4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Ruined

History will repeat itself, DTS will come late to the game and steamroll Dolby. Anyone purchasing an Atmos-only processor better save up for the DTS:X processor they will inevitably have to buy in 2 years.

Oh, like they did DVD? Or theatrically?

Blu-ray was the ONLY time.

[gkolb]

This question may seem elementary to some of you experts, but here goes.

Will HDR and Dolby Vision HDR be decoded in the UHDBD player, or the UHD '4k' tv?
or do both pieces of hardware/firmware get involved? Will some hardware decode basic hdr but not Dolby Vision?

I'm starting to think some kind of checklist or chart is going to be needed by a semi-educated consumer to make sure that they are buying items that will deliver all the top of the line PQ and AQ specs. Oh, didn't mean to forget HDMI 2.2 as well.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Oh, like they did DVD? Or theatrically?

Blu-ray was the ONLY time.

I could be wrong but I don't think he said it happened EVERY time. If something happens once before and then happens again, that would still count as history repeating itself.

[raygendreau]

Major studios signed on for Dolby Vision Cinema releases. Not many theaters are equipped to show it yet.

"It is therefore great news that Sony Pictures, Warner Brothers, and 20th Century Fox will release new movies in Dolby Vision over the next couple of months. The company today confirmed that Sony will release “The Perfect Guy”, Fox will release “Maze Runner: The Scorch Trials” and “The Martian”, and Warner will release “Pan” and “In the Heart of the Sea”."

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1441980188

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I could be wrong but I don't think he said it happened EVERY time. If something happens once before and then happens again, that would still count as history repeating itself.

Except there's almost nothing else as precedent.


UHD requires new authoring software. Authoring suites with DTS-MA no longer apply.


Dolby Atmos is the de facto standard in object based audio theatrically and at home.


You can't just take an Atmos track and encode it in DTS-X. So it's not a matter of just losslessly compressing existing PCM masters.


Warner & Sony have already adopted Dolby Vision.


Paramount, Sony, Universal, Lionsgate, and Warner support Atmos on Blu-ray. Neither Fox nor Disney have announced support or released in DTS-X.


Theatrically only Lionsgate has said they will release in DTS-X. They will continue to release in Atmos as well. Auro has more support theatrically and pretty much nothing on home video.


So I don't see it.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You can't just take an Atmos track and encode it in DTS-X. So it's not a matter of just losslessly compressing existing PCM masters.

Actually, there are now ways to convert object sessions to different formats being used at audio post houses.

Also, DTS:X (MDA) at least theatrically so far, can allow for three speaker layer object positioning (including screen wall heights) unlike Atmos, which has only two. This speaker configuration just hasn't trickled down to regular consumer products yet (and may not for a few years if Denon/Marantz, Yamaha, and the rest of the gang can't see beyond 11.1 rendering).

The Trinnov Altitude... maybe... but that will more than likely end up being next year when the consumer DTS: X code is finally ready for prime time.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

So I don't see it.

For the home market, the argument is irrelevant anyway.

DTS-MA will continue to be the dominant player for home theater enthusiasts as the vast majority of Blu-ray titles will continue to be released in standard 5.1-7.1 sound. UHDBD has basically no chance of succeeding and I don't think the true enthusiasts will move to streaming.

So really in the home, Atmos vs DTS:X is a war for table crumbs anyway. And personally, I feel for most home theaters (especially with multiple rows) you are probably doing more harm than good by localizing the surround field in exchange for the paltry selection of object based audio soundtracks on BD.

[2themax]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

?

Are you sure?

It disappeared from Blu-ray once they went 2.0

It's 100% possible to use PCM and BD-J on the same disc.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Except there's almost nothing else as precedent.


UHD requires new authoring software. Authoring suites with DTS-MA no longer apply.


Dolby Atmos is the de facto standard in object based audio theatrically and at home.


You can't just take an Atmos track and encode it in DTS-X. So it's not a matter of just losslessly compressing existing PCM masters.


Warner & Sony have already adopted Dolby Vision.


Paramount, Sony, Universal, Lionsgate, and Warner support Atmos on Blu-ray. Neither Fox nor Disney have announced support or released in DTS-X.


Theatrically only Lionsgate has said they will release in DTS-X. They will continue to release in Atmos as well. Auro has more support theatrically and pretty much nothing on home video.


So I don't see it.

You need your Dolby vision tweeked, that or some thx blue glasses.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

You need your Dolby vision tweeked, that or some thx blue glasses.

I'm not blind like some.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I'm not blind like some.

Yet you are looking at some total sweep by Dolby, this will not happen.
Just lions gate forever? Lol no.
I know your shares in Dolby will drop a little but you will be fine.

[2themax]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

As I said, 12-bit isn't actually included in the UHD BD spec that we've seen so far. And regarding UHD BD bandwidth (100GB may be rarer than hen's teeth) & the preference for some to use a simpler single layer solution, Dolby have developed their own single layer version of DV which allows for "percieved 12-bit fidelity" encoded within a 10-bit profile (e.g. the versions of HEVC included within UHD BD) using tone mapping. They'll be using the dual layer 12-bit version for OTT services but it looks as if UHD BD will be using this single layer "perceived 12-bit" approach.

Your 12bit answer lies here in section 2.2.3.3.5.2.

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/Do...per_150724.pdf

[Geoff D]

So that's it then? Freaky's gonna get his 12-bits? He's gon' be so happy. There aren't many consumer displays on the market that will actually do 12-bit, but that's for another day. You win this round! *shakes fist*

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So that's it then? Freaky's gonna get his 12-bits? He's gon' be so happy. There aren't many consumer displays on the market that will actually do 12-bit, but that's for another day. You win this round! *shakes fist*

I would think that the first official 12 bit consumer panels will offer Dolby Vision as a premium feature at a premium price. That stands to reason anyway.

[Geoff D]

Many thanks for the white paper though 2themax. It's interesting that the DV enhancement layer is 1920x1080, but then I guess it's there to act as the carrier for the metadata and so it doesn't need a 3840x2160 'container'. It's different from how I first read up on DV too, which said it would have a SDR-graded base layer with the DV/HDR extension on top - or is it just the specific UHD Blu-ray implementation which will have the mandatory HDR base layer + DV extension, leaving the other version for broadcast, OTT and such like? Or is that what the single layer 10-bit "perceived 12-bit" version will be for?

Christ, it's no wonder the standards for HDR are still being wrangled over by the UHDA.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I would think that the first official 12 bit consumer panels will offer Dolby Vision as a premium feature at a premium price. That stands to reason anyway.

A logical assumption. With Sony's just-announced DV tie-in they'd surely have reason more than most to produce genuine 12-bit displays, so I wonder what CES 2016 will bring. Sony being Sony though we'll probably have to wait until the year after that.

[Geoff D]

Heh. Noticed this on page 30:

2.5 Application Concepts of Stereoscopic 3D
This format does not provide support for Stereoscopic 3D.

Short and to the point, no? But people are still gonna cling on to the faint hope that somehow, someday 4K 3D will be added.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Short and to the point, no? But people are still gonna cling on to the faint hope that somehow, someday 4K 3D will be added.

Except if you read the BD spec in 2006 it would have said the same thing.

I find it unlikely they will add it, but it's not a "door slam", they can add it down the line if needed. Unfortunately there isn't any theatrical 3D at 4K to feed that demand.

[Geoff D]

Again true, but I don't think that the 4K 'ecosystem' (sorry Dex) can go through all these birthing pains only to pull the rug out from under people in two or three years' time, it just won't be able to sustain yet another complete change in the product cycle requiring new players, amps and displays...should 4K BD even make it that far. As you say, 4K 3D content itself is nowhere to be found; hell, actual 4K 2D content still seems to be something of a rarity unless your company's name happens to rhyme with bony.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Except if you read the BD spec in 2006 it would have said the same thing.

I find it unlikely they will add it, but it's not a "door slam", they can add it down the line if needed. Unfortunately there isn't any theatrical 3D at 4K to feed that demand.

Why make a spec with no content