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[batman2000]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

why do you hate hdr?

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by Opips3

his likes original it

what?

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by Opips3

Oh well. Don't add more specifications on a movie. His favour originally movie.

what are you talking about you make no sense?

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Opips3

Oh well. Don't add more specifications on a movie. His favour originally movie.

Originally Posted by batman2000

what are you talking about you make no sense?

Oh, well. He doesn't want to add unnecessary features to a movie - he favors the movie as it was originally released - without HDR.

There's your translation. I'm quite fluent in Opips - after English and Spanish.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Opips3

HAHAHHA! I can't explain you why his hate HDR.....l like to stupid question.

Why are you smoker? Why Kids hate banana?

::chortles:: I truly cannot explain to you why he hates High Dynamic Range - I just get a hearty laugh out of answering stupid questions.

Why do you smoke, for example? Or rather, why do children hate bananas?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by batman2000

why do you hate hdr?

I don't like it changing theatrical colour timing on films that were not shot with HDR in mind, so anything pre 2014 really.
It's revisionism pure and simple.
Now watch someone say "but Blu cannot replicate the full range of theatrical presentation"

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I don't like it changing theatrical colour timing on films that were not shot with HDR in mind, so anything pre 2014 really.
It's revisionism pure and simple.
Now watch someone say "but Blu cannot replicate the full range of theatrical presentation"

Heh...even the current state of theatrical presentation can't apparently replicate the full range of theatrical presentation, if one has the near-miraculous powers of HDR in mind. I dunno how we coped for the last century or so, watching all this SDR crap...

[edit] Oh, and before someone (and I know exactly who ) chimes in with some BS like "You'd never have wanted them to change to color from black and white, then? " the point is more that shit happens, and when new content is actually MADE for these new standards going forward then that's not a problem. It's the potential retrofits to historical SDR content without the benefit of the filmmaker's guiding hand (oh, sorry Mr Delegate, I didn't see you there!) that bother me. People say HDR is the biggest thing since colour, well, then it stands to reason that forced HDR regrades could end up being as sacrilegious (to some) as colourisation was to B&W, no?

Yeah, people can waffle on about the "range that's on the negative" all they want but the point is we weren't ever meant to SEE the negative get projected, did we? We got a timed positive record with a couple of dupes on top which put the gamma, colour, contrast etc into its intended context, and it's maintaining that intended context within some kind of ballpark which concerns me.

Still, that original context seems to get thrown out of the window by certain filmmakers when they get the chance to supervise a new restoration from the negative using modern tools anyway (Cameron/Mann, dat blue/green/teal), so all my kvetching doesn't matter a damn, does it?

[I KEEL YOU]

Looks like this HDR stuff is 21st century's answer to colorization of older black and white movies to please people who couldn't stand to watch black and white movies, even though that's how they were.

[JJ]

I think I need to do more research into HDR. Now that I think about it, for how good I think it looks, I've no idea how the process works.

Is it image data added during postprocessing?

Is it just image data filmed, but previously unable to be shown?

For now, my viewpoint is, if the people involved in the production of the movie - colorist, cinematographer, or director, etc - are involved in making the HDR grade, I'm all for it.

I still don't know how I'd feel about retroactively applying it - pending my research and whatever answers I'll find on Google. Where's an Insider when you need one?

[dvdboy]

Isn't DCI P3 a form of HDR?

I mean, it does have more colour 'definition' than rec-709 right?

IS it not possible to put DCI P3 10bit onto a UHD Blu-ray without 'revising' the grade?

[Coenskubrick]

I kind of feel like the reason I'd want HDR most is just to be able to see a lot of detail in night scenes but make it really hard to see, like for horror. To be able to have a shadow moving in the blackness, just visible, rather than crushed. That sort of thing.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by JJ

I think I need to do more research into HDR. Now that I think about it, for how good I think it looks, I've no idea how the process works.

Is it image data added during postprocessing?

Is it just image data filmed, but previously unable to be shown?

For now, my viewpoint is, if the people involved in the production of the movie - colorist, cinematographer, or director, etc - are involved in making the HDR grade, I'm all for it.

I still don't know how I'd feel about retroactively applying it - pending my research and whatever answers I'll find on Google. Where's an Insider when you need one?

Every time I try 'splainin' it to someone I get shot down so yeah, you'd better stick your thumb out and hope an Insider passes by.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdboy

Isn't DCI P3 a form of HDR?

I mean, it does have more colour 'definition' than rec-709 right?

IS it not possible to put DCI P3 10bit onto a UHD Blu-ray without 'revising' the grade?

I'll leave your first two questions because of dat minefield as to what HDR actually is/does (see above post), but as to the last: the UHD spec includes 709 SDR, 2020 SDR and 2020 HDR formats, all encoded 10-bit for either 1080p or 2160p. So, "YES, it's possible" is what I'm saying.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Every time I try 'splainin' it to someone I get shot down so yeah, you'd better stick your thumb out and hope an Insider passes by.

Wait, Geoff! I'm one of the reasonable types around here! At the very least, PM me an explanation, if you feel so inclined.

[Geoff D]

I don't mean "shot down" as anything on the part of the person I'm replying to, I mean that there really are people better qualified to answer that question and I'll just make a fool of myself if I go there again. Best wait for the professionals to chime in.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by dvdboy

Isn't DCI P3 a form of HDR?

I mean, it does have more colour 'definition' than rec-709 right?

IS it not possible to put DCI P3 10bit onto a UHD Blu-ray without 'revising' the grade?

DCI P3 is the colour space, it has nothing to do with HDR (even though it's true HDR requires wide color gamut. so 10-bit P3 at least)

Yes, is possible to use the SDR grading, but they won't because HDR is the main selling point of these discs....

[dvdboy]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

DCI P3 is the colour space, it has nothing to do with HDR (even though it's true HDR requires wide color gamut. so 10-bit P3 at least)

Yes, is possible to use the SDR grading, but they won't because HDR is the main selling point of these discs....

So that comes back to everything 'legacy' based being re-graded to HDR?

I was obviously confused in thinking the wider colour gamut of P3, alongside the higher pixel accuracy (10bit) would mean that we could *at least* get masters of classic films closer to their cinema presentations - assuming 35mm presentations have been 'converted' to DCI packages.

Surely re-grading for HDR is going to increase the cost of putting older titles out for smaller labels...

[Opips3]

I hard idiot explain to Batman2000 doesn't knows mean original movie.

Not did add HDR on original. Batman2000 knew!!

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by dvdboy

So that comes back to everything 'legacy' based being re-graded to HDR?

YES.

35mm film can be "HDR" potentially, but NO movie before 2014 has ever been meant to be seen in what today they call "HDR".

[James Freeman]

Opips.. special member indeed...

Ultra HD Blu-ray format has just been born, give it some time, it has HUGE potential.
We'll see to our amazement things we never seen before in terms of color and eye-popping light range.
100 years of flat boring picture have been finally expanding and opening to today's technological abilities, it's up to the director, producer and the studios to bring it on and blow our minds.

Computer generated animation movies will be the first to show the potential of the new format with proper adaptation and utilization of the new UHD features to film quickly to follow.