a diagram on how the ideal consumer 3-D Front Projector or 3-D display should work when unpacking the frame packed 1920 X 2205 image.

http://cepro.com/images/uploads/frame_packed_3d_large.jpg

Some select quotes from Digital Projection INC email conversations:

“Yes, it is my understanding that the 320 will display 2D 24 Hz at 48 Hz as the Cine 400 does. All of our 3D projectors can work with active or passive systems, provided the proper accessories are used.”

“It is correct that those projectors can be used in active and passive configurations with a single projector.”

“To do passive with a single projector, you would also need a “polarity modulator”.

“We are aware that XpanD, RealD, and Depth-Q are among the suppliers of these devices.”

“Also, passive requires a “silver screen” to retain the polarization.”

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DLP projectors are better than any other technology when it comes to 3-D image quality

Before the days of 3-D, I was a big fan of JVC LCOS projectors since they have the best 2-D image quality when it comes to deep black levels with excellent contrast ratios. LCOS is also flicker free at 96Hz in the 2-D mode. LCOS is the black level king of projectors, however there is no such thing as a perfect projector. The consumer version of LCOS technology has some catching up to do when it comes to 3-D image quality. DLP projector technology is the king of 3-D image quality. DLP has flicker free 3-D performance at 144Hz and DLP technology better handles motion when compared to LCD and LCOS.

Hopefully future JVC LCOS projector models will increase the brightness levels and start offering 144Hz triple flash or 192Hz quad flash mode for Cinema quality 3-D frame rates.

quote:

“DLP is still the leader in 3D playback on the consumer projector market today. Its utter lack of ghosting and bright image make for the most compelling 3D I’ve seen in the home. JVC continues to make strides, and I’m hopeful that they’ll continue to refine their performance with future models.”

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/jvc-dla-x95r-3d-d-ila-projector-page-3

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4K QUAD HD flat panels appear to be all still 60Hz for each eye in the 3-D mode

The active glasses 3-D image quality on 1080P OLED displays and passive glasses 1080P 3-D image quality on 4K QUAD HD displays are both some of the best 3-D images offered today on a flat panel display. However the disappointment is that after the black frame insertion and/or frame interpolation they all appear to be 120Hz (60Hz each eye) displays. For most people 120Hz is flicker free, however 120Hz is not used in the commercial 3-D movie theaters since people see 3:2 pulldown judder for each eye.

Hopefully in the future consumers will start seeing plasmas, OLED’s, and 4K QUAD HD flat panel screens with a 144Hz (72Hz each eye), 192Hz (96Hz each eye), or 240Hz (120Hz each eye) repeating frame rate mode.

Quote:

“By a significant margin, the most impressive thing about this LG, as with other 4K sets we’ve tested, is its 3D performance. It is, literally, spectacular. I’ve never seen 3D this good on any 2K set at home or (apart from sheer screen size) in any commercial 3D theater.”

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/lg-84lm9600-lcd-ultra-hdtv-page-2

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Panasonic to officially cease plasma production in December of 2013

In 2013 Panasonic finally made a ZT60 series plasma screen that matches the performance of the 2008 Pioneer plasma models in some key picture quality areas, however now Panasonic will officially cease plasma production in December of 2013 and close their plasma factory in March 2014.

Now LG and Samsung are the only companies left making plasma screens.

Panasonic to cease plasma screen production in December

http://www.twice.com/articletype/financial/panasonic-exits-plasma-has-good-fiscal-q2/108932

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** Update: The list has been re-opened back up on this website on 3-17-2014. In the future it might be closed down if I do not have time to update it or for various other reasons. **

I have made the decision to not update this thread any more at this website. A few years ago 144Hz 3-D projectors cost a minimum of $50,000. Now lower cost 144Hz 3-D projectors start at $11,995. Perhaps in 2014 consumers will start to see under $10,000 144Hz 3-D projectors which is more attractive for the mainstream consumer. Then one day under $5,000 144Hz 3-D projectors might become a reality. Maybe LCOS and LCD projectors in the coming years will offer a 144Hz or 192Hz 3-D mode.

Projectors are ideal for a 100-300+ inch high quality 1080P 3-D movie experience. However some consumers living in some homes, condos, and apartments are not able to have a ceiling mounted front projector. There will always be a market for flat panel displays. Hopefully in the future some high-end 60-100+ inch flat panel displays will be made with a 144Hz 3-D mode or 192Hz 3-D mode. As flat panel screens keep increasing in size the demand for front projectors will decrease. In the future if affordable 90-150+ inch flat panel displays become available for the average consumer then we will most likely see more and more consumer electronics companies stop production on ceiling mounted front projectors.


The main purpose of this thread has always been to search out and discover displays that offer Cinema quality frame rates. In the ideal world every display should offer the feature, however in reality that is not the case.

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Some select word for word quotes from Sound and Vision magazine regarding the Samsung KN55S9C 3D OLED

“Samsung doesn’t specify a screen refresh rate for its OLED, but when you add up the 4 x 60 hertz required to pull off MultiView, it’s clear that the set is at minimum capable of native 240-Hz display.”

“Then there’s that odd and somewhat erratic pink clouding of the image that was evident on white backgrounds. It’s subtle and not obnoxiously distracting, but it’s noticeable on the right scenes once you know it’s there.”

“Unless we find this to be an inherent limitation of the technology, it shouldn’t be there in a $9,000 HDTV when a $1,500 plasma of the same size delivers perfectly uniform light and color output.”

Observant OLED Observations

** Click here to read the complete Sound and Vision magazine review **

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Mitsubishi HC8000D 3D DLP projector only offers a 96Hz and 120Hz 3-D mode

(Also Mitsubishi has exited the front projector business)

The new Mitsubishi HC8000D 3-D single chip DLP projector does not offer a Cinema quality 144Hz triple flash 3-D mode. In the commercial movie theaters 96-Hz (48Hz each eye) is not used for 3-D since around 50% of the population in early beta testing complained of an image flicker (flicker free 144Hz is used in the commercial movie theaters for all single light source projectors). 120Hz (60-Hz each eye) in general is flicker free for most people, however 3:2 pulldown judder occurs for both eyes.

I was hoping that one day Mitsubishi would start making some rear projectors and front projectors with Cinema quality 2-D/3-D frame rates, however that never occurred. Around October 14th 2013 Mitsubishi announced that they are stopping manufacturing of all front projectors and public displays. The ceiling mounted front projector business is very competitive and the demand for front projectors has been decreasing as large 90+ inch flat panel screens become more common. In the future more front projector companies might also start exiting the front projector business as flat panel screens keep getting bigger and cheaper in price. In theory there should always be a market for the high-end front projectors since people with a large enough home like having a dedicated home theater room with a 100-300+ inch size screen. Low cost 150-300+ inch flat panel displays are most likely at least a decade or a few decades away from becoming a reality (roll up flexable poster style flat panel displays that are paper thin is needed for large displays, and that technology is not ready yet for the consumer market).

http://www.inavateonthenet.net/article/63459/Mitsubishi-stops-manufacture-of-projectors-and-public-displays.aspx

A select quote from page 66 of the December 2013 Sound and Vision magazine

“The 3D menu offers the usual 3D controls, plus a 3D 24p frame rate control with 96-hertz or 120-Hz options.”

http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...ojector-page-2

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World first: Digital Projection launches 12,000 lumens laser projector 144Hz triple flash technology

This new 1920 x 1200 144Hz 3-Chip DLP Laser projector is scheduled for a release date of March 2014 and provides 20,000 hours of stable light. This projector will soon be added to the list. Tonight I emailed Digital Projection INC technical support for more details.

Download the spec sheet (PDF)

http://www.installation-international.com/main-content/full/world-first-digital-projection-launches-12-000-lumens-laser-projector/gc43#.UpZMTI3qJXY

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The Highlite Laser will most likely display 2-D 1080P/24 material at 24Hz or 48Hz. However since this projector will not be released until March 2014, the details of this Laser projector are not available from Digital Projection INC yet. Once the 2-D refresh rate is verified this new Laser projector will be added to the list. Also the suggested retail price and 144Hz bandwidth issues are not available yet.

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100 inch Samsung UN85S9AF LCD/LED Ultra HDTV

(Sound and Vision magazine review link)

The 100 inch Samsung UN85S9AF is $40,000 and as far as I am aware it displays 3-D 1080P material using 60Hz for each eye. Since the Samsung UN85S9AF uses active glasses, then in theory when and if a 4K QUAD 3-D optical format is released then in theory one should be able to view movies in true 4K QUAD 3-D quality (an update to the outboard connection box might be required in the future for 4K QUAD 3-D source material). Last time I checked 3-D movies in the movie theaters were still being made in 2K quality, so 4K 3-D source material needs to be made available in commercial movie theaters before the 4K 3-D movies arrives in people’s homes.

Another issue is that Samsung has changed the way Auto Motion Plus works for 2-D signals. In the past all prior 1080P Samsung displays that used Auto Motion Plus would display multiplies of 24Hz without 3:2 pulldown judder when Auto Motion Plus is turned off. However this new Samsung UN85S9AF will add 3:2 pulldown to 24Hz sources with multiples of 60Hz when Auto Motion Plus is turned off. Leaving Auto Motion Plus on will result in a soap opera effect.

It is ridiculous that a $40,000 flat panel uses 3:2 pulldown with multiplies of 60Hz for 1080P/24 sources when Auto Motion Plus is turned off.

The following are select word for word quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine review

“Though a side-by-side comparison of black level and shadow detail with the Panasonic TC-65ZT60, my current plasma flat panel reference, was, of course, not possible here, I found these dark, difficult scenes fully satisfying.”

“Turning Auto Motion Plus to Off position eliminates soap opera effect, but runs 24 frame sources at multiples of 60 Hz using a 3:2 frame pattern.”

“But a newer, more advanced version of HDMI which will add these capabilities is now on the way for the new 2014 models due later this year. Fortunately, this and all of Samsung’s 2013 Ultra HD models are upgradable because they employ an outboard connection box—the “One Connect” in Samsungese—for all of its inputs. A single proprietary cable connects the box to the set. By changing this One Connect (replacement cost TBD), a user can upgrade to newer version of HDMI without replacing the entire set. Most other 2013 UHD sets cannot accommodate the required change in hardware required for this update.”

“(Incidentally, you may have seen this new version of HDMI referred to as HDMI 2.0. But HDMI policy now frowns on attaching numbers to its various versions and requires that manufacturers no longer refer to the HDMI level of their sets by such numbers. Rather, they require that it be referred to as HDMI with 60fps, or HDMI with Deep Color, or whatever string of modifiers describe it correctly. Cue customer confusion.)”

** Click here to read the complete Sound and Vision magazine review **

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Sound and Vision magazine is now using the 2013 Panasonic TC-65ZT60 as the new plasma flat panel reference display

In the past Thomas J. Norton starting in 2009, used the 60 inch 2008 Pioneer PRO-141FD Signature series monitor as his plasma reference to compare all or most other high-end flat panel displays on the market. According to his recent Sound and Vision magazine review, it is now my understanding that Thomas J. Norton is now using the discontinued 65 inch 2013 Panasonic TC-65ZT60 as his current plasma flat panel reference display when watching 2-D material. The Pioneer PRO-141FD that Sound and Vision magazine was using had many hours on it and it was around 5 years old. The Panasonic TC-65ZT60 matches the Pioneer PRO-141FD in essentially all key areas of image quality.

Many knowledgeable consumers upgrade their display to the same display that Thomas J. Norton uses as a reference. Personally, I have no plans on selling my 5+ year old Pioneer plasma display yet since it works fine and it has the same picture quality as the 2013 Panasonic ZT60 series in all key areas of image quality. Since a 4K QUAD HD optical format is most likely going to be released around the year 2016+, I will be looking at purchasing a 4K QUAD HD OLED flat panel or a 4K projector as my replacement reference display sometime in 2018+.

quote:

“Though a side-by-side comparison of black level and shadow detail with the Panasonic TC-65ZT60, my current plasma flat panel reference, was, of course, not possible here, I found these dark, difficult scenes fully satisfying.”

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/samsung-un85s9af-lcdled-ultra-hdtv-page-2

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The Sony KDL-65W850A 3D HDTV most likely is using 60Hz for each eye in 3-D mode

When motionflow is tuned off Sony flat panel displays bypass the frame interpolation processing and dark frame insertion (new models use dark frame insertion sometimes). However according to the Sound and Vision magazine review when motionflow is off the Sony KDL-65850A has some flicker and motion judder during camera pans. As far as I am aware all 3-D LCD flat panel screens on the market still use 60Hz for each eye when unpacking the frame packed Blu-ray 3-D movies.

The following are a few select word for word quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine review

“Motionflow engages Sony’s frame interpolation (or dark frame insertion in some settings) to smooth out motion blur. Without it, I did see some blur on fast motion—but no worse than usual for an LCD set. It was tolerable, and in my opinion, preferable to the video-like, soap-opera look common to motion interpolation. I left Motionflow off for all my tests and viewing.”

“I also noticed some motion judder in 3D, particularly in chapter 3 of Captain America as the camera pans across the Alps near Red Skull’s lair. There was also some flicker on the stationary opening menu of Pacific Rim. Turning on Motionflow and selecting its Standard setting eliminated both of these issues. They were rare enough that I preferred to do without the look of Motionflow. But if the judder and flicker bother you in 3D, Motionflow is the best available solution.”

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/sony-kdl-65w850a-3d-hdtv

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Vizio M601d-A3R 3D LCD HDTV offers 540P with 60Hz 3:2 pulldown for each eye in 3-D mode

The advantage of 4K QUAD HD flat panel displays that use passive glasses is that each eye sees a separate left and right 1080P image. Passive 1080P displays like the Vizio M601d-A3R only offer 540P for each eye. As far as I am aware all 4K QUAD HD and 1080P LCD flat panel screens on the market add 3-2 pulldown to each eye when unpacking the frame packed Blu-ray 3-D source material. Hopefully in the future the 3:2 pulldown process will be bypassed for future 3-D LCD flat panel displays.

The following are a few select word for word quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine review

“One thing that annoyed me, however, was that the set’s Smooth Motion Effect was switched on by default for 3D content, with no apparent way to turn it off. For that reason alone, I wouldn’t recommend the M601d-A3R to someone who plans to use it for much 3D viewing.”

“All passive-glasses 3D sets use pattern retarder technology, which can sometimes become visible as closely spaced horizontal lines depending on the size of the set and your distance from the screen.”

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/vizio-m601d-a3r-3d-lcd-hdtv

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The 2014 InFocus IN8606HD uses new technology to offer 144Hz triple flash DLP projection for under $1,000

** This projector will not be added to the list since the 2-D 1080P/24 refresh rate method is unknown at this time **

Some high-end and low-end DLP projectors on the market refresh 2-D 1080P/24 material at 60Hz using 3:2 pulldown. A DLP projector is required to refresh 2-D 1080p/24 material at 24Hz, 48Hz, 72Hz, or higher multiplies of 24 to be added to the list. Unfortunately, it is unknown at this time if the InFocus IN8606HD uses 60Hz or 48Hz when a 2-D 1080p/24 signal is received. The product spec sheet and manual lack that information. I have emailed InFocus support, however I have not received any reply to my email.

On the positive side it’s amazing to see a 144Hz DLP projector in 2014 being made available for under $1,000. In 2013 the cheapest documented single chip 144Hz DLP projector was Digital Projections M-Vision Cine 320 3D 1080p Projector for $11,995. The new 2014 InFocus IN8606HD 144Hz projector uses the latest drivers and Texas Instruments DLP Dark Chip 3 technology at the amazing low suggested retail price of only $999. Best Buy currently offers the InFocus IN8606HD at the current sale price of $899.99 plus free shipping.

The $11,995 Digital Projection M-Vision Cine 320 3D 1080p projector has better build quality and works with passive glasses. The InFocus IN8606HD requires 144Hz DLP link active 3D glasses, or IR glasses will work with a optional emitter. In theory the InFocus IN8606HD will display native 720P 60Hz frame packed material at 1080P 120Hz (flicker free without 3:2 pulldown). Since 99% of Blu-ray 3-D movies use frame packed 1080P the InFocus IN8606HD will properly unpack the 48Hz source material and triple flash at 144Hz just like a professional commercial movie theater DLP projector. Of course, movie theater DLP projectors use 3-chip DLP technology to eliminate the rainbow effect (Starting prices for 3 chip 144Hz DLP consumer projectors is around $30,000).

The InFocus IN8606HD spec sheet does not mention any 144Hz bandwidth limitation, and instead claims the projector uses FULL 3D 1080p. However, to my knowledge all or almost all consumer 144Hz projectors on the market drop a small amount of lines at 144Hz do to a hardware bandwidth limitation with the DMD loading sequence. Normally somewhere between 24-76 lines are dropped depending on the brand and model of the 144Hz projector. There are high-end $120,000+ 144Hz projectors on the market that drop lines and I would be really surprised if a under $1,000 144Hz projector used breakthrough technology to overcome the 144Hz bandwidth limitations. There is a possibility that some under $1,000 144Hz projectors could drop as many as 100, 200, or 300 lines of resolution. High-end consumer electronics companies like Digital Projection INC and Runco disclose the 144Hz bandwidth limitation issue in their product manuals by mentioning the amount of lines dropped in the 144Hz mode. Hopefully other consumer electronics manufactories that have this 144Hz bandwidth limitation issue will also mention the amount of lines dropped at 144Hz in their owner’s manual.

I did email InFocus to see if their new 2014 projector also suffers from a 144Hz bandwidth limitation. So far no response to the email. So the big question is, does the InFocus IN8606HD really offer FULL 3D 1080p quality with no bandwidth limitations at 144Hz?

There is no crosstalk and zero flicker at 144Hz, however single chip DLP projectors have rainbow problems. Some people do not see rainbows, however 3-D mode sometimes can produce more visible rainbow effects on a single chip DLP projector.

Quote from spec sheet

“3D Triple Flash
The IN8606HD uses the latest Texas Instruments DLP® Dark Chip 3 technology and drivers (DLP 0.65” 1080P s600 DC3) and incorporates 3D Triple Flash technology. 3D Triple Flash triples the normal 3D frame rate of 48 Hz (24 for the right eye and 24 for the left) to 144 Hz, which gives you a deeper, more immersive 3D experience.”

InFocus IN8606HD 3D Projector Datasheet EN

The following are select word for word quotes from the PC magazine review

“As with virtually all single-chip DLP projectors, rainbow artifacts, with light areas breaking up into little red-green-blue rainbows, can be an issue. I saw them less often with the IN8606HD than with many DLP projectors I've tested, but often enough that anyone who's sees them easily will almost certainly notice them.”

“Depending on how easily you—or anyone you watch with—sees rainbow artifacts, and how bothersome you find them, you may or may not consider them a problem. I found them tolerable for long sessions for most of the video I tested with, but far too obvious for comfortable viewing with one black and white clip in our tests.”

“As with most 3D projectors, the IN8606HD doesn't come with 3D glasses. According to InFocus, it supports both 144Hz DLP-Link glasses and IR glasses, with an IR port for an emitter available on the projector.”

“For my tests, I used 144Hz DLP-link glasses.”

“If you see rainbow artifacts easily and find them bothersome, or are concerned that someone you invite over to watch with might have that problem, you're best advised to stay away from this projector, as well as most of its DLP-based competition.”

“If rainbow artifacts aren't an issue for you, however, the InFocus IN8606HD offers a lot to like, including near excellent image quality, support for 3D, and high enough brightness to stand up to ambient light”

** Click here to read the complete review at the PC magazine website **

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The 2014 InFocus IN3138HD also offers 144Hz triple flash technology in their $1,299 DLP projector

** This projector will not be added to the list since the 2-D 1080P/24 refresh rate method is unknown at this time **

The 2-D 1080p/24 refresh rate is unknown at this time for this projector. The spec sheet for the InFocus IN3138HD mentions that it offers true 144Hz triple flash technology. The big question is does this projector have a 144Hz bandwidth limitation that would result in 100-360+ lines being dropped? Or would this projector use breaktrough technology in the DMD loading sequence that results in no lines being dropped at 144Hz (most likely a small amount of lines are dropped at 144Hz)?

This InFocus IN3138HD has a retail list price of $1,299. Internet price is under $1,100 from some online dealers. The InFocus IN3138HD offers Ethernet connection for network control and display port connection (however no component video input and only one HDMI input). The lower cost IN8606HD does not have display port or Ethernet jack but does offer two HDMI inputs with one component video input.

Quote from spec sheet

“3D Triple Flash
The IN3138HD uses the latest Texas Instruments DLP® Dark Chip 3 technology and drivers (DLP 0.65” 1080P s600 DC3) and incorporates 3D Triple Flash technology. 3D Triple Flash triples the normal 3D frame rate of 48 Hz (24 for the right eye and 24 for the left) to 144 Hz, which gives you a deeper, more immersive 3D experience.”

InFocus IN3138HD Datasheet EN

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** Important information before purchasing 4K or 4K Quad HD equipment **

One should make sure the 4K display, 4K A/V receiver, native 4K optical disc player (not available yet), and 4K TV tuner ( not available yet) has the HDMI 2.0 feature with the HDCP 2.2 copy protection feature.


In the future HDMI 2.0 with the secure encrypted HDCP 2.2 copy protection feature should become standard on all new 4K Quad HD consumer products that have a HDMI interface.


This means first generation and second generation 4K QUAD HD displays that lack the HDCP 2.2 copy protection feature will not be able to play native 4K content at 4K quality. Instead the older 4K Quad HD displays will either have a black screen or play the 4K programs at the lower 480i-1080P quality depending on what the content provider decides.

If the 4K content providers are strict and enforce HDCP 2.2 copy protection compliant products, then the first generation 4K QUAD HD displays that use passive glasses are only good for playing 1080P 3-D Blu-ray movies using passive glasses.

quote:

"HDCP 2.2 will be adopted for future premium 4K studio releases, 4K streaming via internet service providers, and future 4K terrestrial and satellite broadcasts, Onkyo said. Such copy-protected content will either be unplayable or converted to standard definition when passed through non-HDCP 2.2-compliant AVR, the company said."

Onkyo Adds HDMI 2.0, 60Hz 4K

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OLED flat panels are the new reference displays in terms of deep black levels and overall picture quality

Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 versus LG 55EA9800

QUOTES

“Of course, the blacks were truly black on the OLED, but I was surprised at how much deeper they were compared with the Panasonic plasma, which is the best plasma ever made with blacks at least as good as the legendary Kuro. However, next to the OLED, the plasma's blacks looked positively gray.”

“The bottom line for me is that the LG 55EA9800 OLED TV looked sensational—as it ought to for a list price of $8000. (You can get it for $1000 less at Best Buy and Amazon.).”

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1522890/lg-55ea9800-oled-tv-a-brief-critical-look

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4K QUAD HD flat panels that use passive 1080P 3-D glasses operate like a dual projector IMAX setup in terms of image quality

In the commercial movie theaters a single light source 2K 3-chip DLP projector flashes the native 2K 48Hz 3-D material on the screen at 144Hz using either passive or active glasses technology. 144Hz is flicker free since each eye sees 72Hz. Most of the time 120Hz (60Hz each eye) is also flicker free, however 120Hz is not used in the commercial movie theaters since each eye would experience 3:2 pulldown judder.

At 96Hz (48Hz for each eye) around 50% of the population sees an image flicker even on a high-end 3-chip DLP projector since a single light source projector requires dark time between each frame in order to allow glasses or a 3D modulator to switch. So 96Hz is not used in commercial movie theaters since half the human population will see a flicker with reduced 3-D image quality. At 144Hz that dark time between each frame is not detectable by the human eye when using both passive glasses and active shutter glasses. Most consumer 1080P flat panel plasmas and LCD displays use 120Hz and/or 96Hz with active glasses instead of the better quality 144Hz or 192Hz 3-D method. Therefore, 96Hz causes flicker problems and 120Hz causes 3:2 pulldown judder for each eye.

4K QUAD HD flat panel displays with passive glasses uses continuous stereo video imaging just like a dual projector IMAX setup

There are two types of 4K QUAD HD flat panel displays in terms of 3-D technology. One is the 4K QUAD HD flat panels that uses active glasses for a full resolution of 3840 x 2160 (However there is no consumer 3840 x 2160 3-D source material on the market yet). The other type of 4K QUAD HD display in terms of 3-D technology, uses passive glasses so that each eye can see a slightly different left eye 1080P image and right eye 1080P image. If one demos a 4K QUAD HD flat panel display they will see some of the best 3-D images on the market. Many professional reviews mentioned that the 1080P passive glasses picture quality on 4K QUAD HD displays is just as good or better when compared to a 2K 3-D IMAX experience except for IMAX having a larger screen.

Native 4K QUAD HD 3-D source material does not exist yet and the active glasses models operate like a single light source projector where dark time is displayed in between each frame. Therefore, until native 4K QUAD HD 3-D source material becomes a reality, there is no picture quality advantage currently when it comes to owning a 4K QUAD HD display that uses active glasses technology. Now in the future if a new optical disc format is released that supports 3-D at 3840 x 2160 resolution then active glasses 4K QUAD HD displays will have a resolution advantage.

The advantage of 4K QUAD HD displays that use passive glasses is that the native 3840 x 2160 display gets divided into a left eye 1080P section and a right eye 1080P section when playing back a frame packed Blu-ray 3-D movie. This is just like a dual projector 3-D IMAX type experience. This is also called continuous stereo video imaging since both left and right eyes always see a separate left and right image that is slightly different in order to produce the 3-D effect.

As far as I am aware all 4K QUAD HD flat panel displays still use 3:2 pulldown for each eye

In a dual IMAX 3-D type setup the 3-D source material is 48Hz and each eye sees a separate left eye and right eye 2K quality image using 24Hz for each eye. Since high-end DLP projectors have no dark time or very little dark time between frames there is no flicker at 24Hz. However, plasma and LCD flat panel displays are not as good when it comes to motion when compared to a high-end DLP projector. Plasma and LCD flat panel displays have an unwatchable flicker at 24Hz and that is why no flat panel exists that displays 2-D 1080p/24 material at 24Hz. Sometimes even at 48Hz there is a unwatchable flicker on plasmas and LCD flat panel displays. Therefore, plasma and LCD flat panel displays need to use a minimum of 60Hz for each eye to be flicker free. Currently as far as I am aware all 4K QUAD HD 3-D LCD flat panel screens use 3:2 pulldown 60Hz technology when displaying a Blu-ray 3-D movie. Usually this occurs when the 240Hz or 120Hz flat panel adds 3:2 pulldown to the Blu-ray frame packed source material and frame interpolation is added. The ideal 4K QUAD HD display should bypass the frame interpolation and 3:2 pulldown process.

There are currently no OLED or plasma 4K QUAD HD models on the market. The ideal 4K QUAD HD plasma display should operate at 72Hz or 96Hz using passive glasses. Then each eye would see a separate 72Hz 1080P or separate 96Hz 1080P image on the screen without the need to use 144Hz triple flash or 192Hz quad flash technology. I hope that LG and Samsung will start making 4K QUAD HD plasma models with continuous stereo video passive glasses technology which is similar to a dual IMAX projector type setup. OLED and LCD 4K QUAD HD displays would need to use 120Hz or 240Hz frame rates with a repeating frame method (no frame interpolation and no dark frame insertion).

In summary for a flat panel to be added to the 3-D 1080P Cinema quality frame rate list it most do the following

1. If the flat panel display is a native 1080P model it must be able to display Blu-ray frame packed 3-D movies at 144Hz (72Hz each eye) triple flash technology or 192Hz (96Hz each eye) quad flash technology. In addition, 2-D 1080p/24 source material must be displayed at multiplies of 24Hz like 72Hz, 96Hz, 120Hz, etc. The ability to turn off frame interpolation and 3:2 pulldown is required.

2. If the flat panel display is a native 4K QUAD HD model that uses 1080P passive glasses with continuous stereo video imaging, then it must be able to display Blu-ray frame packed 3-D movies at 72Hz for each eye, 96Hz for each eye, or higher multiples of 24Hz for each eye like 120Hz or 240Hz. The ability to turn off frame interpolation and 3:2 pulldown is required.

I was hoping that LG or Samsung would make a 3-D 1080P plasma display that uses 144Hz triple flash technology just like single light source projectors located in the commercial movie theaters use. Better yet would be a plasma or OLED 4K QUAD HD display that uses 72Hz, 96Hz, or 120Hz with continuous stereo video imaging. 4K QUAD HD flat panel displays that use passive glasses operate like a dual projector IMAX setup where each eye sees a separate left 1080P image and separate right 1080P image without the need to use 144Hz triple flash or 192Hz quad flash technology.