The Abyss 4K UHD (1989)

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by bilbofett

BTW, here's the monitor size Jackson was using to preview the work being done on the LOTR UHDs:

TV






CINEMA

Seeing that image in bilbofett's post and all the discussion on the 4C threads...

A Super-35 2.39 negative has double the resolution than a release print, and the MTF ("sharpness") should be similar to a 70mm print, apart from the grain clumps being magnified 5 times as big ;P (22mm/10mm tall = 2.2 squared = 4.85x) so a 4K scan should look pretty good.

I took the data from this, transformed it from 1.85 to S-35 and 70mm, and plotted it log scale which is what photography and audiophiles use and more similar to how we perceive as opposed to linear by digital/engineers.


Super 35 negative MTF (red)


We add the blow-up Anamorphic lens/IP/IN/Print MTFs and we get the
Super 35 release print MTF (blue).
We add the projection lens MTF and we get the
Super 35 print/projected (green) MTF too:


But wiith a 70mm release print MTF (purple) added to compare,


or if you want to, the S35 neg compared to the 70mm print projected (gold standard) MTF

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you can see a S35 neg is equivalent to 70mm prints.


Now in reality there's also another lens that affects the image: Your eyes.

I took two different eye MTFs from here and here and plotted them for aproximately 2PH viewing distance (a 30º vertical FoV) that corresponds to sitting in the middle of the theater between the front of the screen and the back of the theatre, plotted them in log and averaged the two:

[Show spoiler]

Adding the eye MTF to the projections gives the viewed S-35 print (black) and viewed 70mm print (silver) MTFs at 2PH


As you can see 70mm as viewed is fairly less quality than what can be recorded on the S-35 neg.



For those that sit at the back of the theater or at home at 4PH from the image height (15º vertical Fov) I've plotted that too. (Actually Scope ratio letterboxed in a 16:9 TV is a Fov even smaller than that, >5PH)


What's interesting is that you see that at that distance the details are seen less sharp and you see less resolution than at 2PH, which brings us full circle to the image and post I quoted at the beginning of this post.



A well shot S-35 neg properly scanned should look as good as what we think of as "70mm" which we only saw projected, in a big screen, apart from the grain.
Which seems to be the case here:

Lowryversion upscale



Maybe trying to make S-35 go beyond S-35, and 70mm grain, is the operative word now.

Many have tried - Reverend Mother

[KcMsterpce]

Originally Posted by BigDmo531

Dude do you just spend every waking minute commenting on these Cameron 4K threads? Like we get it you hate them, there's no positives, you won't buy them. Do you really need to endlessly complain on every one of these threads still?

Yes, because it has teal. It is a blanket teal and I won't be buying it. Why? Because it has teal on it.
In this movie, Michael Biehn is a Navy SEAL, and that SEAL is covered in teal, which to me, is a teal breaker.
The next post after this is going to have a reply, by me. Why? Because I am going to mention that it has teal, and that teal is plastered all over this movie, making it look more tealy.

I will be back on this page in a little bit. I have to go to the ALIENS thread and talk about the teal.
Oh, someone posted in TRUE LIES just now.
TEAL!

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

"I hate what Cameron has done to these other movies, so I must make up exaggerations about the best one!"

It's not an exaggeration to say Aliens and Abyss have a fairly strong teal applied. But it is what it is and it's not going to change.

[KcMsterpce]

Originally Posted by mar3o

It's not an exaggeration to say Aliens and Abyss have a fairly strong teal applied. But it is what it is and it's not going to change.

Yeah, this has a blanket teal on it.

[thesaxmaniac]

Originally Posted by KcMsterpce

Yeah, this has a blanket teal on it.

The real question is whether or not a teal blanket would be comfy.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by mar3o

It's not an exaggeration to say Aliens and Abyss have a fairly strong teal applied.

It's almost 2024, are we pretending it's not a known fact that Cameron likes teal?

[Ben_UK]

Cameron probably tech reviewed these masters on a gameboy.

[Deciazulado]

… Watching every capture in my foolish transfers game
On this endless ocean, finally lovers know no shame
Turning and returning to some secret place inside
Watching in slow motion as you turn around and say
… Take my teal away
Take my teal away
… Watching, I keep waiting, still anticipating discs
Never hesitating to purchase the fated ones
Turning and returning to some secret place to hide
Watching in slow motion as you turn to me and say
… My love, take my teal away
… Through the stream, I saw you
In time, you slipped away
When the mirror crashed, I called you
And turned to hear you say
If only for today, I am unafraid
… Take my teal away
Take my teal away
… Watching every motion in this foolish transfers game
Haunted by the notion somewhere there is grain in flames
Turning and returning to some secret place inside
Watching in slow motion as you turn my way and say
… Take my teal away
My love, take my teal away
My love, take my teal away
My love, take my teal away

[bilbofett]

off topic (but relevant); some excellent AI work on the TV-version of Spielberg's "DUEL", available as an extra on the disc

[By_His_Strypes]

and the beat goes on... and on... and on... thankfully, I don't care anymore. If someone doesn't enjoy it? so be it. If you do? that's all that matters. Ignore the noise.

[thesaxmaniac]

Originally Posted by bilbofett

off topic (but relevant); some excellent AI work on the TV-version of Spielberg's "DUEL", available as an extra on the disc

Damn, looks better than True Lies

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by bilbofett

off topic (but relevant); some excellent AI work on the TV-version of Spielberg's "DUEL", available as an extra on the disc

What mysterious, dark force stopped you from posting it in the thread about, you know, The Duel?

Originally Posted by By_His_Strypes

Ignore the noise.

Like your posts?

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

It's almost 2024, are we pretending it's not a known fact that Cameron likes teal?

Some people still are. I'm not.

[gigan72]

Originally Posted by By_His_Strypes

and the beat goes on... and on... and on... thankfully, I don't care anymore. If someone doesn't enjoy it? so be it. If you do? that's all that matters. Ignore the noise.

Then why not take your advice and for even a day stop posting constantly in these Cameron threads? I swear you're the member I see posting the most in here while saying the least.

[gates70]

Some people need a life, it's crazy.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Some people still are. I'm not.

He likes steel blue as well.

[Dr. T]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

He likes steel blue as well.

[KcMsterpce]

Originally Posted by Dr. T

OMG it's so beautiful... he turned LEFT! He said he wasn't an ambi-turner!!

[rubystone356]

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/the...eview.3291022/

Jacob

[thesaxmaniac]

Originally Posted by rubystone356

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/the...eview.3291022/

Jacob

Way better than Bill Hunt’s reviews, positive while still being critical of unnecessary modification.