4K Movies Releases

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by ray0414

The 2016 movie lineup is LOADED with 4k masters.

Suicide squad
Independence day 2
Batman vs superman
The list goes on.

The only big name movie that have 2k masters is xmen and divergent.

Sources, please.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

Sources, please.

Imbd.com

[Scorpion Soldier]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Imbd.com

IMDB listings can also be user edited. Listings for technical info are usually only reliable post-release, and even then they're not always correct.

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by Scorpion Soldier

IMDB listings can also be user edited. Listings for technical info are usually only reliable post-release, and even then they're not always correct.

Yup. Force Awakens and Jurassic World being listed as 4K until the DCP specs came out are two recent, obvious examples.

[Geoff D]

Add Genisys, Rogue Nation and Star Wars TFA to that 'oops now it's 2K' list too. The '4K' pre-release listings on IMDB don't mean jack, and I REALLY wish people would stop treating them as gospel. But hey, it's the internet: everything we read is true. Right?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by eriaur

Story of the ball
https://vimeo.com/139812740

Director Jerome Thelia on 4K Ball-Game Documentary Bounce
http://www.studiodaily.com/2015/12/j...me-doc-bounce/

First, the International Space Station ….
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Tim-P...ail/story.html

then next, maybe Mars.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...
Bottom line to individual TV manufacturers is whether Dolby’s intelligence (content mapping) of the system and fidelity of the source input worth the price of admission…..or, will they make more profit on HDR by offering only a free, generic playback solution?

I predict that in a few years we will see a replacement for HDR10 that includes dynamic mapping data. I think that Dolby Vision is a good system but that only a small percentage of CE companies will pay a premium for a proprietary system. While I can understand why Dolby prefers making proprietary systems the CE companies prefer open standards.

Originally Posted by ray0414

Imbd.com

IMDB has a long track record of the editors making optimistic predictions and if you search this thread you will find many discussions about it.

[eriaur]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

First, the International Space Station ….
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Tim-P...ail/story.html

then next, maybe Mars.

Wow... what a Vision! T There's a starman... loved the martian, Ridley Scott still got it.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

Yup. Force Awakens and Jurassic World being listed as 4K until the DCP specs came out are two recent, obvious examples.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Add Genisys, Rogue Nation and Star Wars TFA to that 'oops now it's 2K' list too. The '4K' pre-release listings on IMDB don't mean jack, and I REALLY wish people would stop treating them as gospel. But hey, it's the internet: everything we read is true. Right?

well thats certainly a bummer. something worth keeping an eye on then.

also, how do we know that some of those titles that originally said 4k werent incorrectly edited to 2k?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by eriaur

Wow... what a Vision! T There's a starman... loved the martian, Ridley Scott still got it.

I actually held back on that reply to you until I’d watched the Stoke City v. ManU match this afternoon. Perhaps the flag from the space station inspired the Stoke players.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ray0414

well thats certainly a bummer. something worth keeping an eye on then.

also, how do we know that some of those titles that originally said 4k werent incorrectly edited to 2k?

A fair point, but the 2K theatrical DCPs that each movie received are usually evidence enough. The source DI is not always the same res as the DCP, true enough, but it generally holds true that the res of the DCP is what the movie was actually finished at. Some are higher than the corresponding DCP, like Warners' Ben Hur restoration which was at 6K or Fincher's Gone Girl which was finished at 5K, but that's only because the current DCI spec tops out at 4K AFAIK.

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

A fair point, but the 2K theatrical DCPs that each movie received are usually evidence enough. The source DI is not always the same res as the DCP, true enough, but it generally holds true that the res of the DCP is what the movie was actually finished at. Some are higher than the corresponding DCP, like Warners' Ben Hur restoration which was at 6K or Fincher's Gone Girl which was finished at 5K, but that's only because the current DCI spec tops out at 4K AFAIK.

That, and since 4K is a hot label these days, studios would be flashing the 4K sign all over the place for something like Jurassic World and Star Wars, particularly in the Dolby theaters. All we have to go on is silence and 2K DCP's. Not just to the general public, but industry publications like American Cinematographer would be talking about the 4K finish too, since it's still a notable thing.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by ray0414

The 2016 movie lineup is LOADED with 4k masters.

Suicide squad
Independence day 2
Batman vs superman
The list goes on.

The only big name movie that have 2k masters is xmen and divergent.

3d says no to all those listed

Originally Posted by Geoff D

A fair point, but the 2K theatrical DCPs that each movie received are usually evidence enough. The source DI is not always the same res as the DCP, true enough, but it generally holds true that the res of the DCP is what the movie was actually finished at. Some are higher than the corresponding DCP, like Warners' Ben Hur restoration which was at 6K or Fincher's Gone Girl which was finished at 5K, but that's only because the current DCI spec tops out at 4K AFAIK.

Correct, the master is not always the DCP res, I feel star wars and the Martian will show this

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Correct, the master is not always the DCP res, I feel star wars and the Martian will show this

Interstellar was another example.

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Interstellar was another example.

Not really.

Interstellar had a 4K DCP, which, as Geoff said, is the maximum resolution of the DCP spec.

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

Not really.

Interstellar had a 4K DCP, which, as Geoff said, is the maximum resolution of the DCP spec.

The DCP by Deluxe Digital Cinema only had a 2K res. But later on different sources, finally confirmed 4K. That is what I meant.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

The DCP by Deluxe Digital Cinema only had a 2K res. But later on different sources, finally confirmed 4K. That is what I meant.

The deluxe info was a misprint, nothing more. The DCP for Interstellar was 4K, just as it was for TDKR.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

A fair point, but the 2K theatrical DCPs that each movie received are usually evidence enough. The source DI is not always the same res as the DCP, true enough, but it generally holds true that the res of the DCP is what the movie was actually finished at. Some are higher than the corresponding DCP, like Warners' Ben Hur restoration which was at 6K or Fincher's Gone Girl which was finished at 5K, but that's only because the current DCI spec tops out at 4K AFAIK.

Yup, and when one is assessing the sharpness or detail of the final outcome of the movie, people should also note that there are several variables to the whole process to think about rather than only whether a motion picture had a *2K or 4K finish*.

Like the camera lenses and thee intended cinematographic look (e.g. some ‘2K’ motion pictures actually are sharper than some ‘4K’ motion pictures due to intentional softening/diffusion techniques used in the later by some Directors).

And you also must take into account the nuances of the workflow itself….with it all becoming even more complicated when you have for instance a motion picture consisting of a lot of vfx. For example, let's say that you have a movie captured in Arriraw (3.4K) and your final master deliverable is 2K. Say the post production involves several hundred vfx shots, but the budget doesn’t fund 3.4 vfx, only 2K vfx. One has two choices:

1. During the DI, work in 3.4 rez and scale up the vfx to that original source format and then do a 2K re-scale at the end of the finish for your master. But the bad thing about that choice is that you have to scale the vfx from 2k up to 3.4 and then back down again to get you a 2k deliverable….which means multiple re-scales.

or

2. Collapse the original source to 2k so each shot got scaled once .

Though, at the end of the day, I believe that some story telling is important enough to view and enjoy, no matter what the rez or dynamic range (SDR vs. HDR) of the deliverable……http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/...l-591709763926

because content rules. And don't think the point is exclusive to highly paid professional (NFL) athletes, for the brain message is just as important (or more) to alerting parents, grade school and high school coaches as to proper tackling techniques and concussion assessment during a game.....be it football or soccer.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...the sharpness or detail of the final outcome of the movie

Also, people tend to forget that 4K is not only about more detail….it’s about more in frame acreage too – “means you can now see the whole pitch in greater detail, all at once”….. http://www.whathifi.com/news/5-thing...sport-ultra-hd

With the analogy to motion pictures being -> better, more immersive panoramic shots as compared to HD acquisition.

[Geoff D]

It's not my head I have to worry about, more the twig-like strength of the bones in my legs.