4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Geoff D]

I'm currently short a copy of Edge of Tomorrow (sold my 3D edition and haven't picked up the 2D yet), this may yet entice me. End to end upscale though Mike? No 4K elements at all?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'm currently short a copy of Edge of Tomorrow (sold my 3D edition and haven't picked up the 2D yet), this may yet entice me. End to end upscale though Mike? No 4K elements at all?

Not sure, will dig 2 secs

Shot on film, huh
So there is a possibility if it was a better company releasing it it may have 4k elements

[Geoff D]

Did you think it was Alexa? Lotta people assumed EoT was shot on digital

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Did you think it was Alexa? Lotta people assumed EoT was shot on digital

Kinda, but didn't think about it at all tbh.
I know it had a 2k DI without looking tho

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

No 4K elements at all?

Have not seen this one but have watched the trailers. It would probably be fine in 720P because there is so much camera movement .

[Geoff D]

That's a good point, a lot of the movie is so frantic the temporal resolution will be cut down like a mofo. Like JM was saying in one of his threads, it can say '4K' on the tin but you'll rarely get 4K's worth of appreciable information from every frame of a movie (unless you're shooting large format to begin with, and even then I'm thinking of 15/70). The movie's also got a TON of VFX which will most definitely have been delivered at 2K to begin with.

If that makes it sound like I'm being an apologist for upscaled 2K on UHD Blu then I'm not, I wanna see proper 4K rebuilds of 2K stuff as much as anyone else, but certain realities of the original acquisition can't be ignored.

[Geoff D]

As far as the DI for Edge of Tomorrow is concerned, they used 4K fullap scans for the 2K finish so if those scans have been archived then doing a 4K rebuild isn't beyond the realms. The sheer amount of VFX will impact the amount of genuine 4K content, certainly, but it's a start.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

As far as the DI for Edge of Tomorrow is concerned, they used 4K fullap scans for the 2K finish so if those scans have been archived then doing a 4K rebuild isn't beyond the realms. The sheer amount of VFX will impact the amount of genuine 4K content, certainly, but it's a start.

Actually on the amount of CGI

http://nofilmschool.com/2014/09/edge...al-effects-cgi

But I have no faith in the studio

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Actually on the amount of CGI

http://nofilmschool.com/2014/09/edge...al-effects-cgi

But I have no faith in the studio

It still had an absolute shedload of CG work too: https://www.fxguide.com/featured/liv...t-the-effects/

It's a bit like TFA in that respect, as they *did* use a lot more practical features than folks may think, but it still amounts to hundreds if not thousands of shots with a substantial CG element to them. So will studios just rely on the 2K final comp, or will they go further and upscale the separate VFX elements before recomping them into the 'raw' >2K footage? The latter could represent a substantial amount of work for whatever action-filled blockbuster people might have in mind, so I think we'll only see that happen if this 4K malarkey really takes off.

[Geoff D]

^ Or the studios could just start finishing in 4K in the first place

[Opips3]

You don't have faintly on studio lie.........roll on Ultra 4K..
you know why there needs milk money...

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's a good point, a lot of the movie is so frantic the temporal resolution will be cut down like a mofo. Like JM was saying in one of his threads, it can say '4K' on the tin but you'll rarely get 4K's worth of appreciable information from every frame of a movie (unless you're shooting large format to begin with, and even then I'm thinking of 15/70). The movie's also got a TON of VFX which will most definitely have been delivered at 2K to begin with.

If that makes it sound like I'm being an apologist for upscaled 2K on UHD Blu then I'm not, I wanna see proper 4K rebuilds of 2K stuff as much as anyone else, but certain realities of the original acquisition can't be ignored.

I've been beating this drum for months. It's not the big effects heavy movies I'm looking forward to most on 4K. The best 4K content I've seen have been things like dramas with lots of long close up shots of people, or wide still panoramas of scenery.

Natural vistas and human skin are the 2 things that look most appreciably improved by 4K.

[infiniteCR]

Edge of tomorrow was very oddly framed on bluray. I remember thinking too much of the cnn footage and people's faces were cut off to be normal. As in I was super distracted by that sort of thing when I don't normally read much into framing. Maybe there is an IMAX version that could become available that opens it up a bit?

[Opips3]

Originally Posted by spectre08

I've been beating this drum for months. It's not the big effects heavy movies I'm looking forward to most on 4K. The best 4K content I've seen have been things like dramas with lots of long close up shots of people, or wide still panoramas of scenery.

Natural vistas and human skin are the 2 things that look most appreciably improved by 4K.

Yeah I heard you too hard drum..drum...drum...drum...
studios 2K upscaled to 4K.

I'm looking forward to natived 4K films is best fit on UltraHD 4K. Drum..drum...drum...drum

[Agent_DVD]

I'm all in on Edge of Tomorrow (All you need is kill), totally surprised me in the theaters and can't wait to quadruple dip (3D - Check, Steelbook from Japan - Check, Novamedia Lenti - Check, now add UHD to the list)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by spectre08

I've been beating this drum for months. It's not the big effects heavy movies I'm looking forward to most on 4K. The best 4K content I've seen have been things like dramas with lots of long close up shots of people, or wide still panoramas of scenery.

Natural vistas and human skin are the 2 things that look most appreciably improved by 4K.

Sure, but a format can't survive on virtually static demo footage alone. I've downloaded some demo vids and they look extraordinary in plain old SDR 709, like a slowly moving photograph, but stick on something like Fifth Element in 4K and...yeah. Not so much of the wow factor there.

Those other vids & nature shows etc are so crisp and sharp precisely because they have a minimum of noise (normal people hate grain) and they ain't moving about a whole lot, and while that material is designed to look great on the shop floor the reality of what 'real world' content looks like day-to-day isn't so amazeballs if one is expecting 4K to automatically equal eyeball-ravaging gorgeousness every time, [edit] which is an assumption that also occured daily in the HD realm. I should know, I listened to enough customers complain about it when Eastenders at home didn't look quite as shit hot as the demo videos we ran all day.

Still, HDR is by its very nature designed to bridge that gap, to provide more colour volume and to squeeze out as much detail as possible from the source, whatever resolution it may be - so all this 2K kvetching may prove to be moot in the long run...

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by infiniteCR

Edge of tomorrow was very oddly framed on bluray. I remember thinking too much of the cnn footage and people's faces were cut off to be normal. As in I was super distracted by that sort of thing when I don't normally read much into framing. Maybe there is an IMAX version that could become available that opens it up a bit?

No, it was shot anamorphic 2.39, there's nothing to open up.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

...you'll rarely get 4K's worth of appreciable information from every frame of a movie (unless you're shooting large format to begin with, and even then I'm thinking of 15/70). The movie's also got a TON of VFX which will most definitely have been delivered at 2K to begin with.

The fastest object/actor motion or camera movement you can display without motion blur is ~10 degrees visual angle per second. Which is why 4K vfx was selective as mentioned at Cine Gear 2015 which I attended….about 10 min. timestamp…

https://vimeo.com/131442291

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Cine Gear 2015

Which I might add for HDR enthusiast interest, had Sony’s BVM-X300 4k OLED monitor showing HDR footage in a very dark demo area which looked very good.

Good enough to win an award….
http://motionpicturelightingandgrip....ers-announced/

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

No, it was shot anamorphic 2.39, there's nothing to open up.

They didn't aim the camera at a TV to record the faux TV clips though, did they? They'd have been generated flat and slugged straight into the edit with the appropriate masking (and/or squeeze if it was recorded out to film for archival purposes), so the extremely tight framing of those TV bits could always be repositioned if the filmmakers so desired.