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Old 07-09-2018, 07:02 PM   #981
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If someone could do Hacksaw Ridge and Zero Dark Thirty, that would be nice.
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:16 PM   #982
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If someone could do Hacksaw Ridge and Zero Dark Thirty, that would be nice.
I can do both and took note. I've seen Hacksaw done by someone else (lost on screenshotcomparison.com of course) which is why it isn't on the top of my list and I at least did caps of Zero myself which generated massive interest back then: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=350 So maybe make do with those for now.

Next will be Suspiria IT UHD-BD vs. Synapse BD which will require some "tidying up" resp. time (I took too many caps ...), some comments and a careful choice of words (which isn't exactly my area of expertise when I consider sth to be an objective fact).
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SDR from 1080p Blu-ray Disc vs SDR Converted from HDR from 4K-UHD Blu-ray Disc

















To me the latter of each pair of images looks better. They have brighter highlights and deeper blacks, and subsequently much better contrast. Their colors are also much more vibrant.
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To me the latter of each pair of images looks better. They have brighter highlights and deeper blacks, and subsequently much better contrast. Their colors are also much more vibrant.
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I don't know if there was already a comparison posted somewhere, probably, but what the heck.

This seems to have gotten a bit of a bad rap, I think it looks great. Sure you need a completely dark room to appreciate it, but I don't know why you would watch a movie like this any other way. A lot of the murkiness is due to the cinematography, actors are not really lit to stand out from the backgrounds, and often there's not a lot of fill light. While the midrange on the BD is a tad brighter and you can see faces a bit more clearly this comes at a cost of losing atmosphere; in a properly dark room I think the gamma on the UHD makes more sense. The UHD absolutely murders the BD on the street scenes with lots of colorful lights, and reveals an additional layer of fine detail.

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This is the most extensive one I'v ever done (and will ever do I guess) and I do hope that it will be viewed at least by some, since it really was a lot of work.

Focus is actually more on TLE vs. Synapse instead of UHD-BD vs. BD (which is also the reason why there are so many caps). I am well aware of the fact that the comparison is slightly unfair in this regard though - but there's nothing I can do about that.

As I said before, I really value both works. I do prefer the TLE though and you will (of course) notice that when reading my comments. I do give my reasons for preferring the TLE though and some of those reasons are also rather objective ones imho. You still don't have to agree with me of course - prefer whatever version you want. But please don't tell me which version "is best". Thx. There are two great versions now. Be happy.

I won't make any claims as to which version is more accurate, quite often it will be rather clear what I think though, especially when I point out things that I consider to be actual pq issues. If you can't handle me preferring the TLE, maybe better don't read it at all.

One more comment in general: What I noticed quite a lot when doing the caps, is the Synapse having considerably less print damage. You'll also see that in a lot caps. Whenever it was the case, I didn't hesitate to use the according frames illustrating the damage on the TLE. So Synapse really did a great job in that regard (not saying that TLE did a bad one mind you). So credit where credit is due: Synapse really is best in that regard imo. Examples: #20 and #94 (the latter maybe being the "best" example).

Because of the many caps (it's 130, yeah I know), I didn't do the whole screenshotcomparison thingy this time. It would've been a little pointless without thumbs and comments anyway. I did a very small one with a few selected caps though and tried to pick some of the caps that I consider to be mouse-over-worthy. The according caps are: 59, 89, 93, 95, 110 and 120. I also added according caps of my IT BD below for comparison purposes. Point being: If you don't see anything upgrade-worthy in those, I guess you may just want to stick with your (German or UK) BD TLE version. There are other examples as well and I often mentioned a note-worthy detail increase.

I really tried to cover the whole movie, so here you go. (And I think it may be worth it to go through it all (the thumbs/comments that is) - also because there's still plenty of interesting stuff towards the end.)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/116990

Synapse BD (upscaled) left, IT UHD-BD right:

1.


2. Synapse looking "too hot":


3. TLE could use a little more contrast:


4. blown out highlights on the car headlights (discussed to death before):


5. blown out highlights on the car again:


6. and blown out highlights once more; I for one also prefer the dynamic range and colors of the TLE in this scene:


7. very much prefer the better contrast of the Synapse here even though the UHD has its benefits as well (but that's unfair):


8. first case of the "blue-less" TLE; matter of taste; I really like it and the look is very consistent throughout:


9.


10. UHD being much more refined:


11. very much prefer the contrast of the Synapse here again:


12. very much prefer the contrast/colors of the TLE here:


13.


14. noticable uptick in detail:


15. Synapse being extremely boosted which actually leads to clipped greens here imho; really don't like it at all and imho there's really no way that this can be accurate:


16. Synapse looking really ugly to me in this scene; it's also blowing out highlight detail again (the lightbulb is basically gone in the 3rd cap at the latest):


17.


18.


19. very much prefer the warmer look of the TLE; the Synapse also having slightly crushed blacks:


20. print damage on the TLE


21. Synapse being too boosted for my liking again:


22. Synapse being "too black" again imo:


23. and no doubt about black crush/contrast boost on the Synapse in this scene:


24. black crush AND boosted/clipped reds:


25. and consistently so:


26. until they maybe forgot to apply it, since the black levels are almost identical here:


27. with this one, I initially just wanted to show the boosted/clipped reds, but the whole scene is an interesting one:


28. much better dynamic range on the TLE (almost seems like comparing a SDR converted HDR UHD to a BD to me):


29. - 33. next is a picture series to show the difference between the two releases properly (Synapse first row; UHD second row; the first 3 frames are gap free);
what I noticed in motion here is that the Synapse goes purple here in exactly one frame; it starts slightly purple already, goes "full purple" for just one frame and after that is just boosted compared to the TLE;
I, again, prefer the TLE which has the more "natural" lighting here in my book:





34. and the Synapse being completely blown out at the end of this shot (again, looking almost like HDR vs SDR):


35. boosted Synapse plus I really prefer the skin tones on the TLE:


36. boosted Synapse again and losing detail because of it on the right (the red pattern is basically gone):


37. UHD destroying the Synapse imho (the skin tones being a matter of taste though):


38. and again, very much prefer the lighting/contrast/colros/everything of the TLE:


39. the Synapse is really way too hot for my liking in this scene (next 5 caps); colors are there on the TLE as well, but the Synapse just overdoes things imho, especially with the red lighting:


40.


41. this part of the scene looks particularly bad to me (the red skin):


42. UHD looking great here btw:


43. and this looks particularly bad to me on the Synapse as well (the faces):


44. I for one again very much prefer the TLE in the next two; better dynamic range and simply less boosted look;
also, blown out detail in the yellow area in the first one on the Synapse:


45. "lack" of blue on the TLE:


46. the infamous "where's the blue?" scene and I can understand that people might be missing the blue, but I for one very much prefer the more nuanced colors of the TLE (and as I said before: it is very consistent in doing what it does):


47.


48. Synapse simply looking more ugly to me color-wise in this scene (next 3 caps) and also completely blowing out highlight detail again at times (the lamp almost becomes white):


49.


50. "white lamp" on the Synapse:


51. the sleeping hall scene (with the lights still on) looks very ugly "whiteish" (incl. purple) and contrast-boosted on the Synapse to me; also very nice detail improvement with the UHD here:


52. plus "too black" and (IMO) ugly skin tones:


53. actually better contrast on the TLE here and this scene (next three shots) also has much better colors on the TLE imho:


54. just look at the nightdresses or the hair in the next two - all kinda greyish on the Synapse, much better preserved colors on the TLE:


55.


56. the red cross on the dog looking oddly boosted/pinkish on the Synapse (and in case one wants to argue: the Synapse matches the color of the TLE in shot #65 EDIT: and in #12 as well already):


57. contrast boosting on the Synapse:


58. odd red cross color again and the UHD smashing the BD here (it's all relatively, so relax) (#3 IT-BD upscaled):


59. contrast boosting and crushed detail on the Synapse again; much better colors and more detail on the TLE/UHD:


60. bavarian folk dance hall going Saturday Night Fever on the Synapse and just looking off imho:


61. by no means extreme, but still noticable, UHD detail increase here (next two):


62.


63. think I actually find the colors of the Synpase more fitting here:


64. nice UHD improvement here:


65. I said I'd get back to the odd red cross color, and here we are, and it's basically the same color now (I know it's night now, but still, seriously):


66. the "white guys" looking very distracting/off/boosted on the Synapse:


67. kudos to the Synapse for really looking extremly good here when compared to the UHD - seriously, really just a great looking BD:


68. very much prefer the colors of the TLE here (next 3) again (skin tones, "lack" of purple) - everyone's free to disagree with me of course:


69.


70.


71.


72. really rather bad black crush on the Synapse in this part of the scene (and the UHD also being more refined at the wall for ex):


73.


74. Synapse looking really way too hot in this scene again; really, it's just too much with the green in this scene (and again, I really cannot believe this to be accurate);
I was also surprised by the Synapse (for whatever reason) having the warmer skin tones here for a change (where imho pale does suit better):


75.


76. Synapse going white with the lightbulb:


77.


78. and Synapse goes the pale route again (skin tones):


79. Synapse, again, being ever so slightly too hot for my liking:


80. subtle, but still noticable UHD improvement in this close-up:


81. another infamous "where's the blue?" scene, but I really like the look of the TLE:


82. with this part of the scene in particular, I like how on the TLE you're getting "the blue" only with the opening of the door which gives a really nice effect that just isn't there with the Synapse imo, since everything is bathed in blue there in the first place:


83. I also prefer the more nuanced/better preserved colors on the TLE again; the TLE on the other hand would benefit from a little more contrast at times here (next 4 caps) (which is also just my opinion of course):


84.


85.


86.


87.


88. nice little uptick in detail here (#3 IT-BD upscaled):


89. and here again:


90. and again - this whole scene (as I said quite often before) also has much "better" (as in I very much prefer it) colors/skin tones throughout on the TLE:


91.


92.


93. UHD (relatively) smashing the BD here (#3 IT-BD upscaled):


94. and the best example of the Synapse having really much less print damage (aka none) in the last frame of the same shot:


95. UHD again with a very nice uptick in detail in this aerial shot (#3 IT-BD upscaled):


96.


97. more detail on the window (due to Synapse being boosted imo):


plenty of differences in the bat scene (I think I mentioned all of them before somewhere):

98. notice the difference with the red wall and the shadows here - I prefer the TLE:


99. consistent "lack" of blue on the TLE again:


100. "lack" of red on the Synapse:


101. "lack" of purple on the TLE:


102. and I'm kinda missing the purple on the foot on the Synapse in the next shot for consistency (the shoe still kinda has it):


103. TLE again being completely devoid of any purple and the Synapse of yellow:


104. consistent "lack" of da blue (and kinda purple) on the TLE again in this scene (next 2 caps); I said it before, I'll say it again: I get it, if people prefer the blue version, but the TLE does look very nice to me and it has a very consistent look:


105.


106. if one wants to argue that the TLE is lacking blue, one might also argue that the Synapse is lacking some green in this scene:


107. Synapse looking too hot to my eyes again:


108. "lack" of yellow on the Synapse in this scene (next two caps), and the wood really looks too "normal" to me here on the Synapse:


109.


110. nice little uptick in detail and more "pop" on the TLE (#3 IT-BD upscaled):


111. slightly more pop (red) on the TLE again:


112. UHD being an ahole reg. filmic look (both look very nice though):


113.


114. another very interesting one; with the Synapse everything's just blue while the TLE is blue as well, but doesn't "paint" Suzy blue as well - both versions have sth here imo, the Synapse having a little "weird effect" when blue Suzy is walking in front of the blue background though (which may or may not be intentional):


115. "lack" of blue on the TLE, "lack" of yellow on the Synapse:


116. "lack" of green on the Synapse (the curtain):


117. "lack" of da purple on the TLE (again: consistently so):


118. prefer the warmer/less yellow-green look of the Synapse here:


119. crushed detail on the yellow window on the Synapse:


120. nice little uptick in detail (#3 IT-BD upscaled):


121. black crush on the Synapse (and more detail on the UHD):


122. black crush on the Synapse again; also, the pattern of the dress of the lovely lady on the chair is basically gone on the Synapse:


123. TLE/UHD preserving more detail:


124. more (intense) green on the TLE (and I prefer the look in general):


125. very much prefer the color/contrast and lack of purple/pink of the TLE again; TLE/UHD also retains more detail on Suzy again:


126. green (and more intense) flash on the TLE vs. yellow flash on the Synapse:


127. really slightly problematic, boosted scene on the Synapse - look at the blue on the floor and the blue cupboard:


128. and it's even worse in the next frame, which seems to be a problematic frame in general, but the Synapse makes it worse by what it's doing with the blues (and I noticed this in motion):


129.


130. (#3 Synapse Italian version)


If you made it that far: Thanks for your time!

Last edited by andreasy969; 04-25-2019 at 07:31 PM. Reason: moved IT BD cap #91 to the according comparison; added end credits caps (Synapse in English and Italian); added caps #52 and #59 (forgot those intially)
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:07 PM   #987
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Synapse is more accurate in terms of colors.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:43 PM   #988
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Worth noting that the TLE restoration has higher quality end credits and they have also fixed this awkward cross-cut (if that's the correct term):

From left to right: Synapse, negative scan, TLE
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Stellar work Andreas!
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Appreciate the very detailed comparison.

Still, disagree with you though...

I accept the comments on boosting/crush, but it's fairly minor, and the colours and overall contrast looks much better on the Synapse.
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Honestly I'm half and half on it. The Synapse looks a bit "old fashioned", for want of a better description, what with that crazy nuked contrast, strong pink bias and clipping colour (and I'm not just saying that now because of these caps, I said the same stuff in the main movie forum thread e.g. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...1#post14516481 and have compared the two discs with my own eyes: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...1#post14545411) but then it's very likely that a print would be skewed in some of those directions, particularly when it comes to contrast blowing out like that.

It just that in doing so the Synapse looks a bit too conspicuously boosted in the video domain (also what I mean by "old fashioned") and not something that's entirely organic to its filmic origins. All video versions are a revision of sorts, natch, and although the TLE doesn't have the ker-azy colours that Tovoli wanted it's got a more film-like sheen to it which really does make it more pleasing to me as a result. As I said in the linked posts the TLE isn't turned up to 11 right from the start so when the colours pop they seem to have so much more impact. The TLE just needs a bit more blue here and there, the reds and greens look GREAT but the blue is sorely lacking.
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I've never seen Suspiria.

Is it worth importing on UHD?
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Worth noting that the TLE restoration has higher quality end credits and they have also fixed this awkward cross-cut (if that's the correct term):

From left to right: Synapse, negative scan, TLE
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Good point - I included one of the Italian version now. (Think I'll also add another one of the English version.)

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Appreciate the very detailed comparison.

Still, disagree with you though...

I accept the comments on boosting/crush, but it's fairly minor, and the colours and overall contrast looks much better on the Synapse.
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I've never seen Suspiria.

Is it worth importing on UHD?
Yes, I think it is. The story is rather silly of course, but it's all about the style. (Jessica Harper also is a cutie imo and worth watching as well.)
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You'll either love it, or hate it. There is no middle ground. I'd rather cut my own balls off, than subject myself to it again.
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You'll either love it, or hate it. There is no middle ground. I'd rather cut my own balls off, than subject myself to it again.
Once you have seen Welcome to New York (2014) even Adam Sandler films seem like precision works of art.
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(Think I'll also add another one of the English version.)
Just did.
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Literally no increase in detail in the 4K transfer (2K DI) and the 1080p transfer. Wow, I never bothered to compare the transfers of 2K DIs across the two formats; without HDR, 2K DIs on UHD Blu-ray are ripoffs.

From FHD Blu-ray:


From UHD Blu-ray:


I know that the colors are muted in the second UHD, but that's due to the HDR being converted to SDR. Don't mind it.
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??? Ummm I see A LOT more refined details and texture. Look at the pores on The Rock's head, more pronounced on the UHD. His braided necklace is sharper. The texture on his shirt, on the blu-ray looks pretty fuzzy, whereas the texture on the UHD you can see more of the threading.

His neck also has a ton more texture on the UHD versus the BD.

And with that, I think I will swing by the store to pick this movie up! Looks impressive enough.
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His neck also has a ton more texture on the UHD versus the BD.
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Looks impressive enough.
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