The Abyss 4K UHD (1989)

[Croweyes1121]

I just noticed that there’s a mistake in the new trailer during the shot of the NTI light tube whooshing by. Whoever edited the trailer must have changed the speed of the shot and then used the “optical flow” feature in Adobe Premiere. That’s the best interpolation tool for motion, but it has to be used with extreme care, as it often leaves strange morphing artifacts in the shot. Take a look at the extreme lower left side (and, to a lesser extent, the lower right) of the frame during that shot. It’s all messed up. It’s that way even in the ProRes trailer. Pretty sloppy mistake. I doubt it affects the actual film, though, but only the trailer, as the artifacts actually extend down over the letterbox bar.

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

There were two HD masters for the TC. One created for a deluxe DVD re-release that never materialized because Jim had rejected it being supposedly done without his involvement (but did make the rounds on a Japanese HDTV channel in the mid-oughts). What's also strange is for True Lies, the HDTV/D-VHS transfer was approved by him with the intention of a 10th anniversary SE DVD. Fox canceled the SE DVD plans due to "political issues" and chose to only release it on D-VHS because it was a niche format not everyone would have.

The "Cinemax/HDTV" HD 2k master was approved by Jimbo himself and created by Reliance/Lowery in 2011-12 from a 4k scan of the OCN. The first plans to bring it out on BD were hampered by Jimmy wanting to also include and remaster the SE and then deciding to create a new 4k master of the TC, all while working on 4 Avatar sequels.

The new 4k HDR of the TC is different than the current HD master. The HDR is from another new scan of the OCN with not only the "specials treatments", but different framing in spots. The SE footage was done on film for the 1993 theatrical rerelease and was never rescanned in any form until now.

I hope this release for the theatrical cut will have the theatrically correct sped up credits like what the old HD master had

The DVD release had the slowed down credits version which is why it ran 145 minutes instead of 140 minutes

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

I hope this release for the theatrical cut will have the theatrically correct sped up credits like what the old HD master had

The DVD release had the slowed down credits version which is why it ran 145 minutes instead of 140 minutes

I'm also curious as to whether Lindsay's delivery of the line "it says Virgil Brigman back on the air" will be the SE take or the TC take. When I put together SEHD, I purposefully used the TC take there because I personally preferred it. I just noticed that the open-matte version of the SE floating around (which I had nothing to do with) duplicates that decision, which I find rather hilarious (clearly my version was used as a template).

For those who aren't aware of the difference, Lindsay says that line shaking her head in an exasperated / sarcastic tone in the TC, and in a wide shot. In the SE, it was changed to a close-up, and she says the line more happily.

I don't expect that Lightstorm and JC would overlook that moment, but I wouldn't exactly hate it if they did since I like the TC take better. Guess I'll see on Dec. 6th.

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

I hope this release for the theatrical cut will have the theatrically correct sped up credits like what the old HD master had

The DVD release had the slowed down credits version which is why it ran 145 minutes instead of 140 minutes

I believe the credits were redone at some point as the initial VHS had the slower ones, while for the 1993 SE reissue it got changed and that alteration was carried onto the 2nd TC master made at the time.

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

I believe the credits were redone at some point as the initial VHS had the slower ones, while for the 1993 SE reissue it got changed and that alteration was carried onto the 2nd TC master made at the time.

The very first VHS from 1990 had the theatrical "fast" credits despite being open matte and until the 2012 master made its rounds, was the only official way to see them outside of screenings of 1989 prints (I remember a couple of years ago, Prime briefly had this on streaming and they used the 4x3 1990 master with the sped up credits, since it had the 140 minute runtime)

It wasn't until the post-1993 VHS re-release of the theatrical cut that the credits were redone, my guess is they took the SE credits and reconformed them to match the text credits of the theatrical cut and that's what was also used on the DVD release

I mostly just want the fast credits back because of the unique music edits done for it

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Also, I'm hearing on Reddit from those who have worked on and seen early screenings of the SE remaster that the TCF logo was changed. It's said to still the 1981-94 design but the bottom "FOX" text was altered to now read "STUDIOS" ala this fanmade monstrosity.



I wouldn't be surprised if this were true or ended up for the TC also. Titanic has had the same modifications for both US (Paramount) and overseas (TC/D) releases.

OTOH, I believe True Lies will have the original 1994 logo intact since this practice seems to only effect theatrical reissues and not in-house masterings for home video/digital.

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

The very first VHS from 1990 had the theatrical "fast" credits despite being open matte and until the 2012 master made its rounds, was the only official way to see them outside of screenings of 1989 prints (I remember a couple of years ago, Prime briefly had this on streaming and they used the 4x3 1990 master with the sped up credits, since it had the 140 minute runtime)

It wasn't until the post-1993 VHS re-release of the theatrical cut that the credits were redone, my guess is they took the SE credits and reconformed them to match the text credits of the theatrical cut and that's what was also used on the DVD release

I mostly just want the fast credits back because of the unique music edits done for it

The 1.33 and letterbox masters for the TC were entirely different. The 1.33 DVD IIRC had the faster moving credits you mention while the letterbox one (also no doubt derived from the LD) had the slower SE ones.

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

The 1.33 and letterbox masters for the TC were entirely different. The 1.33 DVD IIRC had the faster moving credits you mention while the letterbox one (also no doubt derived from the LD) had the slower SE ones.

Ah, I've only seen the widescreen DVD as it's the only one I've owned, I never watched the 4x3 DVD so I can't confirm anything, though I wouldn't be shocked if it had better resolution than the widescreen version did

It's possible my copy is rotting because my 4K player had a hard time decoding the menu for it, it literally made the scene selection menu impossible to use (I jokingly said the player couldn't play it right because it was so old and the player is so new)

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by MagikM8

They really tealed the hell out of this one makes T1 look natural.

To be fair, The Abyss is one of the most blue / teal films ever made and has been since ‘89. Even still, not every shot is blanketed with teal. A lot of the shots people are noting are at the moon pool location, which are all naturally going to look similar. But take a look at the shot of Bud when he says “we’re oil workers”. Those colors are plenty natural IMO.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

I'm also curious as to whether Lindsay's delivery of the line "it says Virgil Brigman back on the air" will be the SE take or the TC take. When I put together SEHD, I purposefully used the TC take there because I personally preferred it. I just noticed that the open-matte version of the SE floating around (which I had nothing to do with) duplicates that decision, which I find rather hilarious (clearly my version was used as a template).

For those who aren't aware of the difference, Lindsay says that line shaking her head in an exasperated / sarcastic tone in the TC, and in a wide shot. In the SE, it was changed to a close-up, and she says the line more happily.

I don't expect that Lightstorm and JC would overlook that moment, but I wouldn't exactly hate it if they did since I like the TC take better. Guess I'll see on Dec. 6th.

I loved that about your version! I highly doubt it'll get changed officially tho

[PonyoBellanote]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

Also, I'm hearing on Reddit from those who have worked on and seen early screenings of the SE remaster that the TCF logo was changed. It's said to still the 1981-94 design but the bottom "FOX" text was altered to now read "STUDIOS" ala this fanmade monstrosity.



I wouldn't be surprised if this were true or ended up for the TC also. Titanic has had the same modifications for both US (Paramount) and overseas (TC/D) releases.

OTOH, I believe True Lies will have the original 1994 logo intact since this practice seems to only effect theatrical reissues and not in-house masterings for home video/digital.

That logo doesn't look too awful for a fanmade, and sure, it looks kind of weird. But as weird as it was, seeing 20TH CENTURY STUDIOS in the 3D logo for the firs time as well. Hell I think the integration is pretty natural. The dude who made this did a good work.

Of course I'm completely against logo plastering; but I would not mind seeing this concept being used in new movies that use old logos for an easter egg at the era or whatever. Like Universal and Warner tended to do sometimes.

I certainly hope Disney keeps the original logo for all of the movies - but I think it'll be as you said; Century Studios for Titanic and Abyss, and Fox for True Lies.

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I loved that about your version! I highly doubt it'll get changed officially tho

Wow, that’s amazing praise coming from you, Geoff! Yeah, I’d say the chances of it being the TC take are about 1%, but I’m still curious. I also want to know if the two issues with the branching on the DVD version have been corrected (the “so what are you doing here, hot rod?” line from the TC was left in the SE rather than the “yeah so…why did you come down?” line that was there on the LD. Also, the piece of music that was used when the NTI ark is rising was replaced in the SE, and the notes don’t match on the DVD when it cuts back to Benthic Explorer — you can tell that’s a branching moment and the music suddenly changes on the DVD). I’m sure they’ve addressed both of those issues now. But I’ll 100% report back here after 12/06 and let everyone know for sure.

[Gizz]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

You didn't get Starship Troopers 4K either and that's been 6 years

I had to import that one. Really hope we do get The Abyss here but it's starting to look worrying.

[thesaxmaniac]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

Also, I'm hearing on Reddit from those who have worked on and seen early screenings of the SE remaster that the TCF logo was changed. It's said to still the 1981-94 design but the bottom "FOX" text was altered to now read "STUDIOS" ala this fanmade monstrosity.



I wouldn't be surprised if this were true or ended up for the TC also. Titanic has had the same modifications for both US (Paramount) and overseas (TC/D) releases.

OTOH, I believe True Lies will have the original 1994 logo intact since this practice seems to only effect theatrical reissues and not in-house masterings for home video/digital.

That's it, I'm cancelling my preorder. Unacceptable.

[CelestialAgent]

Originally Posted by gazza1975

There is no way the UK wont get the Abyss - they wouldn't do that to us - either it will end up being an import then - cant wait for dec 12 when we can see whats these all look like with digital purchase - im hoping there will be an atmos track on the digital version too

I haven’t seen any word on UK theatrical showings - which is weird when Titanic, Aliens, T2 have all had screenings over the past year, and Disney have space on their calendar with The Bikeriders moving over to Focus and The Marvels and Wish probably underperforming.

Originally Posted by thesaxmaniac

That's it, I'm cancelling my preorder. Unacceptable.

Between logo substitution and non-anamorphic DVD, I’m choosing 20th Century Studios.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

Wow, that’s amazing praise coming from you, Geoff! Yeah, I’d say the chances of it being the TC take are about 1%, but I’m still curious. I also want to know if the two issues with the branching on the DVD version have been corrected (the “so what are you doing here, hot rod?” line from the TC was left in the SE rather than the “yeah so…why did you come down?” line that was there on the LD. Also, the piece of music that was used when the NTI ark is rising was replaced in the SE, and the notes don’t match on the DVD when it cuts back to Benthic Explorer — you can tell that’s a branching moment and the music suddenly changes on the DVD). I’m sure they’ve addressed both of those issues now. But I’ll 100% report back here after 12/06 and let everyone know for sure.

I said so at the time, I guess you missed it: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...9#post17582819

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I said so at the time, I guess you missed it: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...9#post17582819

Well, it's 3½ years late, but I liked the post. LOL

[Markgway]

I don't care how hard Disney try to erase the Fox from 20th Century Fox, I'll keep calling the company Fox and they'll just have to deal with it!

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

Also, I'm hearing on Reddit from those who have worked on and seen early screenings of the SE remaster that the TCF logo was changed. It's said to still the 1981-94 design but the bottom "FOX" text was altered to now read "STUDIOS" ala this fanmade monstrosity.



I wouldn't be surprised if this were true or ended up for the TC also. Titanic has had the same modifications for both US (Paramount) and overseas (TC/D) releases.

OTOH, I believe True Lies will have the original 1994 logo intact since this practice seems to only effect theatrical reissues and not in-house masterings for home video/digital.

iTunes apparently has the new master for Titanic and it's reported to have the original Paramount logo intact

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by CelestialAgent

Between logo substitution and non-anamorphic DVD, I’m choosing 20th Century Studios.

So you're choosing the non-anamorphic UHD.