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Old 04-18-2008, 02:15 PM   #281
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the one thing i really hate about HDMI is that the connector is crappy. it feels loose and ready to fall out of the port half the time.
This is very true. I would like to say that the HDMI connector is almost an engineering disaster. It is small and the clearance between rails is low. When plugged or unplugged while attached equipment is working, a data rail could touch a power rail. Most likely this could damage your equipment (if they are working). So my recommendation is to avoid plugging/unplugging HDMI while attached equipment is on.

Also wish to note that I have given some technical information on HDMI in this thread.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=46051
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Old 04-23-2008, 08:52 PM   #282
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Just a curious question on these cables. My Sony BD is HDMI and my 1080i TV is DVI so I have one of the converter cables from RCA. I think it was like $30. If I got a better quality cable, would my BD picture improve? Trying to squeeze out the best possible picture I can with what I have.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:47 AM   #283
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Just a curious question on these cables. My Sony BD is HDMI and my 1080i TV is DVI so I have one of the converter cables from RCA. I think it was like $30. If I got a better quality cable, would my BD picture improve? Trying to squeeze out the best possible picture I can with what I have.
In this case, probably not. Your cash would be better spent on a new TV.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:53 AM   #284
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Ok thanks I wasn't sure if a conversion cable would carry the same quality as a pure DVI or HDMI and be worth upgrading it.
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Old 04-24-2008, 07:10 AM   #285
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Just a curious question on these cables. My Sony BD is HDMI and my 1080i TV is DVI so I have one of the converter cables from RCA. I think it was like $30. If I got a better quality cable, would my BD picture improve? Trying to squeeze out the best possible picture I can with what I have.
If you cannot see any problems on the screen like white dots/sparkles you are okay. Any other cable will not improve the picture. You have paid $30, hence it should be a reasonably good cable. However, remember that price of cables not necessarily reflect the quality of those cables.

You need to check when you upgrade to 1080p as 1080p runs at a higher rate. Again your $30 cable should do that rate without any problems.

If your cable length is low, say less than 5 meters, IMO you could get away with any reasonable cable. If it is longer than 10 meters should be careful. Still you could use a reasonable quality cheapish cable.

The best is to buy a cheap cable from a place that you could return. Then check it, if satisfied keep it.
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Old 04-24-2008, 05:54 PM   #286
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Is there really a difference between any "monoprice HDMI 1.3" cable and a "HDMI Psyclone for PS3"? I read a user review that there's a graphic difference with the Psyclone cable,

so is this true or false?
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Old 04-25-2008, 01:11 AM   #287
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so is this true or false?
false
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Old 04-25-2008, 01:15 AM   #288
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he's subconsciously trying to justify why he paid so much for an hdmi cable.
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Old 04-25-2008, 01:20 AM   #289
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I went to sams club last week and bought 16ft hdmi cable for $26 thats not bad at all I think.
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Old 04-25-2008, 01:23 AM   #290
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I went to sams club last week and bought 16ft hdmi cable for $26 thats not bad at all I think.
that sounds pretty reasonable.

how's it working for you?
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Old 04-25-2008, 01:41 AM   #291
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If you cannot see any problems on the screen like white dots/sparkles you are okay. Any other cable will not improve the picture. You have paid $30, hence it should be a reasonably good cable. However, remember that price of cables not necessarily reflect the quality of those cables.

You need to check when you upgrade to 1080p as 1080p runs at a higher rate. Again your $30 cable should do that rate without any problems.

If your cable length is low, say less than 5 meters, IMO you could get away with any reasonable cable. If it is longer than 10 meters should be careful. Still you could use a reasonable quality cheapish cable.

The best is to buy a cheap cable from a place that you could return. Then check it, if satisfied keep it.
Thanks a lot. The cable is a 6 footer. I am getting a good picture as it is but I was curious if I got what is supposed to be a better brand or better quality cable if it would squeeze a little more out of the tv I have.
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Old 04-25-2008, 01:48 AM   #292
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Thanks a lot. The cable is a 6 footer. I am getting a good picture as it is but I was curious if I got what is supposed to be a better brand or better quality cable if it would squeeze a little more out of the tv I have.
It won't make the picture any better, but there's a "Monster" problem of having your wallet squeezed...
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Old 04-25-2008, 02:13 AM   #293
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It won't make the picture any better, but there's a "Monster" problem of having your wallet squeezed...
Agreed. I stick with the Blue used Acoustice Research Cables from ebay.

Oddly enough I usually pay around 6 dollars (with shipping) for a 35 dollar cable and the packaging is always from BestBuy.

I think that they use these cables on the floor models and then try to sell them on the floor for about 20 bucks and when that doesn't work, they pawn them off on ebay trying to get some bidding going with a cheap price.

I've had a lot of luck with these cables.

They are all gold tipped and gas packed.
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Old 04-25-2008, 02:56 AM   #294
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Thanks a lot. The cable is a 6 footer. I am getting a good picture as it is but I was curious if I got what is supposed to be a better brand or better quality cable if it would squeeze a little more out of the tv I have.
I think you are okay. You will not get anymore with a "better" cable. Save that money for a future display upgrade.

If you are interested, some more details about HDMI is given in this thread:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=46051
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Old 04-25-2008, 05:22 AM   #295
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I always have to snicker when people are falling over themselves to get the cheapest possible crap cable for their $3k TVs connected to their $1k receivers connected to their $400+ BD players.

Then in a year or 2 those cables literally fall apart because of their cheap construction...or they get random dropouts and blame the equipment. Sheesh.

I'm sure you have $40 tires and fill up at ARCO for your Acura/Infiniti/Lexus.

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Old 04-25-2008, 05:37 AM   #296
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I always have to snicker when people are falling over themselves to get the cheapest possible crap cable for their $3k TVs connected to their $1k receivers connected to their $400+ BD players.

Then in a year or 2 those cables literally fall apart because of their cheap construction...or they get random dropouts and blame the equipment. Sheesh.

I'm sure you have $40 tires and fill up at ARCO for your Acura/Infiniti/Lexus.
LOL yeah it is kinda weird to see like XBR4 denon DVD-3800BDCI and then you see just got my $8 hdmi cable, I dont care what people hook their stuff up with I know I spent money on a low end hdmi cable and saw artifacts picture interference exc.(I know probly 1 bad wire) but anyway I stick to monster stuff and thats worked ever since + ive used the other brands at bestbuy and they are fine rocketfish as im sure most of the cables people here buy are, but for me until I see monster Haled into court for false advertising i'll keep buying just my 2 cents
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:02 AM   #297
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And I always laugh at people who pay Monster a premium price for a cable that is the same length of wire from the same line in China sold at less than half the price by other companies just because the Monster length of wire has a pretty branded sheath.

I also laugh at people who pay massive bucks for cables that have been sprinkled with magic chemicals to line up all of the electrons' spin so that they can sound so much better or create a magically better picture.

The argument about cable cost vs equipment cost is one of the most worn out canards out there. I have never been a proponent of going for the cheapest cable out there, but rather going for the cheapest quality cable that does the job right and gives the best bang for the buck. Any quality cable company warranties their product and so the falls apart in a year scenario is an unlikely one. If people need to spend more on cables that do the same job no better than one half the cost just so their expensive display does not feel slighted for being forced to consort with the lower class rabble then that is their perrogative. But back to the car analogy, if a brake pad or spark plug will do the job just as well at half or even less of the cost of the one that the paid for review in brake pads and spark plugs review said that I absolutely had to buy, I don't really care if the Mercedes feels slighted as long as it stops when it should and runs smoothly. Note, once again, that I am not supporting buying the cheapest, shoddiest part, but the cheapest that does the job right and that one should not pay a premium unless one gets something concrete and measureable out of the extra expense. If two products do the job right, are dependable, and are warrantied by their manufacturer/seller, the only reason I can see to pay more is if the more expensive part actually does something the cheaper component cannot and whatever it does better be documentable and not just hype.

Anyone who wishes to make their cable selection based on spending a certain percentage of the balue of the rest of their equipment can certainly do so. It is their money and their system. Personally, my criteria are based on the construction quality, specifications, warranty, and actual performance of the interconnect and not the price tag or the reassurance of the guy at the store that I absolutely need this brand to not shame my equipment. Most of my interconnects come from Bluejeans Cable and I think they give some of the best bang for the buck as well as a lot of frank honesty about their various product levels, what is under the jacket, and how they will take care of you as a customer. I have tested a few Monoprice interconnects and have had many friends go with them for all of their connectivity without any problems or complaints.

I agree that it is foolishness to tell people to run out and hook up their fine equipment with some shoddy cables made from scrap wire and duct tape or some cables that look nice and shiny but feel like they are going to fall apart in your hands the minute you take them out of the box, but I think to say that one cannot connect their system well without spending a certain dollar amount is equally as foolish. I am all for premium interconnects, but I expect something more than to be charged a bundle for a name and a bunch of P.T. Barnum marketing speak for my extra expense.

Predatory companies prey on that fear in the A/V enthusiast that they might not be getting as much out of their systems as they could. It is what leads people to fall for snake oil magic cable schemes and what makes products like Shakti Stones and quantum electron realigning clocks such a lucrative racket. Certainly not all interconnects are the same, most especially in the realm of analog cables, but price is not a good measuring stick. Plenty of POS cables cost a bundle and there are many hidden gems at surprisingly low prices out there. Research, reviews, and personal experience are the keys to finding good interconnects, not looking at price tags or blindly doing what the nice sales guy told you to do.

As I've said before, there are many reasons why Monster is held in such contempt by a large portion of the audiophile community. They sell good cables. They are the same good cables many other companies sell for much less without the nice fancy branding. Their products are generally great, they are also among the worst for bang for the buck. You can get much better for much less and won't be doing business with a company built on the philosophy of inflated brand awareness over actual product improvement and bullying smaller companies into settling trumped up lawsuits because they can't defend themselves or don't have legal counsel to tell them that the patents violations Monster alleges are spurious and sometimes even based on expired patents. If the little Monster logo makes you sleep better at night, then by all means put your money there, personally I find it an affront to the rest of my equipment to make it associate with such a company's product, particularly when I can get better elsewhere for the same price or less. Monster is the Bose of the interconnect world. They have their fans who swear by them and nothing can convince them that their brand is not the absolute best value in the entire world of electronics. I started out along the same path believing that all of my cables had to be Monster or I would be missing something. I found it quite eye opening when I was convinced to try some interconnects designed for commercial applications and then some from some other brands. I discovered that I could not only get the same performance and build quality with a great warranty for equal or less cost, but that I could actually get better performance for equal or less cost. Nobody has to follow my path, but I like to make the information available for any who wish to consider.

You will likely never see Monster charged with false advertising because that is not what they do and not the problem many have with them. Their products do what they say they do, the problem is that other products do the same for much less. It is not illegal to charge more than your competition for the same product, it is just not smart unless you have the resources to market yourself enough to convince the masses that your product is worth the extra dollars and the legal resources to bully your competition for pointing this out and to supplement your income by conning smaller companies into settling with you and signing license agreements to pay you royalties for patents they are not infringing upon. Great examples of the wonderful corporate behavior of Monster:

http://www.audioholics.com/news/indu...s-strikes-back

http://www.monstergreed.com/Index%20...about%20MC.htm

Again, if you want to put your money into Monster cables and it makes you feel better about your system it is your right. But I think that reading the interconnect subforums at multiple forums can be very enlightening. Forums like:

http://www.audioasylum.com/index.htm
http://www.audiocircle.com/
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums...hp?do=activate
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/

While there are lots of options out there for interconnects, I still think that the best sources for quality and bang for the buck are commercial level cables from www.markertek.com , the various lines of cables from www.bluejeanscable.com , and, if one wants to delve into the more esoteric, www.bettercables.com which was founded by an engineer tired of seeing people ripped off by Monster and other such companies charging premium prices without offering anything premium for the expense.

In the end, one should always go with the components they want and feel are best for them, but there is a lot of information out there on the forums, information that does not all come from sources dependent on advertising and comission income from companies that do not appreciate negative or ambivalent reviews, criticism, or direct A/B comparisons of their and others' products in blind tests. One may look at all of that information and decide to stay with what they have, but at least they will have considered the information and all knowledge is worth having.

Chris
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Old 04-25-2008, 09:09 AM   #298
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I agree that Monster stuff is overpriced via bestbuy exc. but you can actually find their cables pretty cheap online maybe not as cheap as other companys but way cheaper then bestbuy or a/v stores like I said I went the way of the cheap cables and got screwed, as I said everyones got their cable brands and I dont mind paying for monster stuff nor do I really care 40 here 100 here w/e and I agree there is nothing wrong with other cable brands like I said rocketfish and dynex ones seem to work great no problems, so its all good oh and dont skimp on break pads

the bettercable sites prices are about what you pay for monsters online if you shop around

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Old 04-25-2008, 09:26 AM   #299
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'sall cool. That's one of the things I like about this forum. Not as much of the crap where you can't debate or discuss with people without it becoming a personal insult fest.

Ever try DIY cables? I've been curious about trying it, but just don't think it is a good hobby for the legally blind. I mean I could do a lot by touch, but the chance of mixing up connections is just too scary and I haven't come up with a safe way to manage soldering. I know a lot of people who swear by their home built cables, but have never gotten to audition any.

Luckily, since I had to give up my driver's license back in the early '90s, my only encounters with car part choices is in analogies. I miss driving, but don't miss insurance payments. My last car was an '84 Camaro, sigh.

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I agree that Monster stuff is overpriced via bestbuy exc. but you can actually find their cables pretty cheap online maybe not as cheap as other companys but way cheaper then bestbuy or a/v stores like I said I went the way of the cheap cables and got screwed, as I said everyones got their cable brands and I dont mind paying for monster stuff nor do I really care 40 here 100 here w/e and I agree there is nothing wrong with other cable brands like I said rocketfish and dynex ones seem to work great no problems, so its all good oh and dont skimp on break pads

the bettercable sites prices are about what you pay for monsters online if you shop around
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