Samsung 4K UHD Blu-ray Player UBD-K8500

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

The last firmware (1010) really improved this player. Before, I had to use Dynamic mode to make the player look like the default/standard mode on other 4K players that I've tested. After 1010, I can use Standard mode on this player without any issues, and it looks no different than the standard mode on other players.

The only real complaint is the shitty remote, but I've gotten used to it.

They still revoked that update tho, so I'm wondering when the player will get an actual update again


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[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

They still revoked that update tho, so I'm wondering when the player will get an actual update again


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Luckily, I got it before they pulled it.

I'm still wondering if this player will get the HDR10+ update at some point. Samsung has said it may be possible.

[eddievanhalen]

What about Dolby Vision? Is it possible this Samsung player gets updated to DV? I think,it has the processing power for it but it's yet to be seen if it will. Maybe some brands like Samsung or Panasonic will not update their older players to Dolby Vision even if those players are capable, forcing us to buy new players to play Dolby Vision discs.
I don't knowmif I got all these Dolby Vision stuff well, if I play a Dolby Vision disc on my Samsung player as it is now it will only output an HDR 10 video signal that will be recognized as such and displayed as HDR 10 by my Samsung 4K HDR non-DV set. Am I right?

[Sky_Captain]

Samsung give no f***s whatsoever about DV.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

What about Dolby Vision? Is it possible this Samsung player gets updated to DV? I think,it has the processing power for it but it's yet to be seen if it will. Maybe some brands like Samsung or Panasonic will not update their older players to Dolby Vision even if those players are capable, forcing us to buy new players to play Dolby Vision discs.
I don't knowmif I got all these Dolby Vision stuff well, if I play a Dolby Vision disc on my Samsung player as it is now it will only output an HDR 10 video signal that will be recognized as such and displayed as HDR 10 by my Samsung 4K HDR non-DV set. Am I right?

Absolutely no need for them to pay Dolby for a format that would add little benefit over HDR10 on their higher end sets. They developed their own dynamic HDR format that will bring some subtle improvements (bigger for their lower end models.) So no, this player will never support DV.

[Optimus]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Absolutely no need for them to pay Dolby for a format that would add little benefit over HDR10 on their higher end sets. They developed their own dynamic HDR format that will bring some subtle improvements (bigger for their lower end models.) So no, this player will never support DV.

So Dolby will only be be beneficial for lower end sets?

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[GeneD5]

Originally Posted by Optimus

So Dolby will only be be beneficial for lower end sets?

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My understanding of Dolby vision is that it will more dynamically adjust hilights and darks, which is mostly beneficial within lower nit sets...which would include both cheaper tvs as well as very expensive OLEDS (lol). The 4k scene is all jacked up.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

... if I play a Dolby Vision disc on my Samsung player as it is now it will only output an HDR 10 video signal that will be recognized as such and displayed as HDR 10 by my Samsung 4K HDR non-DV set. Am I right?

The answer to this part of your question is YES.

HDR10 will be the base layer on these discs, and DV will be a metadata layer that can be decoded and interpolated with the HDR data to produce 12 bit 4:2:2 output to DV capable displays.

Every DV disc should be an HDR10 disc, plus the extra DV metadata layer.

Think of it like having a DTS-HDMA 7.1 sound mix with DTS-X as metadata for an AVR that can decode it to the proper speaker set-up. (or Dolby TrueHD 7.1 => Dolby Atmos).

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

What about Dolby Vision? Is it possible this Samsung player gets updated to DV? I think,it has the processing power for it but it's yet to be seen if it will. Maybe some brands like Samsung or Panasonic will not update their older players to Dolby Vision even if those players are capable, forcing us to buy new players to play Dolby Vision discs.
I don't knowmif I got all these Dolby Vision stuff well, if I play a Dolby Vision disc on my Samsung player as it is now it will only output an HDR 10 video signal that will be recognized as such and displayed as HDR 10 by my Samsung 4K HDR non-DV set. Am I right?

Only Dolby Vision players and Dolby Vision TV's will see the extra video data extension layer. Every other HDR set will see the HDR10 base layer.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by GeneD5

My understanding of Dolby vision is that it will more dynamically adjust highlights and darks, which is mostly beneficial within lower nit sets...which would include both cheaper tvs as well as very expensive OLEDS (lol). The 4k scene is all jacked up.

DV is also 12 bit, 4:2:2 rather than 10 bit, 4:2:0 according to reports, so it's not just about dynamic, per-scene metadata.

[GeneD5]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

DV is also 12 bit, 4:2:2 rather than 10 bit, 4:2:0 according to reports, so it's not just about dynamic, per-scene metadata.

Cool, thanks

[RockyIII]

Can chromecast ultra pass through DV when connected to a 4K capable AVR?

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[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Optimus

So Dolby will only be be beneficial for lower end sets?

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Mostly, yes. Even higher end ones that have some limitations.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Optimus

So Dolby will only be beneficial for lower end sets?

In theory (putting colour depth aside for a moment) Dolby Vision can provide more dynamic tone mapping as it regulates the highs and lows on a scene by scene basis and not through the entirety of the content like HDR. But Dolby Vision is mastered to a set 4,000 nits and HDR I think is 1,000 to 4,000.

The rule of thumb with tone mapping is the brighter the image the more detail you lose* and the more detail you gain means you lose peak brightness**.

*If the content is mastered at 1,000 nits and your display is only capable of 600, everything over 600 will be clipped away.

**The opposite applies with detail, the display will sacrifice brightness for detail, so the image will be dimmer to accommodate the change.

[Optimus]

Thanks guys

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[eddievanhalen]

I really hope HDR 10+ catches on, it can be a cheap, as it's open source, to improve video quality over HDR 10, but something tells me it won't be very successful as the Dolby name sales and Dolby Vision is a standard used on movie theaters and people wants to have what's use on movie theaters even if performance is not the same.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

I really hope HDR 10+ catches on, it can be cheap, as it's open source, to improve video quality over HDR 10, but something tells me it won't be very successful as the Dolby name sells and Dolby Vision is a standard used on movie theaters and people want to have what's used on movie theaters even if the performance is not the same.

I hope Dolby Vision wins because there are superior mechanisms and standards in place throughout its chain. The fees are very small compared to the overall cost to produce these pro and consumer devices.

[DVDave]

Just purchased this player. The remote is horrible. Can't see a thing in the dark. Also I can no longer goto a specific timecode under "Tools" to resume multimedia and have to spend 5 minutes fast-forwarding to get to the timecode I want. Does anybody know a way to access specific times on this model? I'm very seriously considering returning it.

[waff]

Originally Posted by DVDave

Just purchased this player. The remote is horrible. Can't see a thing in the dark. Also I can no longer goto a specific timecode under "Tools" to resume multimedia and have to spend 5 minutes fast-forwarding to get to the timecode I want. Does anybody know a way to access specific times on this model? I'm very seriously considering returning it.

When paused, push the up arrow and highlight the timeline bar, you can then type in numbers to jump to a time.

[DVDave]

Originally Posted by waff

When paused, push the up arrow and highlight the timeline bar, you can then type in numbers to jump to a time.

And press what buttons? There are no numeric buttons on the remote.