4K Movies Releases

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I get the concept and understand how it works, my action cam has hdr turned on all the time.
the technology was not the issue for me. I understand how it works
My problem is I don't rate or like it as something they are forcing on movies that have no right being changed.
Nor does it influence me buying a 4k set this week.

Nope, but they gave them a scare

I wish my team had only suffered a scare! I'm still fuming!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I wish my team had only suffered a scare! I'm still fuming!

With Tob’s heads-up I was able to record Arsenal v. Middlesbrough but I only got to see the highlights, or I guess lowlights, in your case, of the Sunderland FA Cup match. Man, talk about missed opportunities in progressing forward.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

With Tob’s heads-up I was able to record Arsenal v. Middlesbrough but I only got to see the highlights, or I guess lowlights, in your case, of the Sunderland FA Cup match. Man, talk about missed opportunities in progressing forward.

It got very ugly towards the end. Fans venting their anger at the team and Poyet. He is a dead man walking in football terms.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Nope, it smells of "3d didn't work we need something new"
Hdr is not that new of a concept really and it will require adoption and when director's/cinematographers still swear off digital I don't see it setting the world alight....

I see a broader-based sincere filmmaker interest in HDR (as opposed to 3D, at the same stage of its most recent resurgence several years ago) for the simple reason that filmmakers are rather intrigued by the idea of potentially bringing to viewers the content with the same contrast range as they are seeing it while shooting it.

This interest in HDR also has healthy grass roots support by independent scientists having no real *skin in the game* (For example(s)….http://infoscience.epfl.ch/record/20...015_HDREye.pdf ....http://infoscience.epfl.ch/record/20....pdf?version=1 )

to promote the tool for material gain, be it on a financially rewarded or non-financial symbiotic mutualistic relationship.

I don’t think that HDR will ‘set the world alight’ but think of it more as an important ingredient in the total recipe of increased bit depth, wider color gamut and increased resolution for improved picture quality with next gen video or theatrical cinema….and I think that’s what we all want, or at least to have the choice.

We are at the very beginning of the learning curve for HDR and I think the key will be to make the imagery look a little more real, while at the same time not appearing unnatural or distracting like many viewers have complained with/about in the past with the HFR 3D Hobbit motion pictures.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It got very ugly towards the end. Fans venting their anger at the team and Poyet. He is a dead man walking in football terms.

Any Youtube clips out there?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I just don't like how the stuff I have seen looks, hdr on my dash cam improves detail in shadow areas but for movies it looks wrong

I know you appreciate quality (I’ve seen your anti-DNR Youtube clip from back in-the-day) and I think your mindset on HDR would be different if you’d attended the SMPTE Symposium (hosted by HPA) last year at the El Capitan Theatre for a quick viewing of content done well....or at least not 'wrong'.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I see a broader-based sincere filmmaker interest in HDR (as opposed to 3D, at the same stage of its most recent resurgence several years ago) for the simple reason that filmmakers are rather intrigued by the idea of potentially bringing to viewers the content with the same contrast range as they are seeing it while shooting it.

This interest in HDR also has healthy grass roots support by independent scientists having no real *skin in the game* (For example(s)….http://infoscience.epfl.ch/record/20...015_HDREye.pdf ....http://infoscience.epfl.ch/record/20....pdf?version=1 )

to promote the tool for material gain, be it on a financially rewarded or non-financial symbiotic mutualistic relationship.

I don’t think that HDR will ‘set the world alight’ but think of it more as an important ingredient in the total recipe of increased bit depth, wider color gamut and increased resolution for improved picture quality with next gen video or theatrical cinema….and I think that’s what we all want, or at least to have the choice.

We are at the very beginning of the learning curve for HDR and I think the key will be to make the imagery look a little more real, while at the same time not appearing unnatural or distracting like many viewers have complained with/about in the past with the HFR 3D Hobbit motion pictures.

The guys who shoot film won't use HDR and some won't even like the look and leave it, all the old films will have to be changed.
I don't see Fincher, Tarantino, Nolan and more using it.
Look at a movie without any of the crew alive, who stated the wishes of how the wizard of Oz will look in hdr?
It's a minefield. I don't like it one bit.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Definitely. Can't wait for something shot with the new one. Hopefully sooner than later.

Your wish has been granted...
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...evenant-773966

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I know you appreciate quality (I’ve seen your anti-DNR Youtube clip from back in-the-day) and I think your mindset on HDR would be different if you’d attended the SMPTE Symposium (hosted by HPA) last year at the El Capitan Theatre for a quick viewing of content done well....or at least not 'wrong'.

Don't watch my yt stuff I beg of you!!

Intent is the thing for me.
You can turn any scene into eye candy, a whole film tho?!?!
Just look at dracula, the French Connection, any tealed up new master.
Intent was not there
Look a a beach bypass shoot like se7en or many Darius lensed films, they would've ruined if the lighting was messed with.
What was meant to be seen was meant to be seen, I don't need to see the brickwork in the shadows in zodiac unless Fincher shot it that way.

I have no doubt it can look good if the film was shot that way, and know the tech can be beneficial.
But for new films shot with that in mind.

[reanimator]

Or consider most film-noirs for that matter -- where losing details in the shadows was the whole point.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Intent is the thing for me.
You can turn any scene into eye candy, a whole film tho?!?!
Just look at dracula, the French Connection, any tealed up new master.
Intent was not there
Look a a beach bypass shoot like se7en or many Darius lensed films, they would've ruined if the lighting was messed with.
What was meant to be seen was meant to be seen, I don't need to see the brickwork in the shadows in zodiac unless Fincher shot it that way.

Believe me, I share your concern with catalog (meaning old, not new films). Perhaps you missed this past post – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...i#post10250245

As a follow-up, 2 days after I posed that concern, i.e. “was Ang Lee actively involved in the HDR remastered version of Life of Pi “?,----- the President of Fox H.E. went on record to say for the first time that Pi Director Ang Lee was indeed “involved” and “approved” the final look of the remastered version…same goes for Ridley Scott in regards to Exodus. So, unlike in the situation with this other Hollywood Studio executive regarding another type of remastering, I would have to take Mike (Dunn’s) word as being honest.

So then, the next logical question becomes was the HDR remastering according to the original intent of the Directors involved….if they had had the superior mastering (HDR) technology at their disposal back then?, i.e. how did they envision the motion picture in their minds without the shackles of dumbing down the imagery by current post production and exhibition standards? I don’t know , you’d have to ask/interview them about the details of specific scenes in order to allay your concerns about how the storytelling was conceived in their minds. The issue does become somewhat of a sticky wicket with regards to older (original version) motion pictures.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I have no doubt it can look good if the film was shot that way, and know the tech can be beneficial.
But for new films shot with that in mind.

As long as the HDR mastering is not abused or *exploited*, I don’t see this tool even being questioned 10 or so years from now. It will be accepted and even expected just like HD (rez) is over SD to all but the most casual or underprivileged viewer.

Why?

Beecause….due to the inherent nature of our neuro-ophthalmic system. The PhD and doctoral candidates from the Institute of Electrical Engineering in Lausanne touch on that concept in the Introduction of the first scientific paper which I linked above, i.e. Visual Attention…..

Simplistically, in layman’s terms, with the way a person sees, a human is more *excited* by brighter brights and darker darks. That’s just human nature, it’s an autonomic type reflex, a little like we breathe without even thinking about it. Anyway, with that *excitement* comes greater viewing satisfaction.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Any Youtube clips out there?

No, but my friend went down and he showed me recorded footage from his phone. The players and manager got the wrath of our fans. It was awful atmosphere in our end apparently. He did say sunderland fans were fighting amongst themselves (small handful) disgraceful day all round really. The tension at the stadium will be something else on Sarurday. I will fill you in as I am going as always.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

No, but my friend went down and he showed me recorded footage from his phone....

His phone? Steed, did you give him one of your small display lectures.

[Penton-Man]

For those 4K editing computer warriors out there….

NEW! 4K Capture Card from BMD.

Very reasonably priced and 10bit quality…. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/pre...se/20150216-01

[bailey1987]

Is there any word on when we can expect iTunes trailers and other ilk to start offering trailers to the UHD spec?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

His phone? Steed, did you give him one of your small display lectures.

he is a home cinema fan like me.

He isn't buying my smartwatch future either!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

...The tension at the stadium will be something else on Sarurday. I will fill you in as I am going as always.

Leaves you free for Oscar Sunday.

[Penton-Man]

Steven is back!, wearing various filmmaking motion picture hats...since his speech on the State of Cinema ….http://blog.sffs.org/home/2013/4/ste...transcripthtml <- Steed, you may enjoy the story at the very beginning about the ‘white guy in his mid-30’s’ presumably prepared to watch 5½ hr. of “mayhem porn” on his iPad.

Anyway, he’s back with some 4K finishing on Magic Mike XXL, despite not (as of this posting) yet being enumerated as such on imdb…http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2268016/...ef_=tt_dt_spec

P.S.
For those bidness boys and girls reading out there, I’ll paraphrase something Steven said during the speech for those unaware of costs....*we only needed $5 million to make the Liberace movie but the studios needed it to gross $70 million to even want to do it. That doesn't work.*

[jono3000]

So CES in January bought the first prototype UHDBD player, official name and specifications. When would it be reasonable to expect further announcements from manufacturers on release dates and prices for players, and for distributors to announce the first retail discs?