4K Movies Releases

[Geoff D]

Yeah, I think they would've taken a point before kick-off. All Pulis does is park the bus anyway, so no offence taken! It's a pisser that West Brom and Fulham both won though. Even Villa have dragged themselves clear thanks to that stunning win over Chelsea.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yeah, I think they would've taken a point before kick-off. All Pulis does is park the bus anyway, so no offence taken! It's a pisser that West Brom and Fulham both won though. Even Villa have dragged themselves clear thanks to that stunning win over Chelsea.

Especially West brom. I thought we might catch them as their fixtures are tricky. Not so much now. I think you guys are safe Geoff. It's all about grinding out results and that point for you was massive yesterday. We are now in the same situation next week against Norwich. We must not lose. It's laughable that our two games in hand (three on a couple of teams) is Man city away and Liverpool away!)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Unless the Director doesn’t prefer detail (for instance, the colorist in instructed to pull a defocus key on some or many scenes), generally expect to be more sharply visually impressed with content that was shot with ‘digital’ high resolution cameras (for example, Sony F65/F55, Red Epic (5K with custom 4K extractions) than flicks that were shot on 35mm. film.

Why?

Because resolution is intimately tied to contrast and despite 35mm film having a resolution of 3 - 4K (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ed#post5695796), processed 35mm film demonstrates very limited contrast at its *4K* level of resolution so, the visual impact drops off sharply at that rez.

Indeed. The reviews of the 4K movies on Sony's media player haven't been stellar, with most people reserving their praise for the specially made 4K shorts. I'd love to see it for myself, but hey ho, it can't be helped.

I'm ready for the possibility that there won't be an immediate 'wow' factor when viewing 35mm shows in 4K, but I've upgraded certain movies many, many times across many, many formats and often for a very small improvement in quality, so I won't be crying into my cornflakes if 4K doesn't ravage my eyeballs.

As for the drain thing, it's just something that I've picked up over the years. I'm not particularly bright, nor do I know if it's native to London because I rarely leave the confines of the Smoke.

[singhcr]

I am confused as to why the contrast levels of 35mm film would drop off at 4K resolution. Aren't you extracting the maximum detail of the negative at that resolution so everything should look as good as it can?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Cool video by the way.

How Fuleco was made - YouTube

Fuleco is an endangered species as well as being “seen as a cheerful and appealing personality” …. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuleco

87 Days To Go.

As a young whipper-snapper, my Dad took me to see the ‘74 World Cup Final between West Germany and the Netherlands presented on the BIG screen at an auditorium (I think tickets cost about $10-$15. ?) because it was not broadcast on TV at the time, at least in my neck of the woods. This Englishman had balls ….

The referee at the heart of a storm - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Germany

And for a 4K finish tie-in, see the tech specs for this German flick…http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2865802/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

As for the drain thing, it's just something that I've picked up over the years. I'm not particularly bright, nor do I know if it's native to London because I rarely leave the confines of the Smoke.

Some folks not from London might think that means you spend all your time in Autodesk’s color correction

[Show spoiler]

Autodesk Smoke 2012 - Color Correction part1 - YouTube

But this time I think I catch your drift on that particular British saying….the Smoke = London.

[tob]

That mascot for the world cup is crap.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'm ready for the possibility that there won't be an immediate 'wow' factor when viewing 35mm shows in 4K, but I've upgraded certain movies many, many times across many, many formats and often for a very small improvement in quality, so I won't be crying into my cornflakes if 4K doesn't ravage my eyeballs.

You know, back in the day, I remember that pursuit being an admirable quality and it sort of signified a very serious home theater cinephile. Sadly, these days, with the current generation, I’m getting the impression that chasing that perfect source of your favorite flick(s) is thought of more with the sense of disdain or being a pain in the arse thing to do.

As an analogy, reminiscing about when I was into competitive off road motorcycle racing, I never tired of (actually thoroughly enjoyed) making engine or suspension modifications constantly year-to-year to wring out that last bit of performance a la Mert Lawwill, time stamp ~ 17 min. mark (we all watched it [again] last night, for the good memories). I own every format of this flick -

On Any Sunday - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by tob

That mascot for the world cup is crap.

Don’t tell me the Arsenal score as I haven’t watched the match yet.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

I am confused as to why the contrast levels of 35mm film would drop off at 4K resolution. Aren't you extracting the maximum detail of the negative at that resolution so everything should look as good as it can?

It’s just the inherent nature of the medium. I’d have to dig out some old SMPTE journal papers in order to illustrate or explain the principle to you differently or perhaps more clearly but, the gist of it is that it looks like a downward sloping curve that rolls off rather abruptly where plotted against the threshold resolution of 35mm film. It’s no coincidence at past trade shows like CES and such that those sly engineers prefer showing F65, etc. digitally acquired imagery on their 4K tvs rather than 35mm movies (having a 4K scan pedigree).

Don’t feel too badly though for celluloid, as human vision also follows a curve for contrast sensitivity, i.e. your ‘eyes’ (and brain) are most sensitive to contrast at lower rather than highest spatial resolution, so, if we all had perfect contrast sensitivity function, it could be worse.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

It’s just the inherent nature of the medium. I’d have to dig out some old SMPTE journal papers in order to illustrate or explain the principle to you differently or perhaps more clearly but, the gist of it is that it looks like a downward sloping curve that rolls off rather abruptly where plotted against the threshold resolution of 35mm film. It’s no coincidence at past trade shows like CES and such that those sly engineers prefer showing F65, etc. digitally acquired imagery on their 4K tvs rather than 35mm movies (having a 4K scan pedigree).

Don’t feel too badly though for celluloid, as human vision also follows a curve for contrast sensitivity, i.e. your ‘eyes’ (and brain) are most sensitive to contrast at lower rather than highest spatial resolution, so, if we all had perfect contrast sensitivity function, it could be worse.

Thanks for the info. If I'm reading this correctly, would a 2K scan of a 35mm negative appear to have better contrast as opposed to a 4K one? Is it still worth showing 35mm content at 4K then even if the contrast appears to suffer?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You know, back in the day, I remember that pursuit being an admirable quality and it sort of signified a very serious home theater cinephile. Sadly, these days, with the current generation, I’m getting the impression that chasing that perfect source of your favorite flick(s) is thought of more with the sense of disdain or being a pain in the arse thing to do.

I see it as the cinephile's burden and have never had a problem with it. But with lots of physical formats and display types coming and going over the last 10 or so years I think some folks have become very disillusioned with our noble pursuit, i.e. they've had enough of all this upgrading. Combine that with the economic downturn and I can understand why we're now seen as crackpots instead of trend-setters. And yeah, the streaming/download generation tend to have a 'good enough' philosophy, which is further hampering the widespread adoption of higher quality goodness.

[Steedeel]

[QUOTE=Geoff D;8941606]I see it as the cinephile's burden and have never had a problem with it. But with lots of physical formats and display types coming and going over the last 10 or so years I think some folks have become very disillusioned with our noble pursuit, i.e. they've had enough of all this upgrading. Combine that with the economic downturn and I can understand why we're now seen as crackpots instead of trend-setters. And yeah, the streaming/download generation tend to have a 'good enough' philosophy, which is further hampering the widespread adoption of higher quality goodness.[/

I will seek the highest quality until my dying day. I don't like settling for second best. Be it music, film or food etc..

I had a conversation with a guy in his 40's last week and he said that although he still watches films on his big screen he has started to watch tv series on his phone and ipad mini. When I asked him if that was a convenience thing (watching in bed etc..) he told me it wasn't that. He just wanted to keep up with the young'uns (North east expression) I should of slapped him really shouldn't i? Lol! When are older people going to realise that the last thing that teens and twenty something's want is older people following their trends. It's not cool and it's not clever. If I am sitting in a virtual tech museum in my old age so be it but this man is not for turning.

[singhcr]

That's pretty silly, isn't it? It only makes sense to follow trends if they improve things.

I've been into vinyl for the last 5 years or so because of the superior sound and overall experience. It's beginning to be "hip" to get into vinyl, but while I like the fact that it's getting more respect amongst the public, I don't listen to it because it's cool.

I have gotten into photography recently and my format of choice is 35mm slide film. I like the detail and color of film and projecting it onto a huge screen is something that can't be rivaled with digital cameras or projectors.

On the TV side of things, I look forward to 4K and will be an early adopter of the format and the new 4KBD but that is because of increased quality.

Streaming may be all the rage but other than TV shows that aren't on DVD or the HD versions of shows that aren't on BD I don't use it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by singhcr

That's pretty silly, isn't it? It only makes sense to follow trends if they improve things.

I've been into vinyl for the last 5 years or so because of the superior sound and overall experience. It's beginning to be "hip" to get into vinyl, but while I like the fact that it's getting more respect amongst the public, I don't listen to it because it's cool.

I have gotten into photography recently and my format of choice is 35mm slide film. I like the detail and color of film and projecting it onto a huge screen is something that can't be rivaled with digital cameras or projectors.

On the TV side of things, I look forward to 4K and will be an early adopter of the format and the new 4KBD but that is because of increased quality.

Streaming may be all the rage but other than TV shows that aren't on DVD or the HD versions of shows that aren't on BD I don't use it.

It was beyond stupid and I was tempted to tell him that lol! Quality will never die in my home dude.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by tob

That mascot for the world cup is crap.

Tob, you had me worried. But I watched the North London derby last night and we prevailed . Looks like 4th (for Champions league next year) is a lock….unless we implode at the end.

Anyway, as to your assessment, I’ll defer to the expert sniffer

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I had a conversation with a guy in his 40's last week and he said that although he still watches films on his big screen he has started to watch tv series on his phone and ipad mini. When I asked him if that was a convenience thing (watching in bed etc..) he told me it wasn't that. He just wanted to keep up with the young'uns...

They say, chasing that sort of trend can invoke a coronary in some old timers.
Shot with RED Epic-X ^. Make sure your friend is heart healthy.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

Thanks for the info. If I'm reading this correctly, would a 2K scan of a 35mm negative appear to have better contrast as opposed to a 4K one? Is it still worth showing 35mm content at 4K then even if the contrast appears to suffer?

Oh I think it’s definitely still worth it. Think of it this way, the overall or ‘total’ contrast, if you will, with 35mm content harvested at 4K is still greater than that for 35mm content digitally sampled at 2K….it’s just that the ‘rate’, if you will, of getting it tapers off as you move outward near the threshold resolution for 35mm film….it’s a downward sloping curve rather than a parallel line.

The take-away point though is that in general (lenses, lighting, panning (or more accurately lack thereof) and other variables of the principal photography all being equal) expect more resolution and contrast ‘bang’ with high resolution digital acquisition than with thee ole 35mm films, despite being scanned at 4K, as I mentioned before to Geoff. Of course, on the other hand, the one big plus for celluloid is that it has more of that ‘organic look’ without any post production imagery tweaking.

[Penton-Man]

2014 FIFA World Cup Song -

Based upon the short sneak peak (and listen) if you run the clip included HERE (an official video is planned in HD as well as 4K resolutions)

Aside from those Carnival dancers ^, I think it will be very tough to beat or even equal Shakira’s Waka Waka