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[Jeff Kleist]

Penton was being sarcastic

I just spoke with someone who was involved with the 2-disc DVDs, who is a renowned expert on Trek and all of its intricacies (people WOULD recognize the name), and he looked at the shots on a high quality monitor, and and agrees they are not out of line for what he knows to be the general look and/or feel of these films, and he is passionate and is completely educated in filmmaking, remastering and restoration and has directed multiple films himself.

So until such time as I see them and see differently, I stand by previous evaluations

People asking about AOD, nothing back on that yet.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

It's a legit concern, but hypothetically bill or I should have the trek sets in hand by early next week, and then we can take a firsthand look at them and make a real determination

Heck, Ferris Bueller exhibits all of the same characteristics I'm seeing in those Trek6 shots when paused, but it looks just fine in motion, suprisingly fine actually, I was expecting it to look like utter garbage

That sounds like a good plan as that's how we do it when our attention is brought to a potential 'problem disc'........actually, the disc is compared side-by-side to the HD master either on split screen or two adjacent displays synched toghether.

If this really becomes an issue maybe Bill can drive up north and arrange a personal visit with the respective people for such a side-by-side demo.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Penton was being sarcastic

I just spoke with someone who was involved with the 2-disc DVDs, who is a renowned expert on Trek and all of its intricacies (people WOULD recognize the name), and he looked at the shots on a high quality monitor, and and agrees they are not out of line for what he knows to be the general look and/or feel of these films, and he is passionate and is completely educated in filmmaking, remastering and restoration and has directed multiple films himself.

Your 'renowned expert' means nothing, screenshots posted on the internet are the defacto standard for determining excessive artifacts arising from digital noise reduction.

Didn't you get the memo from *science*?

Now, I'm being sarcastic.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

he himself “needs an eye exam” ……no offense intended.

Now where is that rimshot gif? Sorry.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

That's not true at all

Preparation and work on the movies began over a year ago, this I know for a fact

The extended cut of 1 was a case of people making assumptions that 1 was already the director's cut. Studios aren't monoliths, and especially at the top there is a LOT of turnover. The regime that did the DVD is 3 generations gone now. By the time they found out what they had, there wasn't time to reassemble ST1 and commission new FX, but this set is absolutely by no means a rush job

I was told by someone at Paramount that the cleanup team even did the newer movies before the older ones specifcally because they could apply the knowlege gained from the newer into making the older ones better

Personally I'm curious whether they know where they are/have audio for a lot of these deleted scenes. There has to be a reason why they weren't included at all in the previous DVDs

People have been freaking out from the beginning over the boxset. Sadly.

First it was freaking out that the Director/Extended cuts weren't there.

Then it was freaking out cause they believed only Star Trek II was given any restoration. Simply over the announcement that it was fully restored. Of course, without those people realizing that only Star Trek II needed fully restored because the film had deteriorated. Sometimes I question how great the internet actually is.

Honestly? I'm only paying $43 and change for the set anyway. So I'm upgrading.

[NL197]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’m sure they don’t, I was being facetious.
In fact, I know of no studio, major content provider or post house that cares either, as that forum lost its credibility a long time ago (see my signature)..

On these there internets, can't ever be too sure!

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

The Trek6 shots look like a feature shot Super35 in 1992 or whenever it was, on a low budget with soft filtering which is inherent to the general look and feel of the photographic process and the series in general. Trek 6 has and always will look like crap.

Yep. It was made for $27 million (the same as Star Trek V), reused sets from The Next Generation and a lot of cash went to ILM and star salaries.

And I didn't, I simply stated that AVS's opinions on DNR and EE are guilty until proven innocent that they're overreactive and that they don't know what they're talking about based on dozens of previous chicken littleings on their part. Meanwhile, Paramount would be innocent until proven guilty based on their track record over the last year in terms of quality and the known characteristics of the films in question, combined with the fact that except in extreme cases like Longest Day (which this isn't even close to even if it is DNR'd) or most New Line discs, screenshots simply don't tell the story.

I'm also wondering if some of the supposed "DNR" is actually the makeup that had to pancaked on to keep the cast looking photogenic!

[Xorp]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

The Trek6 shots look like a feature shot Super35 in 1992 or whenever it was, on a low budget with soft filtering which is inherent to the general look and feel of the photographic process and the series in general. Trek 6 has and always will look like crap.

Some filmstock can look like crap by today's standard no doubt, but at no point does STVI look like film. It probably has the most amount of digital processing I have ever seen. The "cleanup crew" turned it into a oil painting. I would have just preferred a soft image that had actual grain.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

Sorry to end your fun for the day.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

b.t.w., for the record, I received a plethora of e-mails from members complaining about a post on the last page that people believed was outright disrespectful to Jeff, despite the fact that it was prefaced with the words “no offense” and ended with the words “no offense intended”.

I read it and agreed; therefore, it was deleted.
If the author of that post “can’t see” that it was disrespectful and rude to Jeff, then I suggest that he himself “needs an eye exam” ……no offense intended.

Wow. While I certainly don't intend any claims that my "no offense"s exonerate me of whatever wrongdoing might sit between them (and lord knows the number of posts on internet forums which follow the formula: "No offense, but [SOMETHING OFFENSIVE]."), well... I guess I need an eye exam.

I'm one of the people who posted in that thread over there (not a poster of screenshots), so I was a little miffed by Jeff's pat assertion that it was just a bunch of idiots, but whatever.

The bottom line is that regardless of the way Jeff's comments struck me, I sincerely thought my comments were entirely within the framework of the discussion terms and were meant only to challenge assumptions for the sake of opening debate.

Again, people seem to be taking my comments in a much harsher and less friendly spirit than I ever intended them (which I'm not saying is anyone's fault- yours or mine- just the way it seems to be), so I'm going to do everyone a big ol' favor and just shut my trap and read for a while.

Sorry for the mess, everybody. I guess I suck at the internet.





Jeff, I don't know if I have any credibility left around here, with the number of times I've been misunderstood, but I hope you can believe my sincerity when I say that I never meant to be rude and I hope you received my comments in the way that I meant them.

[Beast]

Now... back to the thread. Jeff or Bill...

Any word on extras for the TMNT Blu-Ray Boxset?

All the swag is nice, but some substantial extras would be nicer swag.

Please tell me they're not gonna cheap out with barebones for the older films.

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by Beast

Now... back to the thread. Jeff or Bill...

Any word on extras for the TMNT Blu-Ray Boxset?

All the swag is nice, but some substantial extras would be nicer swag.

Please tell me they're not gonna cheap out with barebones for the older films.

Also, any word on the Army of Darkness: Screwhead Edition being delayed or ETA?

[Q?]

Will this release be worthwhile?
you guys have any clue if PQ and AQ will be Blu-ray worthy?
thanks

[NoQuestion]

Originally Posted by Q!

Will this release be worthwhile?
you guys have any clue if PQ and AQ will be Blu-ray worthy?
thanks

Its being released by FOX/MGM. Most of their recent titles have been top notch, no reason to expect anything less with this one.

[TrevorGoddardsson]

Hi Jeff, any word on some Johnny Depp blu-rays like once upon a time in mexico, fear and loathing in las vegas or ed wood? Thanks

[Jeff Kleist]

I haven't seen the G/B/U disc so I can't comment

Nothing on the Depp stuff, I hope Ed Wood comes out sooner than it did on DVD

Nothing on TMNT yet, but Kevin Eastman said it'd be "cool" when I saw him in Northhampton last year (we chatted a bunch of times when Words and Pictures was open, man I miss that place)

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

I haven't seen the G/B/U disc so I can't comment

Nothing on the Depp stuff, I hope Ed Wood comes out sooner than it did on DVD

Nothing on TMNT yet, but Kevin Eastman said it'd be "cool" when I saw him in Northhampton last year (we chatted a bunch of times when Words and Pictures was open, man I miss that place)

Any comment on Army of Darkness: Screwhead Edition?

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

Any comment on Army of Darkness: Screwhead Edition?

Sorry it's not good news.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1143637

[Jeff Kleist]

yeah i said it a few posts back that there's no new info

[Batman1980]

Jeff if it's not too much trouble, could you tell us everything that goes into bringing a catalog title to blu-ray? I would love to know thanks.