The Abyss 4K UHD (1989)

[LanceL]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I understand what you are trying to say, but hate is a feeling. If I tell you that I hate something, my feeling is real and therefore a fact.

For example, I REALLY hate all forms of fish and seafood. This is not my mere opinion; I genuinely despise it. No one knows how they feel better than themselves.

[Show spoiler]Everyone's feelings are valid. Though they aren't factually accurate to the evidence contained within the movie. Feelings can change, and so can opinions. It just depends on the maturity of the person. If you find you cannot change your feelings with careful consideration, you might not be fully mature. Then again, your original opinion might be correct. It all has to do with your current state of awareness. If I am up for 12 hours, my mind becomes bargled. I don't sleep well. I have a CPAP machine but it doens't help. So, I can get any amount of sleep and I won't be fully here. Which is probably why 12 hours causes me to feel like I have been up much longer.

I will change my opinion with the evidence. But if I simply cannot take what is being presented, much like your fish problem, I will understand other's opinion, but I wont be able to have the same.


But the fact that a movie was always the way it was, can only change within the maturity of the person. Now, if the movie is from the studio The Asylum, someone who hasn't gained enough brain mass might really enjoy it. Then again, someone with a fully formed brain might love it just as much as a little kid would, because they appreciate terrible movies.

Now, with movies like something from Kubrick, or Ridely Scott, I probably won't change my mind because I simply do not like their direction, nor the writing. Not to mention the material. 2001 A Space Odyssy just isn't for me. I do enjoy Alien, but some of the writing or acting I just can't wrap my head around.

My thoughts on movies, I'm not going to claim should be eteched in stone. But at the moment of my reaction, I do feel pretty convinced of my thoughts. There are some things that I can call flaws, or question the aspects. Now, I understand you are being facetious. I chose to go for more of a serious reply.

Now, regarding your feelings towards taste. Of course you're right about the way your taste buds tell you stuff. Much like your stomach. If you're belly cannot take spice, like mine, then you aren't about to enjoy eating something spicy. Then again, your taste buds might actually enjoy it, but your stomach doesn't Like with chocolate. I love chocolate, but my stomach gets strained on it. Acid reflux, or something like that. I can't stand olives. Olive oil makes me gag. As does most vegitables. And my current health is probably due to my palate not being able to stand that kind of substance. It makes my belly sour. Most people it helps. But mine, there is something wrong with mine. So, if your taste buds don't like it, I understand. But if you can't appreciate some elements of the movie, it's not really the correct response. Like with Alien and 2001. I understand that their stories are good, the sets and effects are good. But there are certain aspects I don't like. With 2001, it's probably the length of the movie. And the fact that it's supposed to deal with the boredom of space. Alien, it's to do with the characters, and the acting. Most isn't bad, but there are moments that I question. I probably should go to the particular threads for this, but I find that in any thread, I tend to get people's minds in a pinch due to my nitpicks.

Okay, let's see. If you want my opinion and complaints about my favorite movie ever made, try looking at the Nope threads. I might just go in there and jott down my problems with that movie. I do have some complaints, and I have been wanting to mention them once I got my ideas straight.

When it comes to the senses, there isn't much you can do. Like me. I don't like the sunlight because it hurts my eyes. The heat harms my pores. I would like to go outside and take a walk, but my knee and ankle simply do not work properly.

Let's get back to The Abyss. I want to see the director's cut so badly, but I don't have the money right now. I really thought that the wave and the end seriousness to the aliens thoughts about the human race work really well. The absense of the depth of the director's cut simply makes the movie less relevant and less captivating. Once I watched the director's cut, I don't understand the theatrical cut. Anyone else have the same feeling?

Edited due to length. I apologize.

[Ben_UK]

Watched The Abyss last night.

It’s been many years since I saw it and I didn’t remember how preachy & heavy handed the ending was (just my opinion).

I do think it’s one of Cameron’s best films, personally I think his best is Terminator, but this is a close second.

[ghostof82]

The Terminator and The Abyss are Cameron's best- in fact they look like films made by a different director from the guy who made Avatar.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by LanceL

Everyone's feelings are valid.

[Show spoiler]Though they aren't factually accurate to the evidence contained within the movie. Feelings can change, and so can opinions. It just depends on the maturity of the person. If you find you cannot change your feelings with careful consideration, you might not be fully mature. Then again, your original opinion might be correct. It all has to do with your current state of awareness. If I am up for 12 hours, my mind becomes bargled. I don't sleep well. I have a CPAP machine but it doens't help. So, I can get any amount of sleep and I won't be fully here. Which is probably why 12 hours causes me to feel like I have been up much longer.

I will change my opinion with the evidence. But if I simply cannot take what is being presented, much like your fish problem, I will understand other's opinion, but I wont be able to have the same.


But the fact that a movie was always the way it was, can only change within the maturity of the person. Now, if the movie is from the studio The Asylum, someone who hasn't gained enough brain mass might really enjoy it. Then again, someone with a fully formed brain might love it just as much as a little kid would, because they appreciate terrible movies.

Now, with movies like something from Kubrick, or Ridely Scott, I probably won't change my mind because I simply do not like their direction, nor the writing. Not to mention the material. 2001 A Space Odyssy just isn't for me. I do enjoy Alien, but some of the writing or acting I just can't wrap my head around.

My thoughts on movies, I'm not going to claim should be eteched in stone. But at the moment of my reaction, I do feel pretty convinced of my thoughts. There are some things that I can call flaws, or question the aspects. Now, I understand you are being facetious. I chose to go for more of a serious reply.

Now, regarding your feelings towards taste. Of course you're right about the way your taste buds tell you stuff. Much like your stomach. If you're belly cannot take spice, like mine, then you aren't about to enjoy eating something spicy. Then again, your taste buds might actually enjoy it, but your stomach doesn't Like with chocolate. I love chocolate, but my stomach gets strained on it. Acid reflux, or something like that. I can't stand olives. Olive oil makes me gag. As does most vegitables. And my current health is probably due to my palate not being able to stand that kind of substance. It makes my belly sour. Most people it helps. But mine, there is something wrong with mine. So, if your taste buds don't like it, I understand. But if you can't appreciate some elements of the movie, it's not really the correct response. Like with Alien and 2001. I understand that their stories are good, the sets and effects are good. But there are certain aspects I don't like. With 2001, it's probably the length of the movie. And the fact that it's supposed to deal with the boredom of space. Alien, it's to do with the characters, and the acting. Most isn't bad, but there are moments that I question. I probably should go to the particular threads for this, but I find that in any thread, I tend to get people's minds in a pinch due to my nitpicks.

Okay, let's see. If you want my opinion and complaints about my favorite movie ever made, try looking at the Nope threads. I might just go in there and jott down my problems with that movie. I do have some complaints, and I have been wanting to mention them once I got my ideas straight.

When it comes to the senses, there isn't much you can do. Like me. I don't like the sunlight because it hurts my eyes. The heat harms my pores. I would like to go outside and take a walk, but my knee and ankle simply do not work properly.

Let's get back to The Abyss. I want to see the director's cut so badly, but I don't have the money right now. I really thought that the wave and the end seriousness to the aliens thoughts about the human race work really well. The absense of the depth of the director's cut simply makes the movie less relevant and less captivating. Once I watched the director's cut, I don't understand the theatrical cut. Anyone else have the same feeling?

You put a lot more effort into your reply to my comment than I expected.

Certainly, there are numerous objective differences between different home video editions of a given movie. How much we care about those objective differences will vary with each of us.

Even so, if I tell you that I like, or hate, what I see and hear, it is a fact that I like, or hate, it. My reaction might seem justified to some and batshit to others, but how I feel is still how I feel.

When I say that fish disgusts me; that's a fact. It really, really does; I can't even stand the odor of it at a distance.

If I instead said that fish is disgusting, that would be an opinion.

[drb999]

I’m with you Vilya. I can’t stand any kind of sea food. It’s just nasty to me. Funny thing is when I was a kid I loved tuna fish sandwiches but at some point I just couldn’t eat them any more. I think the last time I had one was in 1980.

[sojrner]

Originally Posted by Vilya

[Show spoiler]You put a lot more effort into your reply to my comment than I expected.

Certainly, there are numerous objective differences between different home video editions of a given movie. How much we care about those objective differences will vary with each of us.

Even so, if I tell you that I like, or hate, what I see and hear, it is a fact that I like, or hate, it. My reaction might seem justified to some and batshit to others, but how I feel is still how I feel.

When I say that fish disgusts me; that's a fact. It really, really does; I can't even stand the odor of it at a distance.

If I instead said that fish is disgusting, that would be an opinion.

So, looking back at your objection to hate as an opinion, you said it was a feeling and therefore a fact. Here you clarify that the difference is that if you hate something, it's a fact that you hate it internally... Being hateful can be a fact, but the hate itself, externally, objectively, is not fact. It is opinion that is subjective based on all sorts of influences and elements.

Back to your analogy, taste (like hate) can be trained. In fact, it is trained by what we grow up eating, positive and negative, else why would different regions have such different foods? It's a fact you don't like X and Y food, but it's opinion that they are unlikable.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

[Show spoiler]I still have not gotten around to watching these three classic James Cameron movies, I ended up somehow putting them way in the back on the shelf next to the Star Trek and Doctor Who series. Problem with waiting to watch the best movies and TV series for last, is if someone has many optical discs, ones favorite movies and TV series are never watched again. Might have to in several months or weeks move James Cameron movies closer to the front on the shelf.

One of the reasons James Cameron has less movies made when compared to some people is because he has a second career/hobby as a professional Deep-Sea explorer. Some people take risks and travel into outer space with new commercial spaceship designs, other people like James Cameron travels to the deepest part of the ocean. Most people do not have the time and resources to do both, but it would have been interesting to see James Cameron traveling to outer space and what type of spaceship he would have used to do so. Here are a few select quotes from the Sound and Vision magazine article (The reviewer did not like the image quality of True Lies):

“Across a career now spanning 40 years (if we use the version of his résumé that lists The Terminator as his debut), James Cameron has proven himself as one of our most popular filmmakers. His oeuvre totals fewer than 10 movies, yet they have been much-appreciated mdash; including two that were top box office champs — so newer, superior disc releases are seemingly forever at the top of fans’ wishlists.”

“Three years later, Cameron combined his love of the ocean and storytelling to bring audiences The Abyss, a sometimes-successful attempt to inspire awe as a crew of underwater roughnecks and a few Navy SEALs discover a strange new civilization.”

“The Abyss receives a standout 4K presentation that far surpasses any of the previously available releases. Detail is extraordinary, right down to dirt on the actors’ faces, while searchlights cutting through the blackness of the deep are powerful and dramatic, despite some unfortunate ringing in underwater glows. “

“One could argue that Aliens is one of those cases where the step-up in clarity has a downside, exposing the rough edges of ’80s analog visual effects (which, by the way, landed the film an Oscar). Film grain has not been completely scrubbed away, but if the inherent grittiness of the original release holds much of the charm for you, this cleaned-up version just might be too clean.”

“It’s fitting that True Lies, Cameron’s weakest movie, is the biggest disappointment of the group: the heavy hand of DNR is blatant at times and color and contrast can be wonky with bright highlights appearing harsh and unresolved. I observed excessive strobing in fast-action scenes, an unpleasant distraction seldom seen in respectable 4K masters. “

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...k-blu-ray-last

That's a fair rendition. The Abyss is the best of the bunch. And Aliens is nothing to be afraid of. ...My feelings too.
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And I ate a nice breakfast this morning. I'll tell you everything about it next time.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sojrner

So, looking back at your objection to hate as an opinion, you said it was a feeling and therefore a fact. Here you clarify that the difference is that if you hate something, it's a fact that you hate it internally... Being hateful can be a fact, but the hate itself, externally, objectively, is not fact. It is opinion that is subjective based on all sorts of influences and elements.

Back to your analogy, taste (like hate) can be trained. In fact, it is trained by what we grow up eating, positive and negative, else why would different regions have such different foods? It's a fact you don't like X and Y food, but it's opinion that they are unlikable.

What I have underlined in your reply is pretty close to what I said in the last two sentences of my post; i.e.: Fish disgusts me (fact); fish is disgusting (opinion).



If I tell you how I feel about something you can be confident that I am telling you the truth. I seldom have the motivation to craft a lie.

My reasons for why I feel the way that I feel are another matter. Are my reasons subjective? Probably. Are they ? Possibly.

I think I will take the lead from Markgway and put myself on my ignore list. I hate having to do it, really I do.

[LordoftheRings]

[sojrner]

Originally Posted by Vilya

What I have underlined in your reply is pretty close to what I said in the last two sentences of my post; i.e.: Fish disgusts me (fact); fish is disgusting (opinion).

[Show spoiler]

If I tell you how I feel about something you can be confident that I am telling you the truth. I seldom have the motivation to craft a lie.

My reasons for why I feel the way that I feel are another matter. Are my reasons subjective? Probably. Are they ? Possibly.

I think I will take the lead from Markgway and put myself on my ignore list. I hate having to do it, really I do.

That's all cool, I wasn't hammering on you or anything, and certainly not calling you crazy for not liking a delicious, cayenne-and-lemon-dusted, perfectly-cooked walleye fillet... But yeah, just trying to understand what was being debated, as I see hate (and related things) as opinion, subjective, while someone having hate (or being hateful) can be a fact.

Rock on.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sojrner

That's all cool, I wasn't hammering on you or anything...

I never felt like a nail; it's all good.

[LanceL]

Originally Posted by Ben_UK

Watched The Abyss last night.

It’s been many years since I saw it and I didn’t remember how preachy & heavy handed the ending was (just my opinion).

I do think it’s one of Cameron’s best films, personally I think his best is Terminator, but this is a close second.

That's exactly what I liked about the end. Now, I haven't seen it in probably two decades, so I might have changed my mind since. Which is why it upsets me that Hulu only has the theatrical version.

Originally Posted by Vilya

You put a lot more effort into your reply to my comment than I expected.

Certainly, there are numerous objective differences between different home video editions of a given movie. How much we care about those objective differences will vary with each of us.

Even so, if I tell you that I like, or hate, what I see and hear, it is a fact that I like, or hate, it. My reaction might seem justified to some and batshit to others, but how I feel is still how I feel.

When I say that fish disgusts me; that's a fact. It really, really does; I can't even stand the odor of it at a distance.

If I instead said that fish is disgusting, that would be an opinion.

Completely understand...

[Show spoiler]I always put a lot of effort into my posts. If you know me, you'd know that. See ol' Jay H.'s thanks given to your post? Jay H. doesn't like the fact that some movies aren't for some people. I let them know that that is just how it is. Every time someone seems to go against my opinion, there's usually a thank you from Jay H. That person can't stand that I told them that I was glad they didn't like Nope 2022, because if they did, I might not have. Same with It Follows 2014. I don't care for that movie and asked that thread if it's just that it wasn't made for me. I got banned from that thread because some were telling me to go away because of my opinion and my dialogue. I think they decided to turn me in for what I had to say. I asked those who didn't want to read anything of opposition, they should be the ones to go away because they had already given their perspective. But they didn't want me there, so, yeah, I can't post in that thread beacuse of their attitudes. Jay H. was one of the many who probably reported my thoughts. They weren't that obscene, just questions. But getting a lot of "If you don't like the movie, why are you commenting on it?" brings these forums into echo chamber territory, and the majority is always given the reject button. So, I defended myself and they didn't care for that.

And I have no problem calling people out for their behavior. I hope others do the same with me when I get too angry.

I understand that you can't stand fish and stuff. I hate spicy stuff. During break in the last few months I have been without anything to munch on, so I tried to eat someone's Jalapeno chips and I didn't hate them. I didn't like the burn, but I was able to take something in for break at least. Would I go out of my way with my own money to buy something like that? No. I simply cannot stand spicy stuff. But I pulled my proverbial big boy pants up and took a few in order to drive my hunger away for a little while. There was this time when I was at a cousin's and he was eating hot dogs. I hate regular hot dogs, but I was hungry and so I took what was offered. He piled them with veges, and surprised me with some kind of pepper that stung horribly. I tried to wipe my forehead and the juice rubbed off. I had completely forgotten that you should never use your fingers to do that if they have contact with a pepper. An embarrassing symptom of that whole lunch was two hours on his toilet. I think he got a good chuckle from me and my grimace, but I have a feeling the time I spent expelling it didn't give him much to laugh at.

So, whenever you decide to reply to me, you'll know that I put a lot of thought into my comments. Some people, like Jay H., cannot stand me because of that. But my thoughts, and however long I decide they should be to convey them, is up to me. If Jay H. doesn't like it, they should just look away. Yes, that guy gets to me with their attitude. They stopped posting in this forum supposedly because of the cynical nature of others, but I think they have a lot to do with their own problem than they realize. Allowing others to give their opinion isn't always valued on this forum. And we all know this from the number of folks who argue and argue about what others have to post about.

Just let people be who they are. Unless they are being very disrespectful, that.

Originally Posted by sojrner

So, looking back at your objection to hate as an opinion, you said it was a feeling and therefore a fact. Here you clarify that the difference is that if you hate something, it's a fact that you hate it internally...

[Show spoiler]Being hateful can be a fact, but the hate itself, externally, objectively, is not fact. It is opinion that is subjective based on all sorts of influences and elements.

Back to your analogy, taste (like hate) can be trained. In fact, it is trained by what we grow up eating, positive and negative, else why would different regions have such different foods? It's a fact you don't like X and Y food, but it's opinion that they are unlikable.

[Show spoiler]Some of what I have put into spoilers is what I was getting at. I was given veges sometime during my childhood, which I ate. Hated, but ated. My parents got divorced and my dad started letting me eat what I wanted. And it was always a double bacon cheese burger plain, because I can't stand veges. Perhaps if he would have made me eat veges, my stomach wouldn't have a problem with them today. If I eat fiber, it has to be cereal, or a fiber wafer. The veges just...well, they cause a side effect I ain't going to get into. TMI, and all.

But I understand Vilya. To them, sea food isn't pleasant. They wouldn't be able to be around me when I eat my smoked salmon. I can barely stand the stench of Japapenos, and other peppers. I can smell it through the glass bottles. If I made myself eat it, it might change in a few years. Who knows about the human body. But it makes me feel so uncomfortable that I avoid it. But if they told you that you should hate what they do, that's no longer fact. It's their opinion. The fact that they cannot stand sea fish is...well, a fact. They might be able to get used to it if they were made to. But the knowledge of how our taste buds make us feel at the present, that's fact. I have a huge problem with the taste of tomatoes, and my stomach hates the acid. But Kathcup is fine. Why? Everyone says if I don't like tomatoes, then I shouldn't like Kapchup. Well, it's made with sugar, and that helps ease the taste. I'm sure it's made of other things that negate the taste, too.

Originally Posted by Vilya

[Show spoiler]What I have underlined in your reply is pretty close to what I said in the last two sentences of my post; i.e.: Fish disgusts me (fact); fish is disgusting (opinion).


If I tell you how I feel about something you can be confident that I am telling you the truth. I seldom have the motivation to craft a lie.

My reasons for why I feel the way that I feel are another matter. Are my reasons subjective? Probably. Are they ? Possibly.

I think I will take the lead from Markgway and put myself on my ignore list. I hate having to do it, really I do.

[Show spoiler]Yes, our palates are subjective. But that doesn't take away the validity to who you are. If you are allergic to caffeine like I am, it doesn't help keep you awake; it makes you loopy and might give you a migraine, and teichopsia. TO your last thought, putting yourself on ignore: I'm certainly glad I have never had to put anyone on ignore. Jay H. took it upon themselves to stop posting, so I never had to!!!

I'm pretty sure Jay H. will be very angry with my humor... Oh...to...the...well.

Can we get a poll started to tell how many of us prefer the preachy ending of the movie compared to those who didn't? That would be a fun thing, wouldn't it?

[LanceL]

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Obviously a water torpedo fish. Accentuated with CGI in order to heigten the palate.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

It's a Sea Enema, the less popular relative of the Sea Anemone.

[JTKenobi]

Does the digital code that comes with the 4k version include both the Theatrical + Special Editions?

PS - Sorry, I am sure this is in here somewhere, but I couldn't find it within the several last pages. Tks in advance!

[Infallible Presence]

Originally Posted by JTKenobi

Does the digital code that comes with the 4k version include both the Theatrical + Special Editions?

PS - Sorry, I am sure this is in here somewhere, but I couldn't find it within the several last pages. Tks in advance!

The code includes both, however I think only the FAH has the Special Edition in 4K.

[JTKenobi]

Originally Posted by Infallible Presence

The code includes both, however I think only the FAH has the Special Edition in 4K.

What's 'FAH'?
This is interesting, because I was about to redeem my code in Movies Anywhere (haven't actually redeemed) and it shows 'Sign in to redeem: The Abyss, 2h 20m'. No mention of both versions and 2h 20min refers only to the Theatrical version. I'd hate to redeem here and find out I should have redeemed elsewhere for both.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

Originally Posted by JTKenobi

What's 'FAH'?
This is interesting, because I was about to redeem my code in Movies Anywhere (haven't actually redeemed) and it shows 'Sign in to redeem: The Abyss, 2h 20m'. No mention of both versions and 2h 20min refers only to the Theatrical version. I'd hate to redeem here and find out I should have redeemed elsewhere for both.

Fandango At Home = FAH
Formerly VUDU.

I hate it when Digital Streaming Platforms only offer one cut with code redemption when the disc includes them.

And when they do include multiple cuts, only the Theatrical Cut is provided in 4K HDR, whenever applicable.

Boo!

[JTKenobi]

Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

Fandango At Home = FAH
Formerly VUDU.

I hate it when Digital Streaming Platforms only offer one cut with code redemption when the disc includes them.

And when they do include multiple cuts, only the Theatrical Cut is provided in 4K HDR, whenever applicable.

Boo!

Duh! Still 'Vudu' in my brain.
So just to clarify, should I redeem in FAH to get both versions or are both MA or FAH ok to get both?

[Infallible Presence]

Originally Posted by JTKenobi

Duh! Still 'Vudu' in my brain.
So just to clarify, should I redeem in FAH to get both versions or are both MA or FAH ok to get both?

I redeemed mine on Movies Anywhere.