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Old 04-07-2008, 08:20 PM   #81
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I cannot seem to get a definitive answer from anyone on the question you posed either. What's the difference between having RGB on full with a high brightness setting and having it on limited with a lower brightness setting.
In theory, if the display accepts both, there should be none, as your goal in calibrating would be for example to have the number 4 or the PLUGE stripe on a color bar be the same brightness on both modes (That's why it's called calibration)

So if you chose Full and turn the brightness up, and chose Limited and turn the brightness down so that in both the number 4 glows at .02 footcandles, (and the white at 40 footcandles) both Full and Limited would have a 2000:1 contrast ratio

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Thegide what about my question about the color bars? am i suppose to see that gray bar in the lower right coner on the black color bar? when i turn the brightness up i can see it, when i turn it down its gone.
I think I answered that one a while back.


About setting color and hue you probably need a very deep blue filter or gel (comes with some test discs or sometimes I've used a swatch book like this: Roscolux) that makes non-blue color bars black and adjust hue and color settings so the 7669 color bar looks like this:


(I wrote a little more about this in another thread recently.)



For sharpness you can use the 7669 resolution pattern (or the T2 Blu-ray THX one if you have it, or a BD test disc), turn sharpness all the way down so the high frequencies are the least sharp/greyest, then slowly turn sharpness up if needed so the high frequencies are as sharp (or contrasty) as the low frequencies without overdoing it (don't oversharpen, make them even to the low frequencies) .
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Old 04-07-2008, 10:48 PM   #82
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hdmi 1.3 category 2

added to that the 28AWG and 6foot long ones. I called them a few months ago about what length and the guy there said the 6foot cables are tested more and tend to give you a better picture...

Not me saying this, its monoprice...

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Old 04-07-2008, 11:43 PM   #83
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These tests are cool, thanks. From trying out the two pictures, it is clear that my tv (panny 58" pz700) doesn't support full RGB, and I have switched it to limited.
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Old 04-08-2008, 08:45 AM   #84
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seems like nobody has a TV that support full rgb .me included.
again (this time pls answer me ) isn't the fact that ur TV doesn't go blank (as the ps3 warns u when u switch to full rgb ) indicative that ur TV supports full rgb????????

btw why don't they say it in the TV manual .
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Old 04-08-2008, 12:34 PM   #85
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Well after hours of internet research and asking tons of questions, I FINALLY have my tv tweaked to my liking! I truly now feel that aside from a professionial ISF calibration (sadly, there are no ISF certified techs in my area), my tv could not possibly look any better! I have the brightness, color, contrast, black levels, sharpness, and detail exactly the way I like it. At this point I see no reason to ever tweak my picture again. Up until now I had been constantly fiddling with my settings to the point to where I was driving my fiance' crazy. Thanks to all of you on here who were so helpful!

Oh and incidentally, now that my settings are correct, the picture does look better with RGB set to limited. It's not at all necessary when your tv is properly calibrated.
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Old 04-08-2008, 02:10 PM   #86
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seems like nobody has a TV that support full rgb .me included.
again (this time pls answer me ) isn't the fact that ur TV doesn't go blank (as the ps3 warns u when u switch to full rgb ) indicative that ur TV supports full rgb????????

btw why don't they say it in the TV manual .
I don't think this is the case. It seems that you can still set it to RGB full and get a display picture on TVs that do not support it... its just that the colors are off and the picture is overly dark.

I would ignore the PS3's warning message, and stick with the color test patterns.
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Old 04-08-2008, 02:11 PM   #87
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Well after hours of internet research and asking tons of questions, I FINALLY have my tv tweaked to my liking! I truly now feel that aside from a professionial ISF calibration (sadly, there are no ISF certified techs in my area), my tv could not possibly look any better! I have the brightness, color, contrast, black levels, sharpness, and detail exactly the way I like it. At this point I see no reason to ever tweak my picture again. Up until now I had been constantly fiddling with my settings to the point to where I was driving my fiance' crazy. Thanks to all of you on here who were so helpful!

Oh and incidentally, now that my settings are correct, the picture does look better with RGB set to limited. It's not at all necessary when your tv is properly calibrated.
Glad to hear it!
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Old 04-08-2008, 02:40 PM   #88
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Useful information. Perhaps BStecke's initial post should have a sticky?

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Old 04-11-2008, 05:02 AM   #89
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Speaking of which...

What HDMI cable should I get from monoprice? I'm not sure which one is the latest HDMI
I would seriously consider Blue Jeans HDMI cables. Very inexpensive and thick durable and no difference between the Monster 800 I "used" and this new BJ cable. I will definitely be buying them in the future for all my HDMI cables. Even with shipping it was a fraction of the price of Brick and Mortar brands.
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Old 04-14-2008, 09:45 PM   #90
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I stumbled across this last night, I saved the 1234 picture to my ps3 and attempted RGB Full, the entire picture was black so I changed it back to limited. With limited i could see the 3 and 4 faintly, could barely see the 2 but the one was not visible. My bravia was calibrated by a technician with a laptop and sensors....

I was also wondering, what is super white?
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Old 04-15-2008, 09:26 AM   #91
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the "super white" setting depends on the TV, I used it with my Techwood 26", I removed it for my Samsung 32"

there's a screen test on most Disney Blu-ray movies, maybe try it?
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Old 04-15-2008, 10:28 AM   #92
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this sucks my JVC LT-42DV8BJ says it supports 24 fps but when i select it i just get a black screen.

any ideas

http://www.techradar.com/products/au...-117220/review
this site confirms 24fps
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it's some sort of easter egg, there's a card with a code to do with your remote then you access it and can change your color / lighting settings to the best
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I was messing with these settings last night and noticed that if I force RGB and switch between Limited and Full, Limited is actually "darker" than Full. On my previous TV (DLP) it was the opposite. Does anyone know why this is?
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Quick question concerning the 1-2-3-4 pic, ideally, how many numbers should be clearly visble to ensure proper brightness? Right now I have have it so that 1 is barely visible, 2 is a little more visible, and 3-4 are clearly visible. Is that right?
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yep!
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I was messing with these settings last night and noticed that if I force RGB and switch between Limited and Full, Limited is actually "darker" than Full. On my previous TV (DLP) it was the opposite. Does anyone know why this is?
I think that means your dlp didnt support RGB, but the tv you have now does?....im not really sure maby someone else can explain better. but my tv doesin't support RGB full and when i turn it on i get black crush, did you do the 1234 test?
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theres a test in this link in post #11
havent tried myself yet. found it last night. thought it explained it well

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=851635
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Ok I have a question here. I have a 720p/1080i max TV. I set my PS3 for 1080i, for movies it made a definate difference. Playing games, it looked good; however, my friend says that there is a lag. I have never experienced a lag or a difference though. Am I crazy or is he? I could not notice a difference either way. What do you guys think?
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Ok I have a question here. I have a 720p/1080i max TV. I set my PS3 for 1080i, for movies it made a definate difference. Playing games, it looked good; however, my friend says that there is a lag. I have never experienced a lag or a difference though. Am I crazy or is he? I could not notice a difference either way. What do you guys think?

I would.....for games expecially keep it at 720p. Your friend is right the 1080i signal is set in seperately (2 signals) so you could experience lag, or bluring where as the 720p sends the signal all at once. 1080i would look better in a NONE fast moving envirnment where as 720p will look better at the fast pace action movies/games

"i" means interlaced. The image is shown in two sequences: the even lines and the odd lines. These two images are shown so fast that your eyes are tricked into seeing one solid image. This method lets the screen effectively show 30 frames per second (30 solid images per second).

"p" means progressive scan: the entire image is shown to you at once. Since we’re shown the entire image at once we’ve effectively doubled the frame rate to 60 frames per second. Some people argue that this gives the moving images a much smoother motion.
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