Samsung 4K UHD Blu-ray Player UBD-K8500

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

WHen you go into Denon or Marantz settings, and general. They have an information screen, one for audio and one for video. They are quite accurate.

When I play a blu-ray for example, video reports 1080p/24 in and 1080p/24 out; ycbcr 444 and ycbcr 444; 8 bits and 8 bits.

UHD disc is 4k/24; BT2020; 10 bits. Roku will say 1080p/60; RGB 444; 8 bits

When I play 4K Netflix the Denon Info Display says:
1080p/24---->4K/24
I feel that is misleading because it looks as though it is a 1080 signal upconverted into 4K

[elwaylite]

You must have your Denon scaling turned on then.

If it was off it should show 1080p/24---1080p/24

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

You must have your Denon scaling turned on then.

If it was off it should show 1080p/24---1080p/24

Exactly...So with the upscaling turned off a 4K title will still be detected as 1080p/24--->1080p/24 instead of 4K/24--->4K/24...So how reliable is that??

[elwaylite]

Something is not set right IMO if you are sending a 4K title and the Denon is saying 1080p/24. Almost sounds like the player is not outputting 2160p.

If I have a 1080p blu in the Samsung, my Denon reports 2160p/24 ycbcr 444 8 bits, in and out (because I have the 8500 Rez set to auto). If I have a UHD disc in it reports 4k/24 BT2020 10 bit in and out.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Something is not set right IMO if you are sending a 4K title and the Denon is saying 1080p/24. Almost sounds like the player is not outputting 2160p.

If I have a 1080p blu in the Samsung, my Denon reports 2160p/24 ycbcr 444 8 bits, in and out (because I have the 8500 Rez set to auto). If I have a UHD disc in it reports 4k/24 BT2020 10 bit in and out.

When I use the info display on the Samsung it does say 2160

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[elwaylite]

That is because your Denon is scaling it seems. Your Denon should report accurately what is coming from the samsung, and if it says 1080p/24 and you samsung should be sending 2160p/24, something aint right.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

That is because your Denon is scaling it seems. Your Denon should report accurately what is coming from the samsung, and if it says 1080p/24 and you samsung should be sending 2160p/24, something aint right.

Bottom line is the the Denon always says 1080/24 no matter what I play. If I play something on Roku then it says 1080/60...But when it comes to 4K content it says 1080/24--->4K/24, and that is with the Denon video input set on Auto

[elwaylite]

Something is wonky then. Ill post some images of what my 2015 Marantz does when I get home.

[fatediesel]

I just ordered this player. I had planned on waiting until there are more 4K players on the market but I ordered Deadpool 4K and now feel like I have to get the hardware to play the best looking version of the film.

[ndsam]

Originally Posted by GeneD5

Be sure to enable UHD color on the tvs hdmi input you have the blu player plugged into for watching UHD blus.

Also since you're just watching 1080 content, you can try setting the output resolution on the player to 1080 to see if your tv does a better job of upscaling (just remember to set it back to 2160 after).

Thanks, I didn't think of that I'll have to see which one upscales better and see if it's a noticeable difference. I will also check that input this weekend before I watch The Revenant on UHD to see if UHD color is enabled. Like I said before it looks great as is and I've only watched TFA so far. I plan to watch The Revenant UHD this weekend and it's hard to believe that it should have an even better picture. Thanks again for the tip I appreciate it! Got a question for ya, how will I know if HDR is being utilized? Is that what enabling UHD color is for? Thanks!

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by fatediesel

I just ordered this player. I had planned on waiting until there are more 4K players on the market but I ordered Deadpool 4K and now feel like I have to get the hardware to play the best looking version of the film.

Exactly my situation.
I pre order deadpool 4k now Im heading to best buy to get the player that my store only has 2 available. Ho boy.

So this is my first post here, what are the pros and cons on this player? I will be matching this bad boy player with my also bad boy TV Samsung SUHD UN65JS9500.
Thanks

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

Exactly my situation.
I pre order deadpool 4k now Im heading to best buy to get the player that my store only has 2 available. Ho boy.

So this is my first post here, what are the pros and cons on this player? I will be matching this bad boy player with my also bad boy TV Samsung SUHD UN65JS9500.
Thanks

Cons are that if you want to have your display do the upscaling for Blu-ray's... it's a real *****. There is no "native" video output mode. Set the HDMI input on the display that will be receiving the video from the player to UHD Color mode. Make sure Deep Color on the player is turned off. The audio out defaults to PCM, so you need to switch it over to unprocessed bitstream.

As a general rule, if you don't have updated 18 Gbps certified HDMI cables, you may run into a bandwidth problem as well. If you are routing through a receiver, it better be updated for HDMI 2.0a or no HDR pass through for you, and if it doesn't have HDCP 2.2 compliant ports, HDMI one on the player must go to the display, and HDMI two goes to the receiver for audio.

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Cons are that if you want to have your display do the upscaling for Blu-ray's... it's a real *****. There is no "native" video output mode. Set the HDMI input on the display that will be receiving the video from the player to UHD Color mode. Make sure Deep Color on the player is turned off. The audio out defaults to PCM, so you need to switch it over to unprocessed bitstream.

As a general rule, if you don't have updated 18 Gbps certified HDMI cables, you may run into a bandwidth problem as well. If you are routing through a receiver, it better be updated for HDMI 2.0a or no HDR pass through for you, and if it doesn't have HDCP 2.2 compliant ports, HDMI one on the player must go to the display, and HDMI two goes to the receiver for audio.

Thanks. Yes my option will be HDMI 1 to JS9500 and HDMI 2 Receiver for audio. I'm ruining now Optical audio from tv to receiver, I guess I can't use that anymore at least for the player.
If I play a regular blue ray disc, which one will upscale better, the TV or this player?
Thanks

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

Exactly my situation.
I pre order deadpool 4k now Im heading to best buy to get the player that my store only has 2 available. Ho boy.

So this is my first post here, what are the pros and cons on this player? I will be matching this bad boy player with my also bad boy TV Samsung SUHD UN65JS9500.
Thanks

Cons:

-remote is aweful, but u can use your samsung tv remote for some commands if u want

-No native resolution pass through

-main settings can't be adjusted during any playback. You must go back to the home screen to adjust things such as resolution output.

-currently the user settings can't be adjusted unless you're watching a uhd blu ray but those settings still apply when watching apps. Contrast/color/brightness

PROS:

-fast loading

-apps all work great, Amazon has hdr now.


-picture for uhd blu ray is great but varies from disc to disc.



Overall it's a nice product for the price. I'll be upgrading to oppo later in the year though. Til then it allows me to watch all the 4k hdr goodness.

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Cons:

-remote is aweful, but u can use your samsung tv remote for some commands if u want

-No native resolution pass through

-main settings can't be adjusted during any playback. You must go back to the home screen to adjust things such as resolution output.

-currently the user settings can't be adjusted unless you're watching a uhd blu ray but those settings still apply when watching apps. Contrast/color/brightness

PROS:

-fast loading

-apps all work great, Amazon has hdr now.


-picture for uhd blu ray is great but varies from disc to disc.



Overall it's a nice product for the price. I'll be upgrading to oppo later in the year though. Til then it allows me to watch all the 4k hdr goodness.

I have the HDR Hard drive to download the 4k movie on MGO vanity. Wich one should have better quality the hard drive or the disc? For the app I think is better to use the TV one as they are the same. Not a big fan of the app thats why Im getting the player to have the 4k disc that will be a better quality than streaming with internet be a factor to play.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

I have the HDR Hard drive to download the 4k movie on MGO vanity. Wich one should have better quality the hard drive or the disc? For the app I think is better to use the TV one as they are the same. Not a big fan of the app thats why Im getting the player to have the 4k disc that will be a better quality than streaming with internet be a factor to play.

Disc is better. I'm probably just gonna sell my western digital drive.

[GeneD5]

Originally Posted by ndsam

Thanks, I didn't think of that I'll have to see which one upscales better and see if it's a noticeable difference. I will also check that input this weekend before I watch The Revenant on UHD to see if UHD color is enabled. Like I said before it looks great as is and I've only watched TFA so far. I plan to watch The Revenant UHD this weekend and it's hard to believe that it should have an even better picture. Thanks again for the tip I appreciate it! Got a question for ya, how will I know if HDR is being utilized? Is that what enabling UHD color is for? Thanks!

You're welcome!

Typically your backlight will turn all the way up and your contrast will go to 100. On my samsung 2016 ks8000 it actually notifies me with a popup saying that is is playing an HDR video which I love.

On the Amazon app, check out the pilot episode of Mad Dogs...it's free and one of my absolute favorite examples of HDR.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

I have the HDR Hard drive to download the 4k movie on MGO vanity. Wich one should have better quality the hard drive or the disc? For the app I think is better to use the TV one as they are the same. Not a big fan of the app thats why Im getting the player to have the 4k disc that will be a better quality than streaming with internet be a factor to play.

Does your receiver decode Dolby TrueHD, DTS Master Audio, Dolby Digital Plus, etc.?

If so, you want to use the apps in the player, discs for the best A/V quality, and use the HDMI cable from Port 2 to the receiver so it does the audio decoding for the best possible soundtrack quality.

The TV cannot pass lossless or higher grade lossy audio, but the player can if set to HDMI bitstream audio out (with secondary audio shut off).

Only use the optical cable from the TV if you are watching antenna based local HD channels and utilizing the TV's built-in tuner.

[elwaylite]

I never noticed, but according to AVS posting this remote works and looks to be much better than the Apple TV remote we got.

Samsung Remote AK59-00104R

$7.99 on fleabay.

[elleana]

Originally Posted by GeneD5

You're welcome!

Typically your backlight will turn all the way up and your contrast will go to 100. On my samsung 2016 ks8000 it actually notifies me with a popup saying that is is playing an HDR video which I love.

On the Amazon app, check out the pilot episode of Mad Dogs...it's free and one of my absolute favorite examples of HDR.

My TV is the 2015 JS9000.. other than backlight and contrast change any other way I can tell that its playing HDR?