Archived: Insiders Thread

[Penton-Man]

Seems like somebody (a guy from Australia ?, New Zealand ?) asked me something like what “master” tapes are used as a source to make Blu-ray discs.

I think the query was posted just before the site maintenance today and somehow was inadvertently deleted.

So, anyway, to the guy that asked, my answer is……………

Either HD D5 or HDCAM SR® tapes.
Progressive studios like Sony Pictures have moved to HDCAM SR® (this HD format offers a full Common Image Format 1920×1080 sampling structure on 1/2in. cassettes) for quite some time.

Sony's HDCAM SR® is the bomb and in my opinion, employs a more optimal scheme than the HD D5 platform.

P.S.
Hey paid, tell Rick Harding he owes me ^ a free dinner.

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

HD-DVD doesn't have a coating. It shares the same physical layering as a DVD, which is why DVD replicators can be retrofitted to print HD-DVD (albeit slower) while it cannot for BD. HD-DVD has what DVD has: a non-scratch resistant cover layer.

But remember they have higher data density than DVD, so the same scratch that doesn't matter on DVD can be fatal for HD DVD playback....

enjoy
gandalf

[martinstraka8282]

To any of the insiders:

I've never posted on this thread before, but here is a first.

I was just wondering in general if behind the scenes there is as much panic going on as there is on these boards. I can't help but wonder if the people on the inside look at the whole format war as desperate as we do, or if it is looked at as a long drawn out process that will be won over time as opposed to a studio or B&M buyout. I was also wanting to know if the Paramount buyout was reacted to on the inside like it was in the media... as in OMG the world is ending.

I see this whole war as a long process not an overnight buyout, and that overwhelming support from ce manufacturers will eventually mean victory.

[WickyWoo]

As a semi-insider looking in, no, there isn't the panic

If for no other reason, it's because the people on these forums typically don't understand how the home video business works, what certain things mean and how thing affect each other. Why are they running ads one place but not another? Why aren't we seeing ad blitzes? How can they allow X to get away with Y? Why aren't they putting out all the great titles lickity split?


While the BDA certainly has screwed up royally in many respects, especially because they didn't take the threats seriously, and once battle was joined did not know how to fight a format war, I seriously don't think they feel the panic

On the HD side, there is definately panic. Ken Graffeo, Alan Bell, Amir and Kevin Collins definately have their asses on the chopping block when the HD ship goes down, because someone always has to take the fall. They're doubly scared because unlike most times when an exec moves on, they've burned a whole ton of bridges, and there won't be another studio sitting there waiting to catch them. Look at Nickerson, he went from head at argueably the biggest home video company to a podunk startup. No one pays out the kind of money Microsoft/Toshiba is throwing around without being in a panic, and I believe that as long as Blu continues its current path (sure there's going to be off weeks like the 16th), that Warner will fall, and Uni will go neutral soon enough. Sometimes things don't happen as fast as we would like, but there are contracts out there to be honored, because some companies aren't going to be jerks about it.

[PeterTHX]

Either HD D5 or HDCAM SR® tapes.

They're still using tape?

One would think they'd move to an array type system now.

On the HD side, there is definately panic. Ken Graffeo, Alan Bell, Amir and Kevin Collins definately have their asses on the chopping block when the HD ship goes down

Graffeo is slippery enough to escape to the download part of Universal's media block.
I also bet they'd re-use their encodings on BD the same way Warner does.

[WickyWoo]

They're still using tape?

One would think they'd move to an array type system now.

You need it to be portable.

Graffeo is slippery enough to escape to the download part of Universal's media block.
I also bet they'd re-use their encodings on BD the same way Warner does.

50/50 at best, and yes I'm 100% positive they'll recycle

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by GaS

He wants to play with your mind.

Yes, he does P-Man is awesome, and he loves the attention.

[Nighthawk]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

On the HD side, there is definately panic. Ken Graffeo, Alan Bell, Amir and Kevin Collins definately have their asses on the chopping block when the HD ship goes down, because someone always has to take the fall

I absolutely agree with this statement.
And you can add Craig Kornblau to this list.

[fyzziks]

Originally Posted by kjack

Wow, 10 seconds after posting...

7.1 analog out
Dolby TrueHD 7.1 decoding or bitstream over HDMI
DTS-HD MA 7.1 decoding or bitstream over HDMI
1080p24 and 1080p60 output supported

This particular design supports SD PiP and can support Profile 2. That's all I'll say for now.

kjack, I just saw this way back in the dim, distant past...

Can you make any sort of ballpark estimate on what a player with this SoC could sell for? As you know, the only announced player with DTS-MA decoding on board is the rather costly Denon, and it would be good to know if it was possible to build one with that feature at a significantly lower price point (say between $500 and $1k).

Thanks.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

You need it to be portable.

Exactly, how do you think Uni got the master of Miami Vice on up to the Redmond folk to encode ?

Plus, yous gots to have a reliable way to get those 4:4:4 D-Cinema exhibition masters to Cannes for a 3 D screening in time.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by BlueNeon

Yes, he does P-Man is awesome, and he loves the attention.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...d=1#post247199

[Bullseye]

Why do studios need to sign contracts to support one or the other in the firstplace? Surely it is the BDA and Toshiba who should be chasing the studio to release films why would they need to be exclusive? Surely 150million is only chicken feed to the studios.

[kaliraver]

Originally Posted by fyzziks

kjack, I just saw this way back in the dim, distant past...

Can you make any sort of ballpark estimate on what a player with this SoC could sell for? As you know, the only announced player with DTS-MA decoding on board is the rather costly Denon, and it would be good to know if it was possible to build one with that feature at a significantly lower price point (say between $500 and $1k).

Thanks.

Doesn't the new Samsung Blu-Ray player BDP-1400 have this? http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/28...audio-support/

[Rio]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Either HD D5 or HDCAM SRR tapes.
Progressive studios like Sony Pictures have moved to HDCAM SRR (this HD format offers a full Common Image Format 1920×1080 sampling structure on 1/2in. cassettes) for quite some time.

Sony's HDCAM SR is the bomb without 1440-line filtering and less compression than HD D5 tapes.

Penton,

As far as I know, HD D5 is a full 1920x1080 sampling on a 1/2 tape with DCT based 1/4 compression. 1440 sub-sampling as well as 3:1:1 color sampling is a technique used for HDCAM (not SR) with 1/7 compression on a 1/2 tape. Panasonic's another HD format DVCPRO-HD, mainly for ENG use, uses 1280 sub-sampling with 4:2:2 color sampling. They are also developing JPEG2000 based 2K recording processor for HD D5, and I frame only AVC compression for ENG recording.

FYI, some of studios are using non-compressed master (HDD is a delivery media).

As to authoring post houses, I don't think any of them has a liberty to disclose on-going (or even after releasing) titles without their client's permission. paidgeek is an exception, since SPE acts as both title publisher and post house.

[Mosman22]

First off i want to start off by thanking all the insiders who post here. It is really great you take the time to help educate and inform us blu-ray supporters. I just got into the hi-def game with the sony 52' xbr 4, the onkyo 705, and a ps3.

I was wondering wether i will ever be able to enjoy the full ability of my equipment. Will high def media ever take adavantage of deep color. Are there any plans to release blu-ray discs or ps3 with xvycc color. Additionaly If you did release a disc with xvcolor would it be backwards compatible with 8-bit display and players that don't support deep color.

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by Mosman22

First off i want to start off by thanking all the insiders who post here. It is really great you take the time to help educate and inform us blu-ray supporters. I just got into the hi-def game with the sony 52' xbr 4, the onkyo 705, and a ps3.

I was wondering wether i will ever be able to enjoy the full ability of my equipment. Will high def media ever take adavantage of deep color. Are there any plans to release blu-ray discs or ps3 with xvycc color. Additionaly If you did release a disc with xvcolor would it be backwards compatible with 8-bit display and players that don't support deep color.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...lor#post236775

enjoy
gandalf

[fyzziks]

Originally Posted by kaliraver69

Doesn't the new Samsung Blu-Ray player BDP-1400 have this? http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/28...audio-support/

Nope, AFAIK the 1400 will output DTS-MA as bitstream only, no on-board decoding.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Rio

Penton,

As far as I know..........

Hi Rio.

No coincidence you show up on this particular page of this particular thread, eh ?
If I misspoke, I defer to your expertise.

P.S.
At 24fps how many minutes can you get out of the longest HDCAM SR tape when shooting with a Sony HDC-F950 Camera?
a. 20 min.
b. 30 min.
c. 40 min.
d. 50 min.
e. none of the above.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Rio

Penton,

As to authoring post houses, I don't think any of them has a liberty to disclose on-going (or even after releasing) titles without their client's permission. paidgeek is an exception, since SPE acts as both title publisher and post house.

Believe me, if the lawyers had their way, he wouldn’t be posting anything on any forum.
Ever notice how all of his posts almost sound like reading the transcript of a deposed witness ?

Coincidence ?................NOT.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Mosman22

First off i want to start off by thanking all the insiders who post here. It is really great you take the time to help educate and inform us blu-ray supporters. I just got into the hi-def game with the sony 52' xbr 4, the onkyo 705, and a ps3.

I was wondering wether i will ever be able to enjoy the full ability of my equipment. Will high def media ever take adavantage of deep color. Are there any plans to release blu-ray discs or ps3 with xvycc color. Additionaly If you did release a disc with xvcolor would it be backwards compatible with 8-bit display and players that don't support deep color.

Already discussed.

Search paidgeek’s very recent past posts on this thread for his comments on “deep” color and search my recent past posts on this thread for my comments on xvYCC color also known as “extended” or “wide” color.

One thing I will add though. All is not lost with seeing xvYCC sometime in the future as it is no biggie at all technologically for current broadcast transmission systems to encode a wider color gamat.

The real fly in the ointment is getting the broadcasters and producers
to open up the gamut, which they may be reluctant to unless they can be reassured about certain things.

I for one desire the Digital Cinema color gamut in my home theater for watching TV shows at least……if we can’t get that implemented on high-def optical media in the near future. Plus, you budding filmmakers out there can look forward to those HD Camcorders coming out to utilize it.