Screenshot Comparisons 4K

[Kolkusz]

Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse SDR vs HDR comparison

HDR screenshots, in order to view them correctly on Windows, you must use a Chromium browser with Windows HDR enabled, and the brightness slider set to the value of 31.

[fkid]

The comparison below is meant to be viewed in HDR mode on an HDR display.

LA HAINE - 1995 - PQ - BFI GBR UHD BLU-RAY VS. CRITERION USA UHD BLU-RAY +FEL [33]

[jpilla415]

Forgot to post these two here:

Thunderball (1965)

WB UHD vs MGM BD

https://slow.pics/c/qiTv7lSm

Tone mapped to SDR @ 125 nits. Colors and luminance are not representative.

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You Only Live Twice (1967)

WB UHD vs MGM BD

https://slow.pics/c/B9ytBOFI

Tone mapped to SDR @ 125 nits. Colors and luminance are not representative.

[TbeRw01]

Poor Things 2023

1080pBD vs KALEIDESCAPE vs Movies Anywhere vs Disney+ vs Amazon vs iTunes.

https://slow.pics/c/skNSEG29

*HDR screenshot, must be viewed on supported browsers Chrome, Edge, Opera...

[PonyoBellanote]

Where the hell does that Kailedoscope screencaps come from? Considering the DRM is heavy on that sh*t.

[SCS_Shoug]

Originally Posted by TbeRw01

Poor Things 2023

1080pBD vs KALEIDESCAPE vs Movies Anywhere vs Disney+ vs Amazon vs iTunes.

https://slow.pics/c/skNSEG29

*HDR screenshot, must be viewed on supported browsers Chrome, Edge, Opera...

That's incredibly odd, the K-scape encode kinda fluctuates in quality between different caps. Sometimes it shows much more grain than the BD, other times a bit less, sometimes the grain is more or less pronounced than the WEB-DLs.

[TbeRw01]

Without Remorse 2021:

Amazon vs 1080pBD vs KALEIDESCAPE:
https://slow.pics/c/LvMQU67Q


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Let's be Cops:

KALEIDESCAPE vs 1080pBD
https://slow.pics/c/qobG5FIL

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Gone Girl:

KALEIDESCAPE vs 1080pBD vs MA
https://slow.pics/c/LU1l0erj

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This is the end:

KALEIDESCAPE vs 1080pBD vs MA
https://slow.pics/c/UOv5xnNV

[aladdin123]

Please upload screenshots of the Kaleidescape version of Lawrence of Arabia, which is 4K SDR.

[TbeRw01]

Originally Posted by aladdin123

Please upload screenshots of the Kaleidescape version of Lawrence of Arabia, which is 4K SDR.

I just got my Kaleidescape Strato E, so I'm focusing on movies I like for now (yeah, I like stupid movies), but once I'm done, I'll have a look.

[SCS_Shoug]

I'd love to see Independence Day and Star Trek 2009 comparisons, since those ones are rather infamous for their poor encodes on UHD due to being VERY early discs. And with you having a Strato E I'm guessing it means you're just doing direct captures from your Strato for this?

[asacmurr]

Originally Posted by TbeRw01

I just got my Kaleidescape Strato E, so I'm focusing on movies I like for now (yeah, I like stupid movies), but once I'm done, I'll have a look.

Do you think you'll do Heat?

[TbeRw01]

Originally Posted by SCS_Shoug

I'm guessing it means you're just doing direct captures from your Strato for this?

yes lossless HDMI capture.

[TbeRw01]

Originally Posted by asacmurr

Do you think you'll do Heat?

maybe...

[SCS_Shoug]

Originally Posted by TbeRw01

yes lossless HDMI capture.

Figured, since there's no Dolby Vision and the initial ones were all SDR, and I KNOW for a fact it's not that hard to bypass HDCP 2.3 and capture HDR10 lossless. It's the best we'll have until 10 years from now when K-scape goes under and people finally crack their DRM.

[TbeRw01]

Originally Posted by SCS_Shoug

Figured, since there's no Dolby Vision and the initial ones were all SDR, and I KNOW for a fact it's not that hard to bypass HDCP 2.3 and capture HDR10 lossless. It's the best we'll have until 10 years from now when K-scape goes under and people finally crack their DRM.

I don't think they use stronger or different DRM than any typical streaming website or device.

The real issue is that the store is accessible only through very expensive players, and no one wants to risk those devices getting blacklisted.

[Kool-aid23]

Originally Posted by TbeRw01

...The real issue is that the store is accessible only through very expensive players, and no one wants to risk those devices getting blacklisted.

Thanks for sharing. What is your impression on Kal. implementation of Dolby Vision? They encode using a different profile than 4k blu-ray disc.

[TbeRw01]

Originally Posted by Kool-aid23

Thanks for sharing. What is your impression on Kal. implementation of Dolby Vision? They encode using a different profile than 4k blu-ray disc.

So far, some of the HDR10/DV titles (Mad Max, The Accountant, The Last of Us) I tested were pretty bad and disappointing: washed-out colors, raised blacks, incorrect brightness, and worse compression than the Blu-ray Disc. You can read about my first experience with it here.

Then I tested Poor Things (a mixed bag) and Without Remorse (pretty good).
So maybe I just got unlucky with my first three titles, but I definitely expected more for the price tag. Even until recently, they had many DV releases with incorrect colors, so they don’t seem very good and clearly lack quality control, but at least they listen to us and are open to fixing the problems we find.

As for the DV implementation, they use Profile 5, which offers the same quality as Profile 7 because DVP5 uses a more efficient color space that equals about 11.5-bit YCbCr, while P7 FEL is 12-bit YCbCr, but in the end, it doesn’t matter, and there won’t be any visible difference on our 10-bit TVs.

Their SDR is solid and accurate across all the titles I’ve checked... Just did Bad Teacher, and it’s a great upgrade.

P.S. I won’t be posting everything I check here, but you can follow my screenshot comparison Excel sheet here.

sorry for my English...

[jpilla415]

Jurassic Park (1993)

New UHD (Base Layer) vs New UHD (Base Layer + FEL) vs HDR10 Only UHD

https://slow.pics/c/iwlCLSXa

Tone mapped to SDR @ 125 nits. Colors and luminance are not representative.

[Cvalda]

Originally Posted by jpilla415

Jurassic Park (1993)

New UHD (Base Layer) vs New UHD (Base Layer + FEL) vs HDR10 Only UHD

https://slow.pics/c/iwlCLSXa

Tone mapped to SDR @ 125 nits. Colors and luminance are not representative.

Oh wow, have they really finally fixed the hideous pink tint that has plagued this title forever on home video?

Edit: nope, guess not, the first couple caps look greener but that's it

[SCS_Shoug]

Originally Posted by TbeRw01

So far, some of the HDR10/DV titles (Mad Max, The Accountant, The Last of Us) I tested were pretty bad and disappointing: washed-out colors, raised blacks, incorrect brightness, and worse compression than the Blu-ray Disc. You can read about my first experience with it here.

Then I tested Poor Things (a mixed bag) and Without Remorse (pretty good).
So maybe I just got unlucky with my first three titles, but I definitely expected more for the price tag. Even until recently, they had many DV releases with incorrect colors, so they don’t seem very good and clearly lack quality control, but at least they listen to us and are open to fixing the problems we find.

As for the DV implementation, they use Profile 5, which offers the same quality as Profile 7 because DVP5 uses a more efficient color space that equals about 11.5-bit YCbCr, while P7 FEL is 12-bit YCbCr, but in the end, it doesn’t matter, and there won’t be any visible difference on our 10-bit TVs.

Their SDR is solid and accurate across all the titles I’ve checked... Just did Bad Teacher, and it’s a great upgrade.

P.S. I won’t be posting everything I check here, but you can follow my screenshot comparison Excel sheet here.

sorry for my English...

That"s pretty disappointing, I was hoping the more smushy grain on some K-Scape encode caps you posted was just from re-encoding or something but it's unfortunate that it's just a problem with them. They handle all the encodes themselces so I suppose it's not durprising they'd tinker with them.