The Abyss 4K UHD (1989)

[Telemachus]

Nothing ruins my mood faster than a beard and a snapback

[Purploros]

So the 4K disc has the DTS-HD MA 2.0 track, but not the 5.1, while the Blu-ray has the 5.1, but not the 2.0?

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Mr Muxit is getting ANGRY about an audio issue?? That's something you don't see every day.

he was probably very quick at ranting to Mr. Hunt on twitter

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Mr Muxit is getting ANGRY about an audio issue?? That's something you don't see every day.

Thanks for being Johnny on the spot with the salt as always.

But this IS a very special case, because I know for a fact that the QC team was REPEATEDLY TOLD about this and still failed to correct it, so yes I’m pissed. Also, this isn’t a simple remux job, either. The SE is branched. Putting all the pieces back together without mucking up the DV and everything else would be a nightmare. I might be able to do it, but I’m not sure. But more likely, I’m now stuck with watching the film on BD with the correct audio or on 4K with the errors (or in 2.0).

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

he was probably very quick at ranting to Mr. Hunt on twitter

I’ve certainly let him know about this.

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by Purploros

So the 4K disc has the DTS-HD MA 2.0 track, but not the 5.1, while the Blu-ray has the 5.1, but not the 2.0?

No, the 4K has an Atmos track with errors and the 2.0.
The BD has a DTS-HD MA 5.1 track WITHOUT errors and the 2.0.

The 2.0 is error-free on both discs.

[BNex99]

Originally Posted by Purploros

So the 4K disc has the DTS-HD MA 2.0 track, but not the 5.1, while the Blu-ray has the 5.1, but not the 2.0?

The 4K disc has Atmos and 2.0, while the standard Blu has 5.1 and 2.0. The Atmos still has the music error, while all the others do not.

EDIT: Sorry; Croweyes beat me to it.

My Cameron Trio came in this weekend (faster than expected from Disney Movie Club). With all the to-do about the AI processing, etc., I will say that from a cursory glance (and only that), The Abyss does seem to be the least egregious of the three.

Maybe it's because it's never been presented on home video in anywhere near this quality before and the next best version isn't in circulation anymore (and was never released on disc), or maybe because it's always had a fairly "processed" look to it (shot-for-shot, it might be the bluest, tealest film Cameron has ever made), but I think I'll be okay with this release.

[motorheadache95]

Is the 2.0 the original theatrical mix, or is it possibly a downmix of the 5.1 mix that’s on the Blu-ray?

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by BNex99

The 4K disc has Atmos and 2.0, while the standard Blu has 5.1 and 2.0. The Atmos still has the music error, while all the others do not.

Errors, plural. There’s the pitch change as the ark rises and the awkward fade where a section of music repeats during the added shot of the crew looking out over the ark right near the end. I believe there’s also another one where a portion of Willin’ is played over again directly after the crew sings it as Lindsey is descending toward deepcore.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

Thanks for being Johnny on the spot with the salt as always.

But this IS a very special case, because I know for a fact that the QC team was REPEATEDLY TOLD about this and still failed to correct it, so yes I’m pissed. Also, this isn’t a simple remux job, either. The SE is branched. Putting all the pieces back together without mucking up the DV and everything else would be a nightmare. I might be able to do it, but I’m not sure. But more likely, I’m now stuck with watching the film on BD with the correct audio or on 4K with the errors (or in 2.0).

It really wasn't meant to be too snarky, more a playful jab, but I had to get it in there after all the times you've dismissed audio problems with "doesn't bovver me, I'll just mux it with this other track". It's a collectors item to see you this angry over an audio track is all, and now you know our pain!

And to flip the tables even more, I'm so pleased that the 2.0 doesn't have the errors because no Atmos = no problemo for me, I'll just watch it with the 2.0 so the botched Atmos doesn't matter a jot.

[BNex99]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Is the 2.0 the original theatrical mix, or is it possibly a downmix of the 5.1 mix that’s on the Blu-ray?

It seems to be the original, or a very faithful recreation of it.

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

all the times you've dismissed audio problems with "doesn't bovver me, I'll just mux it with this other track”

Except that I’ve literally never said these things “didn’t bother me”, just that I know how to correct them most of the time and have admittedly encouraged others to learn how to do the same. I always understood the frustration, and have never intended to be dismissive of it. But again, in this particular case, it isn’t a matter of an error sneaking through. It was well-documented and brought to the attention of TPTB far in advance of this disc. That’s what upsets me. I actually put my money where my mouth was and made every attempt to get this fixed FOR EVERYONE before the discs were made. There’s simply no excuse for it to STILL be an issue. What’s more, they were clearly aware of the problem because the BD’s 5.1 track was corrected properly. This wasn’t an oversight. It was sheer laziness.

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It really wasn't meant to be too snarky, more a playful jab, but I had to get it in there after all the times you've dismissed audio problems with "doesn't bovver me, I'll just mux it with this other track". It's a collectors item to see you this angry over an audio track is all, and now you know our pain!

And to flip the tables even more, I'm so pleased that the 2.0 doesn't have the errors because no Atmos = no problemo for me, I'll just watch it with the 2.0 so the botched Atmos doesn't matter a jot.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Atmos is nothing but a gimmick

there's a consistently growing list of screwed up Atmos/X tracks and it looks like this one will be an addition to that

honestly I was legitimately expecting the 2.0 track to be a downmix but I'm so f-cking glad it's not

[DigitalDeluge24]

Originally Posted by Telemachus

Nothing ruins my mood faster than a beard and a snapback

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Atmos is nothing but a gimmick

there's a consistently growing list of screwed up Atmos/X tracks and it looks like this one will be an addition to that

honestly I was legitimately expecting the 2.0 track to be a downmix but I'm so f-cking glad it's not

Like a lot of this stuff Atmos is a powerful creative tool in the right hands, it doesn't have to be auto-revisionist if the mixers/talent don't want it to be. But even at its best there's still room for error or omission so just give us the choice between old and new, that's all I'll ever aks for. Lossless OG 2.0 on The Abuse is blowing my mind tho, eeeeeek!!

Though these errors have nothing to do with Atmos per se, they were grandfathered in from the original 5.1 prepared for the DVD and while Foxney got to the 5.1 in time they clearly didn't bovver with the Atmos. I wonder if the DD 5.1 backup on the Atmos has the errors or is the corrected 5.1? Worth checking, though it's 99% likely it's just a downmix of the Atmos.

[benji888578]

Pre ordered from DMC arrived today!

[starmike]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Atmos is nothing but a gimmick

there's a consistently growing list of screwed up Atmos/X tracks and it looks like this one will be an addition to that

honestly I was legitimately expecting the 2.0 track to be a downmix but I'm so f-cking glad it's not

Might as well call anything except mono a "gimmick".

Stereo was a "gimmick" in the '60s, and the list goes on.

I think Atmos is amazing if done right. There are bad Atmos mixes and there are bad stereo and 5.1 mixes.

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by starmike

Might as well call anything except mono a "gimmick".

Stereo was a "gimmick" in the '60s, and the list goes on.

I think Atmos is amazing if done right. There are bad Atmos mixes and there are bad stereo and 5.1 mixes.

To me at least it's moreso a gimmick when remixing older movies to it, I don't see it as necessary personally especially if the original mix was in fact mono

[starmike]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

To me at least it's moreso a gimmick when remixing older movies to it, I don't see it as necessary personally especially if the original mix was in fact mono

You should watch some Star Trek TOS in 5.1. The fact that they had all the stems available and were able to pull off *79* remixes is pretty impressive.

[Geoff D]

It's even more incredible that there are 79 mono mixes on TOS, thank fook for choice