Samsung 4K UHD Blu-ray Player UBD-K8500

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Doc Red, there's a marked difference between the dynamic range that was captured on *whatever* medium (especially w/ref to how it was intended to be viewed) and how that range applies to specific mastering for HDR content; one does not automatically equate to the other.

This should be put as a sticky on this forum...

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

This should be put as a sticky on this forum...

Well, as I indicated (and Geoff D acknowledged), I'm well aware of the distinction. The question is whether the available range is being utilized in the mastering of content not graded for "HDR". IMO, it's quite a shame if it isn't.

[Robert Zohn]

Just got notification that our Samsung UBD-K8500-Z/A 4K BD player allocation is scheduled for 2/17!

-Robert

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Well, as I indicated (and Geoff D acknowledged), I'm well aware of the distinction. The question is whether the available range is being utilized in the mastering of content not graded for "HDR". IMO, it's quite a shame if it isn't.

Sure, there isn't enough dynamic range or a wide enough colour space on current 8-bit 709 grades to exactly emulate the theatrical SDR finish (that's why they call it a "trim pass", I guess). BUT with 10-bit P3 seemingly being the default digital finish then the 10-bit 2020 'container' (which will hold P3) of UHD Blu should do well at getting closer to that final theatrical grade without too many compromises, and that's separate from any such HDR intervention.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Just got notification that our Samsung UBD-K8500-Z/A 4K BD player allocation is scheduled for 2/17!

-Robert

How many preorder spots do you have left?

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sure, there isn't enough dynamic range or a wide enough colour space on current 8-bit 709 grades to exactly emulate the theatrical SDR finish (that's why they call it a "trim pass", I guess). BUT with 10-bit P3 seemingly being the default digital finish then the 10-bit 2020 'container' (which will hold P3) of UHD Blu should do well at getting closer to that final theatrical grade without too many compromises, and that's separate from any such HDR intervention.

So, are UHD releases using a 10-bit (2020) grade, independent of specific HDR grading? Is this standard practice for UHD mastering (to the extent that "standard practice" yet exists)?

[Geoff D]

That would be my presumption, yes, that a 10-bit P3 grade is the minimum starting point for UHD Blu simply because that's where movies have been at for a while, although it's worth noting that the movies on Sony's current 4K download service are 8-bit 709 AFAIK.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

So, are UHD releases using a 10-bit (2020) grade, independent of specific HDR grading? Is this standard practice for UHD mastering (to the extent that "standard practice" yet exists)?

Yes, the color gamut is independent from HDR: so any UHD Blu-ray should use 10-bit P3 color space, same as the DCI specs....

HDR is something else entirely...

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Yes, the color gamut is independent from HDR: so any UHD Blu-ray should use 10-bit P3 color space, same as the DCI specs....

HDR is something else entirely...

Excellent. Thanks for the info, guys. Apologies for the digression through familiar territory.

[MisterXDTV]

actually I think DCI specs say 12-bit color for 2D playback, if I remember correctly...

[ray0414]

We have an AVS user that is a reviewer/calibrater that got his hands on a preproduction ubd-k8500 model along with uhd discs.


Unfortunately he does not have a 4k tv. But he's able to confirm that his 1080p tv does work with the 4k discs. He says improvements from using the better quality 4k discs is very apparent many times throughout the uhd discs he's watching.

He was also able to confirm atmos/dtsX still comes through on those uhd discs on his 1080p tv.

[ray0414]

Multiple people on AVS also saying that their local best buys are getting the samsung 4k players in stock but are unable to sell them yet.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by ray0414

We have an AVS user that is a reviewer/calibrater that got his hands on a preproduction ubd-k8500 model along with uhd discs.


Unfortunately he does not have a 4k tv. But he's able to confirm that his 1080p tv does work with the 4k discs. He says improvements from using the better quality 4k discs is very apparent many times throughout the uhd discs he's watching.

He was also able to confirm atmos/dtsX still comes through on those uhd discs on his 1080p tv.

Good, maybe he can also run some tests with patterns to see how the player works.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Just got notification that our Samsung UBD-K8500-Z/A 4K BD player allocation is scheduled for 2/17!

-Robert

WHOOOOO!!! Can't wait to get mine!

[Adam_ME]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Just got notification that our Samsung UBD-K8500-Z/A 4K BD player allocation is scheduled for 2/17!

-Robert

My Best Buy preorder still says 2/12. I guess I'll know in about a week if I get a shipping notice.

[Agent_DVD]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

My Best Buy preorder still says 2/12. I guess I'll know in about a week if I get a shipping notice.

I was at my local Best Buy this week and was talking to the guys in the A/V area about when the players might be arriving.... shocking (or not) they had no clue about the player even coming out.

Oh brother, that is going to help sell UHD bluray

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

How many preorder spots do you have left?

If I get our full order filled and Samsung says we are allocated so at this time we have 37 available to ship from our first allocation. We are still accepting pre-orders with the 2/17 ship date.

-Robert

[bbwiscfan]

Here's the deal; I bought a Samsung 65JU7100 this past December for a great price (we found an open box return on the floor for $1597). I went from a Samsung 50 inch 1080p Plasma to this 65 inch 4k TV. So far, I've been incredibly impressed with the up scaled blu ray movies I've been watching on this display.

I watched "The Martian" trailer on a blu ray disc of a different movie and it looked spectacular. Being just the trailer I was very excited ( I have not seen The Martian full movie yet). I was excited to try out a Samsung 4K player so I pre-ordered it along with the actual Martian movie on 4k.

I know that I will just have to judge it for myself when I actually can watch it, but with everything I'm reading online about HDR and its benefits along with added resolution I'm wondering if I can tell even before seeing it myself if it will be worth it. The JU7100 I have DOES NOT support HDR as far as I read so my question I ask everyone is WILL I NOTICE a greater improvement over what I've seen with regular blu ray's upconverted? Is HDR THAT instrumental for your display in order to enjoy the full benefits? Various people seem to have different opinions on this. I should also mention that I've also been impressed with 4k video through You Tube; this is streaming and yet my jaw managed to drop but of course, its a matter of what source was used to capture the content so I digress.


Good news is if I'm not convinced once I get the player and movie I can just return the player and keep the movie (it has a regular blu ray included) so in the end I'll be covered without monetary loss. Like I said, with how impressed I am already with regular movies on this display I'm initially skeptical about how much better 4K movies will look like.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by bbwiscfan

Here's the deal; I bought a Samsung 65JU7100 this past December for a great price (we found an open box return on the floor for $1597). I went from a Samsung 50 inch 1080p Plasma to this 65 inch 4k TV. So far, I've been incredibly impressed with the up scaled blu ray movies I've been watching on this display.

I watched "The Martian" trailer on a blu ray disc of a different movie and it looked spectacular. Being just the trailer I was very excited ( I have not seen The Martian full movie yet). I was excited to try out a Samsung 4K player so I pre-ordered it along with the actual Martian movie on 4k.

I know that I will just have to judge it for myself when I actually can watch it, but with everything I'm reading online about HDR and its benefits along with added resolution I'm wondering if I can tell even before seeing it myself if it will be worth it. The JU7100 I have DOES NOT support HDR as far as I read so my question I ask everyone is WILL I NOTICE a greater improvement over what I've seen with regular blu ray's upconverted? Is HDR THAT instrumental for your display in order to enjoy the full benefits? Various people seem to have different opinions on this. I should also mention that I've also been impressed with 4k video through You Tube; this is streaming and yet my jaw managed to drop but of course, its a matter of what source was used to capture the content so I digress.


Good news is if I'm not convinced once I get the player and movie I can just return the player and keep the movie (it has a regular blu ray included) so in the end I'll be covered without monetary loss. Like I said, with how impressed I am already with regular movies on this display I'm initially skeptical about how much better 4K movies will look like.

Samsung said at IFA in october that the JU series would recieve an hdr decoding update. So u should get a little bit of hdr playback.

[Georgiaboy04]

Originally Posted by bbwiscfan

Here's the deal; I bought a Samsung 65JU7100 this past December for a great price (we found an open box return on the floor for $1597). I went from a Samsung 50 inch 1080p Plasma to this 65 inch 4k TV. So far, I've been incredibly impressed with the up scaled blu ray movies I've been watching on this display.

I watched "The Martian" trailer on a blu ray disc of a different movie and it looked spectacular. Being just the trailer I was very excited ( I have not seen The Martian full movie yet). I was excited to try out a Samsung 4K player so I pre-ordered it along with the actual Martian movie on 4k.

I know that I will just have to judge it for myself when I actually can watch it, but with everything I'm reading online about HDR and its benefits along with added resolution I'm wondering if I can tell even before seeing it myself if it will be worth it. The JU7100 I have DOES NOT support HDR as far as I read so my question I ask everyone is WILL I NOTICE a greater improvement over what I've seen with regular blu ray's upconverted? Is HDR THAT instrumental for your display in order to enjoy the full benefits? Various people seem to have different opinions on this. I should also mention that I've also been impressed with 4k video through You Tube; this is streaming and yet my jaw managed to drop but of course, its a matter of what source was used to capture the content so I digress.


Good news is if I'm not convinced once I get the player and movie I can just return the player and keep the movie (it has a regular blu ray included) so in the end I'll be covered without monetary loss. Like I said, with how impressed I am already with regular movies on this display I'm initially skeptical about how much better 4K movies will look like.

Yeah this past summer before I picked up my JU7100. I was reading though the AVS forums about my tv and multiple people were able to play clips of HDR content so I'm hoping for the best since I already preordered the player(fingers crossed)