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PaulGo · 11-15-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

There are plenty of reasons to hate them besides that, and as someone with extensive Apple support experience (6 years) I consider it well founded, and I've hated Macs pretty much since day one, having cut my teeth on Commodore, the Atari 800, and Apple 2

Anyway, thus endeth the weekend fun

What no Amiga! I had the Atari 400 (expanded with a real keyboard and extra memory) along with several Amiga computers. I did have an old Mac computer but now I have a Windows 7 desktop and laptop. I still like the simplicity of the Apple OS and curse every time I get registry errors in Windows. And don't get me started withe the Windows event viewer that show errors that are next to impossible to fix because you can't decipher the Windows solutions (or the solutions don't exist).

aygie · 11-15-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

having cut my teeth on Commodore, the Atari 800, and Apple 2

Commodore and BBC Micro for me

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Anyway, thus endeth the weekend fun

Ok, message received.

Jeff Kleist · 11-15-2010, 03:52 PM

My friend had an Amiga, but we never did. I did however do 3 of my 6 years of Mac support with an ex-Commodore engineer (Commodore HQ was 20min from my house) who felt much the same way. They were great computers, way ahead of their time. They were using them in Hollywood for low budget productions (editing and FX) up through the late 90s, well after Commodore went the way of the dodo

Anthony P · 11-16-2010, 04:18 AM

My first computer was the Comodore 64. I wanted an Amiga as a replacement but my parents came back with an IBM PS2 model 30.

Doctorossi · 11-16-2010, 01:22 PM

Commodore 128 w/256k RAM cartridge- that's 384k of screaming POWER! Throw in a 300baud modem and you're swapping 'Mancopter' high scores all night.

It was indeed a step up from the Vic20 with audio cassette drive, though.

Doctorossi · 11-16-2010, 06:03 PM

Hey Jeff, have you Bits guys managed to dig up anything further on the Kubrick box yet? In light of the apparent cancellation of the Trumbull documentary (

), I really just want to know if the whole boxset project has been canceled or just scaled back.

Jeff Kleist · 11-16-2010, 06:10 PM

I'll ask Bill if he heard anything

Doctorossi · 11-16-2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

I'll ask Bill if he heard anything

Thanks, Bill! (among other things, I'm trying to decide whether to grab The Shining or wait for a re-master)

Batman1980 · 11-16-2010, 08:03 PM

Jeff and Bill, any word on a proper release for Illusionist? I really want to get it but I need subtitles so I've been holding off on getting it.

cjamescook · 11-16-2010, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Commodore 128 w/256k RAM cartridge- that's 384k of screaming POWER! Throw in a 300baud modem ...

You had 256K? with 300 baud?

My first computer had 16k and 110 baud output.

Yes, it was a PDP-8/e.

Doctorossi · 11-16-2010, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cjamescook

You had 256K? with 300 baud?

My first computer had 16k and 110 baud output.

Yes, it was a PDP-8/e.

Second, after the 20k/50baud Vic20.

MerrickG · 11-17-2010, 12:20 AM

Finished Black Ops on veteran. It might honestly be the best Call of Duty of all of them. It was a blast.

In short, PLAY IT (Jeff and DR. Ossi

)

Finished it just in time to start Assassins Creed Brotherhood.

DenonCI · 11-17-2010, 12:23 AM

Hopefully Santa brings it to me. Which version did you play Merrick (XBOX 360, PS3, or PC)?

MerrickG · 11-17-2010, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by denonci

hopefully santa brings it to me. Which version did you play merrick (xbox 360, ps3, or pc)?

360 for Black Ops. PS3 for AC:BH.

wallendo · 11-17-2010, 02:09 AM

All of you started with powerful computers. My first was a Sinclair ZX-81 with a full 1 K of RAM. Of course I splurged and bought the 16K expansion module.

al cos. · 11-17-2010, 03:46 AM

Speaking of 80s computers, a blu of TRON seems conspicuously absent right now. Do the various theories out there about why have any weight?
(Also, the director said he was working on a new transfer. Does that mean the version recently shown on HDnet is going out the window?)

Jeff Kleist · 11-17-2010, 05:51 AM

I don't know what the conspiracy theories are saying, but the new master was finished rather recently. I don't have HDNet, so I can't say if they've been showing the new one or not. I know the film well enough that I'd probably spot the kind of tweaks he was talking about making if I did watch it.

Tron should come out the same time as legacy, and it should look about as good as it can without going back and repainting/compositing the entire movie (one of the reasons among many that I hope that Legacy does boffo box office, personally I'm expecting it to do much better in Europe and Asia than it does here). Please also keep in mind that the humans in the computer scenes, barring a remastering miracle can and will look like total garbage due to all the optical compositing.

al cos. · 11-17-2010, 06:31 AM

The HDnet version was on back in the spring, it looked "un-tweaked" to me. (The rumor was some kids at focus groups were shown the original movie, thought it was goofy, and they didn't want that sentiment around for the sequel.)

Jeff Kleist · 11-17-2010, 07:06 AM

While I'm sure they did focus group the original, and that is certainly a likely outcome, I would say that when they put it up on a screen to evaluate the master, they decided to redo it. If you saw it in the spring, it was not the new master

Disney home video knows very well the market for Tron by now. They've been selling it for closing in on 30 years

The fact that they're only now doing it, so close to release of the sequel, supports that more than the "keep that weird crap away from my shiny new movie" scenario. Had that been the case, what you saw in the spring would have been the new master.

I can't say if there will be new extras, the original DVD producer, Robert Burnett is off making his own movies and last time I talked with him he hadn't been contacted at all. Often they'll ring them up to see if there's any leftovers from the last go-round that didn't get finished they can do up cheaply for a re-issue

Not that Robert's work wasn't thourough. If you've never seen the 2-disc Tron DVD you're in for a treat

jaaguir · 11-17-2010, 02:23 PM

Jeff, what's the idea behind including a dvd of "The shop around the corner" with the blu-ray of "You've got mail"? Why not a double-feature with both movies in high-def?
I'm guessing they don't want to hurt sales for a possible future release of the classic, but then why include anything at all? If they want to promote classics among new buyers, wouldn't a HD presentation be much better?
Do they think anyone who bought the blu-ray will want to watch an old movie in SD, and like it so much that they'll buy it whenever it's released on blu-ray? It's the only productive outcome I can think of...
I understand the current solution is cheap but the old movie must have been mastered in HD back in the day anyway so at least they could have included an encoding of that.
Thanks

11-16-2010, 06:03 PM	#13426
Doctorossi Blu-ray Knight Member since:Feb 2009 4K collection:134 Blu-ray collection:478	Hey Jeff, have you Bits guys managed to dig up anything further on the Kubrick box yet? In light of the apparent cancellation of the Trumbull documentary (), I really just want to know if the whole boxset project has been canceled or just scaled back.

11-17-2010, 06:31 AM	#13438
al cos. Senior Member Member since:Apr 2009	The HDnet version was on back in the spring, it looked "un-tweaked" to me. (The rumor was some kids at focus groups were shown the original movie, thought it was goofy, and they didn't want that sentiment around for the sequel.) Last edited by al cos.; 11-17-2010 at 06:34 AM.

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11-15-2010, 03:52 PM	#13423
Jeff Kleist The Digital Bits Member since:Jul 2008 Trading Score:1	My friend had an Amiga, but we never did. I did however do 3 of my 6 years of Mac support with an ex-Commodore engineer (Commodore HQ was 20min from my house) who felt much the same way. They were great computers, way ahead of their time. They were using them in Hollywood for low budget productions (editing and FX) up through the late 90s, well after Commodore went the way of the dodo

11-16-2010, 04:18 AM	#13424
Anthony P Blu-ray Count Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Montreal, Canada	My first computer was the Comodore 64. I wanted an Amiga as a replacement but my parents came back with an IBM PS2 model 30.

11-16-2010, 01:22 PM	#13425
Doctorossi Blu-ray Knight Member since:Feb 2009 4K collection:134 Blu-ray collection:478	Commodore 128 w/256k RAM cartridge- that's 384k of screaming POWER! Throw in a 300baud modem and you're swapping 'Mancopter' high scores all night. It was indeed a step up from the Vic20 with audio cassette drive, though.

11-16-2010, 06:10 PM	#13427
Jeff Kleist The Digital Bits Member since:Jul 2008 Trading Score:1	I'll ask Bill if he heard anything

11-16-2010, 08:03 PM	#13429
Batman1980 Blu-ray Jedi Member since:Feb 2009 Location:District 13 Home Theater Gallery:8 4K collection:146 Blu-ray collection:394 DVD collection:57 Blu-ray reviews:22 Trading Score:48	Jeff and Bill, any word on a proper release for Illusionist? I really want to get it but I need subtitles so I've been holding off on getting it.

11-17-2010, 12:20 AM	#13432
MerrickG Blu-ray Knight Member since:Sep 2007 Location:College Station, TX Blu-ray reviews:2	Finished Black Ops on veteran. It might honestly be the best Call of Duty of all of them. It was a blast. In short, PLAY IT (Jeff and DR. Ossi ) Finished it just in time to start Assassins Creed Brotherhood.

11-17-2010, 12:23 AM	#13433
DenonCI Senior Member Member since:Jan 2008 4K collection:596 Blu-ray collection:1620 DVD collection:138	Hopefully Santa brings it to me. Which version did you play Merrick (XBOX 360, PS3, or PC)?

11-17-2010, 02:09 AM	#13435
wallendo Power Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Southeastern NC 4K collection:100 Blu-ray collection:1027 DVD collection:7 MA collection:3 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:4	All of you started with powerful computers. My first was a Sinclair ZX-81 with a full 1 K of RAM. Of course I splurged and bought the 16K expansion module.

11-17-2010, 03:46 AM	#13436
al cos. Senior Member Member since:Apr 2009	Speaking of 80s computers, a blu of TRON seems conspicuously absent right now. Do the various theories out there about why have any weight? (Also, the director said he was working on a new transfer. Does that mean the version recently shown on HDnet is going out the window?)

11-17-2010, 05:51 AM	#13437
Jeff Kleist The Digital Bits Member since:Jul 2008 Trading Score:1	I don't know what the conspiracy theories are saying, but the new master was finished rather recently. I don't have HDNet, so I can't say if they've been showing the new one or not. I know the film well enough that I'd probably spot the kind of tweaks he was talking about making if I did watch it. Tron should come out the same time as legacy, and it should look about as good as it can without going back and repainting/compositing the entire movie (one of the reasons among many that I hope that Legacy does boffo box office, personally I'm expecting it to do much better in Europe and Asia than it does here). Please also keep in mind that the humans in the computer scenes, barring a remastering miracle can and will look like total garbage due to all the optical compositing.

11-17-2010, 07:06 AM	#13439
Jeff Kleist The Digital Bits Member since:Jul 2008 Trading Score:1	While I'm sure they did focus group the original, and that is certainly a likely outcome, I would say that when they put it up on a screen to evaluate the master, they decided to redo it. If you saw it in the spring, it was not the new master Disney home video knows very well the market for Tron by now. They've been selling it for closing in on 30 years The fact that they're only now doing it, so close to release of the sequel, supports that more than the "keep that weird crap away from my shiny new movie" scenario. Had that been the case, what you saw in the spring would have been the new master. I can't say if there will be new extras, the original DVD producer, Robert Burnett is off making his own movies and last time I talked with him he hadn't been contacted at all. Often they'll ring them up to see if there's any leftovers from the last go-round that didn't get finished they can do up cheaply for a re-issue Not that Robert's work wasn't thourough. If you've never seen the 2-disc Tron DVD you're in for a treat

11-17-2010, 02:23 PM	#13440
jaaguir Senior Member Member since:Jul 2009 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:36	Jeff, what's the idea behind including a dvd of "The shop around the corner" with the blu-ray of "You've got mail"? Why not a double-feature with both movies in high-def? I'm guessing they don't want to hurt sales for a possible future release of the classic, but then why include anything at all? If they want to promote classics among new buyers, wouldn't a HD presentation be much better? Do they think anyone who bought the blu-ray will want to watch an old movie in SD, and like it so much that they'll buy it whenever it's released on blu-ray? It's the only productive outcome I can think of... I understand the current solution is cheap but the old movie must have been mastered in HD back in the day anyway so at least they could have included an encoding of that. Thanks

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