The Abyss 4K UHD (1989)

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by lilboyblu

As they should. What are you going to do with a faulty disc aside from throw it away?

Agreed, but still, most of the time even Amazon makes you send them back, even if defective.

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Perhaps I'm missing something but has it actually been confirmed that all three remasters are from 2K upscales?

I believe for The Abyss that it was stated it was from a 4K scan of the negative. We've seen a number of remastered Blu-ray releases from 4K or higher OCN scans be finished in 2K, only for an eventual 4K release to go back to the same scan and redo the work for a 4K finish.

I've not seen these remasters yet as I was waiting for the disc releases to watch them and they've yet to be dispatched, but from what I hear more legitimate detail is visible on Aliens that's just not there on the Blu-ray and it's not just because of sharpening.

Why are so many sure they're just 2K upscales? Are there restoration/remastering credits where Lowry or Prime Focus Technologies are credited for making their own unique Lowry Processed work available to be further altered and upscaled by someone else?

[wright96d]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

Perhaps I'm missing something but has it actually been confirmed that all three remasters are from 2K upscales?

I believe for The Abyss that it was stated it was from a 4K scan of the negative. We've seen a number of remastered Blu-ray releases from 4K or higher OCN scans be finished in 2K, only for an eventual 4K release to go back to the same scan and redo the work for a 4K finish.

I've not seen these remasters yet as I was waiting for the disc releases to watch them and they've yet to be dispatched, but from what I hear more legitimate detail is visible on Aliens that's just not there on the Blu-ray and it's not just because of sharpening.

Why are so many sure they're just 2K upscales? Are there restoration/remastering credits where Lowry or Prime Focus Technologies are credited for making their own unique Lowry Processed work available to be further altered and upscaled by someone else?

Lightstorm does claim them to be 4K scans. But they're identical in both framing and color timing to the Lowry 2K restorations, and there's really no better way to explain why they look so gross. If you want to take Lightstorm at their word, that's fine, I guess. Seems most people are content with that.

[kburns10]

Originally Posted by Jutty

Thats' the first thing i did.( 4k having is own ring)... still didnt help lol..
Walmart.com was good enough to refund my payment for The Abyss, and i had already ordered another copy from Target with a ETA of Friday !

Good luck with that replacement! Hopefully the second one is perfect!

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Originally Posted by wright96d

Lightstorm does claim them to be 4K scans. But they're identical in both framing and color timing to the Lowry 2K restorations, and there's really no better way to explain why they look so gross. If you want to take Lightstorm at their word, that's fine, I guess. Seems most people are content with that.

As I mentioned, we've already seen companies go back and redo restoration work for a 4K finish that was originally done in 2K. I believe Arrow's An American Werewolf in London may be an example of this and the Blu-ray and UHD presentations look incredibly similar so this definitely isn't unheard of. I imagine whatever processing has been done may account for this "gross" look. As I said, I've yet to see these for myself so I can't comment on whatever is going on in that regard.

[Nocheduro]

Originally Posted by wright96d

Lightstorm does claim them to be 4K scans. But they're identical in both framing and color timing to the Lowry 2K restorations, and there's really no better way to explain why they look so gross. If you want to take Lightstorm at their word, that's fine, I guess. Seems most people are content with that.

Could it be the Lowry 2K restorations are from 4K scans? Would explain why the framing is identical.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by mar3o

It's still a terrible system and I've always felt that. Not every disc walks around the store like that. It's ridiculous to tell customers on the site they don't have any copies in their local store when they do. If it can't be found when they come in, well that's no different than any other store that says they have some in stock but they're sold out once you arrive. It would still save many people a lot of effort if they could just take a run to the store to grab it when there is in fact stock, as opposed to being told "no" and then have to hunt all over town or online. For many titles, 2 or 3 in stock means there will still be a copy when they come in.

The whole point of these low cost items is to get people into the store. If you tell potential customers you don’t have it less potential sales on other items.

[sandman slim]

Originally Posted by mar3o

It's still a terrible system and I've always felt that. Not every disc walks around the store like that. It's ridiculous to tell customers on the site they don't have any copies in their local store when they do...

Okay, your store has one copy of the Abyss on the shelf & you place a pickup order. And in the time between then & when a picker goes to electronics to get the item, an instore customer picks it up and puts it in their cart. Now it's a nilpick, and they move on to the next item on their picklist, and your order gets canceled. So which one's worse: "this item not available for pickup order", or "there's one in the store so you can order it but oops, someone else got to it first"?

[tninos]

I’m having the same issue with my abyss 4K Blu-ray as well as aliens 4K Blu-ray. As was mentioned, mine freezes up in the exact same spot on abyss at about 58 minutes. Alien started freezing up right after The scene where Ripley rescues the soldiers a little after an hour into the movie. I have a Panasonic UB 820 and I own about 100 4K movies and Blu-ray and none of my discs skip. I’ve wiped down the discs with a microfiber cloth and I don’t see any scratches, but it still skips. Is anyone else having the same issue? I’m wondering if it’s a manufacturing issue if enough people report the same problem. This is very frustrating!

[mpengle]

How are you guys all ordering this from Target? When I search on their site it doesn't even come up period...

[bilbofett]

Originally Posted by Nocheduro

Could it be the Lowry 2K restorations are from 4K scans? Would explain why the framing is identical.

if they were true 4k 35mm scans then they would not have had to upscale anything (because it would've gone to 8k, not 4k). The fact that several shots showed details that weren't present in the original means, not only did DNR smooth things out, but the AI also 'drew' new details that didn't exist in the capture.
And if anyone wants to come at me saying "Park Road must've had a low quality scanner that gave them unsatisfactory soft blurry results so they must've upscaled after to get more of the type of crisp image people would be expecting".. no, they have a state of the art 10k resolution scanner.
These guys are the ones who absolutely fumbled the Beatles restoration by smearing/smoothing out ALL the fine details. The video resolution on a DVD would've looked better. There's also side-by-side of the blu-ray of LOTR and the UHD and there's visibly more lines of resolution in the blu-ray!

[Deromax]

I bet the freezing at 58 minutes is at the layer change...

[bilbofett]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

more legitimate detail is visible on Aliens that's just not there on the Blu-ray and it's not just because of sharpening.

Park Road upscaled them.
Examples of AI tampering:
1) somehow, the stupid AI models managed to ADD wrinkles to Ripley's face to make her look older! Its completely artificial looking, looks like she's wearing one of those prosthetic masks
2) for True Lies, theres a shot of Jamie Lee Curtis' sweater where clearly little fine hair size fuzzy threads are seen on her shoulders, and its just completely not even there on the earlier transfers. And its NOT a matter of "well the detail was there, just lower resolution so you could barely see it". Nope. Again.. the AI added it, because it thought thats what its supposed to look like. In the same shot, you can also tell the AI model added more strands of hair to her head that were not captured from the 35mm initially.

[Nocheduro]

Originally Posted by bilbofett

if they were true 4k 35mm scans then they would not have had to upscale anything (because it would've gone to 8k, not 4k). The fact that several shots showed details that weren't present in the original means, not only did DNR smooth things out, but the AI also 'drew' new details that didn't exist in the capture.
And if anyone wants to come at me saying "Park Road must've had a low quality scanner that gave them unsatisfactory soft blurry results so they must've upscaled after to get more of the type of crisp image people would be expecting".. no, they have a state of the art 10k resolution scanner.

Where was it said for a fact that anything was upscaled?

These guys are the ones who absolutely fumbled the Beatles restoration by smearing/smoothing out ALL the fine details. The video resolution on a DVD would've looked better. There's also side-by-side of the blu-ray of LOTR and the UHD and there's visibly more lines of resolution in the blu-ray!

They were just doing what Peter Jackson told them to do.

[raptors661]

Welp, my amazon order was delayed indefinitely. No date. Oh well. I'll get True Lies this weekend and Aliens next month sometime.

[raybestos]

As much as it pains me - after waiting 25+ years for "definitive" editions, I think I'm going to have to pass on these three UHDs. Unfortunately we had to wait too long. Long enough for a revisionist arrogant ass (James Cameron) to forget what his masterpiece THE ABYSS looked like when he filmed it *on film* in 1988. Long enough for his revisionism to be accepted carte blanche with the apologists explaining it away, paying lip service to how these films have been altered to look like 2024 digitally-shot modern films.

But, the (older collectors') audience for all three of these UHD releases DOES NOT WANT A MODERN FILM digital look. They want definitive versions of these three favorites from 35-40 years ago. They remember seeing them theatrically in 35mm (or, 70-mm in the case of ALIENS?) glory back in the day.

The reviewers are apologists and say these are "good" because there's nothing else beyond 480i/p transfers of 25 years ago. Well, I'm not going to plunk down $150 for altered versions of these perennial favorites.

35mm scanned versions of these exist. I'll be content with them and their more faithful, if slightly less technically "polished" look. They honor the theatrical orgins of three great films.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by raybestos

As much as it pains me - after waiting 25+ years for "definitive" editions, I think I'm going to have to pass on these three UHDs. Unfortunately we had to wait too long. Long enough for a revisionist arrogant ass (James Cameron) to forget what his masterpiece THE ABYSS looked like when he filmed it *on film* in 1988. Long enough for his revisionism to be accepted carte blanche with the apologists explaining it away, paying lip service to how these films have been altered to look like 2024 digitally-shot modern films.

But, the (older collectors') audience for all three of these UHD releases DOES NOT WANT A MODERN FILM digital look. They want definitive versions of these three favorites from 35-40 years ago. They remember seeing them theatrically in 35mm (or, 70-mm in the case of ALIENS?) glory back in the day.

The reviewers are apologists and say these are "good" because there's nothing else beyond 480i/p transfers of 25 years ago. Well, I'm not going to plunk down $150 for altered versions of these perennial favorites.

35mm scanned versions of these exist. I'll be content with them and their more faithful, if slightly less technically "polished" look. They honor the theatrical orgins of three great films.

Thanks for the announcement.

[rubystone356]

Originally Posted by raybestos

As much as it pains me - after waiting 25+ years for "definitive" editions, I think I'm going to have to pass on these three UHDs. Unfortunately we had to wait too long. Long enough for a revisionist arrogant ass (James Cameron) to forget what his masterpiece THE ABYSS looked like when he filmed it *on film* in 1988. Long enough for his revisionism to be accepted carte blanche with the apologists explaining it away, paying lip service to how these films have been altered to look like 2024 digitally-shot modern films.

But, the (older collectors') audience for all three of these UHD releases DOES NOT WANT A MODERN FILM digital look. They want definitive versions of these three favorites from 35-40 years ago. They remember seeing them theatrically in 35mm (or, 70-mm in the case of ALIENS?) glory back in the day.

The reviewers are apologists and say these are "good" because there's nothing else beyond 480i/p transfers of 25 years ago. Well, I'm not going to plunk down $150 for altered versions of these perennial favorites.

35mm scanned versions of these exist. I'll be content with them and their more faithful, if slightly less technically "polished" look. They honor the theatrical orgins of three great films.

you trolling or not a real fan. some people saw the screening of the abyss and thought it was fine with minor issues.. the others two films are a different story.

Jacob

[ghostof82]

It seems that some directors seduced/ excited by the possibilities of digital filmmaking (re: ability to manipulate the image and use CGI visual effects) remember with horror the days of photochemical limitations of film (optical effects printing etc) and when they revisit their older films for releases such as this, can't help but tinker and see it as progress. But films are of their time. A colourised King King or Citizen Kane? Nobody wants that. So a rehashed The Abyss/Aliens/True Lies should be considered much the same. But hey, progress. At least there's was no 3D conversion.

[rubystone356]

Originally Posted by jess1581

So, you made your PSA three times now. Are you gonna go away in personal satisfaction as the rest of us continue to not care? That'd be swell.

just a troller with nothing to do but ***** about it. it sold like hot cakes.. regardless if he got a copy or not.