Forget 4K, Now 8K is Coming

[Novartis]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

ridiculous.... they're reaching for levels that the average consumer doesn't care about and will never pay big bucks for....

That is not how you innovate. If the same thing was said of any new tech then we would still be using the 8" floppies.

With this you could have an "HD wall" in your room. Think of the possibilities?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Novartis

That is not how you innovate. If the same thing was said of any new tech then we would still be using the 8" floppies.

With this you could have an "HD wall" in your room. Think of the possibilities?

Stuff the masses. They are just sheep.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Stuff the masses. They are just sheep.

Stee, you’re being too professional with your wording.

Scroll (about 7 down) to what Guillermo del Toro said this week at CinemaCon about audiences.
https://twitter.com/Variety_Stewart

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Novartis

That is not how you innovate. If the same thing was said of any new tech then we would still be using the 8" floppies.

With this you could have an "HD wall" in your room. Think of the possibilities?

I haven’t checked so I’m not sure if that insight made it into the videoclip linked here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...re#post7404949

because it was discussed in the lengthy Q&A following the speaker presentations but, large future television systems (in essence covering much of a wall in your home/apartment) are anticipated/hoped to be derived from rollable OLED tech and tileable (like tiles in one’s bathroom) technology with seamless tiling vis-à-vis something like top emission OLED tiles.

[Jack9909090]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

ridiculous.... they're reaching for levels that the average consumer doesn't care about and will never pay big bucks for....

I don't see the point. 4k might be good for tablets. At least you're close enough to see the difference. Most people don't have their noses stuck to the screen. But even then i think its overkill. Most movies were never filmed in 4k. It is like buying an old TV show on Blu-Ray. You're just getting an upconverted copy. Also Format wars just ended 5 years ago. It seems stupid to force another media format on the market. Hell there is a lot of movies that never made it to DVD, Alone Blu-Ray. And Frankly I don't think anyone other than videophile cares. I think the proof of that is the Market Share for Blu-Ray is still small compared to DVD. I have not seen it stay above 35% for long. If everybody was a Videophile. Blu-Ray would have already taken over DVD. Frankly I am not going rush out a buy and new TV, new player, and new disc. Because they will release 30k in a year. and the cycle starts all over again. Its too much of a pain in the ass. Besides if quality was the only thing people cared about. Then CD's should be selling like hot cakes and Mp3 players would be failed product. And Netflix and Hulu would be dead in the water.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Jack9909090

I don't see the point. 4k might be good for tablets. At least you're close enough to see the difference. Most people don't have their noses stuck to the screen. But even then i think its overkill. Most movies were never filmed in 4k. It is like buying an old TV show on Blu-Ray. You're just getting an upconverted copy. Also Format wars just ended 5 years ago. It seems stupid to force another media format on the market. Hell there is a lot of movies that made it to DVD, Alone Blu-Ray. And Frankly I don't think anyone other than videophile cares. I think the proof of that is the Market Share for Blu-Ray is still small compared to DVD. I have not seen it stay above 35% for long. If everybody was a Videophile. Blu-Ray would have already taken over DVD. Frankly I am not going rush out a buy and new TV, new player, and new disc. Because they will release 30k in a year. and the cycle starts all over again. Its too much of a pain in the ass. Besides if quality was the only people cared about. Then CD's should be selling like hot cakes and Mp3 players would be failed product. And Netflix and Hulu would be dead in the water.

It's for collectors. Those that appreciate the quality. Who cares about the sheep?

[swaseem]

I bet 16k isn't looming too far behind either LOL

The more sophisticated the disc gets the more applications it'll have to offer beyond home entertainment. The applications seem much better suited to astronomy or microbiology or something that requires enchancing acute detail for research.

[albey000]

Originally Posted by Jack9909090

Most movies were never filmed in 4k.

TRUE - but the resolution was still similar.
Most movies were filmed in 35mm, which is the equivalent or slightly better than 4K. In fact some were filmed in much higher quality formats than 4K.
The sound of music was filmed in 70mm, which is the equivalent of 8K. And that was done in 1965 !!!

[punkguy03]

8k Jeez, good luck getting this to take off.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by albey000

TRUE - but the resolution was still similar.
Most movies were filmed in 35mm, which is the equivalent or slightly better than 4K. In fact some were filmed in much higher quality formats than 4K.
The sound of music was filmed in 70mm, which is the equivalent of 8K. And that was done in 1965 !!!

But on screen sizes under 100 inches at typical viewing distances it will be very hard for most to tell the difference between 2K(HD) and 4K(UHD).

4K and above have their place... at commercial theaters.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

ridiculous.... they're reaching for levels that the average consumer doesn't care about and will never pay big bucks for....

Already there! 1080p is my "good enough" threshold. No way am I replacing my current blu ray library with 4K or 8K!

[steve1971]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

ridiculous.... they're reaching for levels that the average consumer doesn't care about and will never pay big bucks for....

Yep and your seeing that with the average consumer with 4K.

[pentatonic]

As a relatively neutral observer, there are a few points I don't get.

1st, since when do "ophiles" aren't into tech that promises to be better?

2nd, Many 4K were introduced this year, not many will sell outside of the ones who have the $ anyways, or the retail drops in a few. But by next year I expect the 2nd in line series to also have 4K. And so on. As you all know, price per unit comes down real fast in the panel market when production is at full, and having to keep running an "old" line and stocking old parts soon doesn't make sens anyways. So I'd bet a big amount that within 5 years, anyone who has real interest in HT will be buying 4K.

3rd, I somehow think many mix 2 things in this debate. For now we look at those sets and compare them to a ZT60, and led just isn't there yet. But plasma is quickly dying, so the debate will be a mid level 1080p lcd or top tier 4K 10 bit oled, or whatever new lcd tech that is the best. For now we have to compare to other LCDs. And I'd also bet a large chunk that if Panasonic had introduced a 70" 4K ZTS-70 REC 2020 set, this conversation just wouldn't be happening.

Just food for thought guys.

Be nice now

[octagon]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

1st, since when do "ophiles" aren't into tech that promises to be better?

I don't think one can assume everyone here is a gearhead. Some people are obsessed with black levels and color accuracy, some are content with displays that get pretty close. Some people are extremely sensitive to edge enhancement and compression artifacts and noise reduction, some aren't. Some people want a 80 or 90 inch display in their living rooms, some (quite possibly many on this one) don't.

And as of now we don't really have any clear idea of just how much better future generations promise to be.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

As a relatively neutral observer, there are a few points I don't get.

1st, since when do "ophiles" aren't into tech that promises to be better?

2nd, Many 4K were introduced this year, not many will sell outside of the ones who have the $ anyways, or the retail drops in a few. But by next year I expect the 2nd in line series to also have 4K. And so on. As you all know, price per unit comes down real fast in the panel market when production is at full, and having to keep running an "old" line and stocking old parts soon doesn't make sens anyways. So I'd bet a big amount that within 5 years, anyone who has real interest in HT will be buying 4K.

3rd, I somehow think many mix 2 things in this debate. For now we look at those sets and compare them to a ZT60, and led just isn't there yet. But plasma is quickly dying, so the debate will be a mid level 1080p lcd or top tier 4K 10 bit oled, or whatever new lcd tech that is the best. For now we have to compare to other LCDs. And I'd also bet a large chunk that if Panasonic had introduced a 70" 4K ZTS-70 REC 2020 set, this conversation just wouldn't be happening.

Just food for thought guys.

Be nice now

That's how I feel. It's hard to believe people don't want the best. It's even harder to understand the minority (videophiles) not wanting the best.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

1st, since when do "ophiles" aren't into tech that promises to be better?

[/QUOTE]

I know there are some philes but don't forget

1) you don't need to pass a test to be here. And there was a time (and might still be) when this site was the first thing to pop up when googling BD. I am sure there are many that ended up here trying to get a bit more info on the format because they did not know anything about it and ended up staying. And don't forget the power of individual threads either, on a different forum there was a thread on some bad speakers (won't mention the name) sold from the back of vans by conman, eventually it became an idiot trap where you had people going there either to gloat about the great deal or to find out how to hook them up

2) don't forget human nature, there is a reason the fable of the fox and the grapes exists and the expression sour grapes is so common.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DGates01

Forget 4K, Now 8K is Coming

Well not "Now" but, don't be surprised if it can be accomplished (for things such as TV shows and movies) in the future...
http://www.tvbeurope.com/main-conten...s#.UXGIkrVtjkc

[Tok]

4K is going to be a nonstarter. The only way you'll get content now is streaming which means 4K in-name only.

No native broadcasts. 4k/UHD is just a gimmick to sell TVs.

[dragon316]

disappointing with bluray lately didn't expect 8k to get any news for another 10 years or so first 4k now 8k is hitting light you make something make it right first time what is next after 8k, 16k, downloading movies to buy from amazon or iTunes for download?

[Steedeel]

what?