Screenshot Comparisons 4K

[Hedrox]

Originally Posted by Ben_UK

I'm convinced that the Nolan Batman films could look a lot better on UHD. I know the original blu rays were terribly sharpened and overly processed, but I think I can see detail in the BD which is just sandblasted away in the UHD and I don't think all of it is "sharpening placebo detail".

https://slow.pics/c/FV0T5WXo

Yeah, because the 4K of Begins has quite a bit of DNR, particularly for closeups.

[Fendergopher]

Nolan's idea of "filmic" is apparently a print scan with DNR and cranking the teal & orange.

[ko8ebryant24]

Originally Posted by Hedrox

Can you do the first two How to Train Your Dragon, I noticed you have them. Would love to see how much of an upgrade they are.

Not sure if I still have the blu.

[ko8ebryant24]

Tonemapped 203 nits

https://slow.pics/c/jGJFXus6

[UHDLoverForever]

Originally Posted by Fendergopher

Nolan's idea of "filmic" is apparently a print scan with DNR and cranking the teal & orange.

Then how to explain that Oppenheimer looks amazing in every way? Sometimes I wonder if he even really cared about the 4K transfers of the Batman movies. Maybe he even thinks that anything but watching films on actual film prints is deep down a sin, though Tarantino gives me more of that vibe. We know, if I remember correctly, that Nolan has stated that he only really cares about the audio mixing in the very best theater systems, and the rest is whatever.

[ko8ebryant24]

The very definition of upgrade

Tonemapped 203 nits

https://slow.pics/c/GWqqylEZ

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by UHDLoverForever

Then how to explain that Oppenheimer looks amazing in every way? Sometimes I wonder if he even really cared about the 4K transfers of the Batman movies. Maybe he even thinks that anything but watching films on actual film prints is deep down a sin, though Tarantino gives me more of that vibe. We know, if I remember correctly, that Nolan has stated that he only really cares about the audio mixing in the very best theater systems, and the rest is whatever.

Because Oppie was shot on 65mm throughout (5 perf and 15 perf IMAX) while those older Nolan shows used 35mm anamorphic as the 'dialogue' format with really old Panavision glass. If it wasn't softer and less distinct already, Nolan insists on using interpositive for the transfer which removes another little tickle of high frequency information. So there's all that, then he goes and adds a load of DNR which softens the shit out of it anyway.

For someone who worships film he don't half have some very, very strange ideas about how to present it on home video.

[UHDLoverForever]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Because Oppie was shot on 65mm throughout (5 perf and 15 perf IMAX) while those older Nolan shows used 35mm anamorphic as the 'dialogue' format with really old Panavision glass. If it wasn't softer and less distinct already, Nolan insists on using interpositive for the transfer which removes another little tickle of high frequency information. So there's all that, then he goes and adds a load of DNR which softens the shit out of it anyway.

For someone who worships film he don't half have some very, very strange ideas about how to present it on home video.

The refusal to use the original negative makes sense from a purist perspective, since prints are many generations down from it. The OCN was never meant to be seen.

What is baffling is the DNR. Why use it if you love the look of film so much? Maybe Nolan only really loves the look of large-format film.

None of what anyone has said here explains, though, why Nolan bathed the Batman movies in teal and orange while not doing so for Oppenheimer.

[peppapigstan]

Originally Posted by Fendergopher

Nolan's idea of "filmic" is apparently a print scan with DNR and cranking the teal & orange.

lol sounds like Bandai when it comes to their cel anime UHDs

[ko8ebryant24]

Tonemapped 203 nits

https://slow.pics/c/catyDTVm

[barrett75]

Possessor Turbine vs Second Sight? High Tension Second Sight vs Plaion? I take the opportunity to ask...

[ko8ebryant24]

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https://slow.pics/c/Qo1pYhD1

[ko8ebryant24]

Blue
https://slow.pics/c/JV9Pguun

White
https://slow.pics/c/a9BrNQzM

Red
https://slow.pics/c/YuzuMeKS

Sorry for the repost, just wanted to consolidate all of them into one post.

[ko8ebryant24]

203 nits

https://slow.pics/c/viudH4IW

The FEL layer sometimes reduces chroma issues, other times it accentuates them, and occasionally it introduces new ones while reducing others. (https://slow.pics/c/QBrumj6m)

[ko8ebryant24]

203 nits

https://slow.pics/c/oKunjUkf

DE appears more saturated (https://slow.pics/c/opGPSvnl). I'm not sure which colors are accurate.

[Hedrox]

Originally Posted by ko8ebryant24

203 nits

https://slow.pics/c/oKunjUkf

DE appears more saturated and retains more detail (https://slow.pics/c/opGPSvnl). I'm not sure which colors are accurate.

The German releases definitely doesn't "retain more detail". There's a whole bunch of smearing and sharpening going on with it.
And I'd be inclined to think it also has a color space conversion error, because it looks waaay too saturated (greens almost pushing into blue as well) knowing Jonathan Glazer's intent with the look. But it's Leonine so I'd say they intentionally boosted it.

Would love to see a comparison with the French Blaqout disc tho.

[barrett75]

Originally Posted by ko8ebryant24

203 nits

https://slow.pics/c/viudH4IW

The FEL layer sometimes reduces chroma issues, other times it accentuates them, and occasionally it introduces new ones while reducing others. (https://slow.pics/c/QBrumj6m)

that's a weird one cos it's been years i'm reading that DV literally rescues that terrible chroma noise on BL but from these caps it doesn't seem the case at all. for sure it darkens the general look and adds some details on highlights but that's all.

[Hedrox]

Originally Posted by barrett75

that's a weird one cos it's been years i'm reading that DV literally rescues that terrible chroma noise on BL but from these caps it doesn't seem the case at all. for sure it darkens the general look and adds some details on highlights but that's all.

You mean it brightens the image, and in that second link it definitely makes the chroma noise less noticeable.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ko8ebryant24

203 nits

https://slow.pics/c/viudH4IW

The FEL layer sometimes reduces chroma issues, other times it accentuates them, and occasionally it introduces new ones while reducing others. (https://slow.pics/c/QBrumj6m)

Yeah, but the latter looks to be a fast moving shot so the chroma shite is lost in the chaos. But the FEL makes this look orders of magnitude betterer than the godawful base layer. Still not perfick as the base layer is so screwed the FEL can only do so much, but still a vast improvement IMO.

Originally Posted by barrett75

that's a weird one cos it's been years i'm reading that DV literally rescues that terrible chroma noise on BL but from these caps it doesn't seem the case at all. for sure it darkens the general look and adds some details on highlights but that's all.

See above. In motion the base layer is a tragedy. The FEL makes it plenty watchable.

[Chad Rouch]

Originally Posted by UHDLoverForever

The refusal to use the original negative makes sense from a purist perspective, since prints are many generations down from it. The OCN was never meant to be seen.

What is baffling is the DNR. Why use it if you love the look of film so much? Maybe Nolan only really loves the look of large-format film.

None of what anyone has said here explains, though, why Nolan bathed the Batman movies in teal and orange while not doing so for Oppenheimer.

I thought he used the IMAX prints for his transfers that have IMAX's DNR applied to the 35mm shots. Or am I mistaken?