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Old 06-11-2019, 02:53 AM   #41
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This is very exciting Robert, thanks for all you do and to all the people working with you.
I know few and they're among the best.
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:46 AM   #42
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Not this time, but it's at CE Week in the Smart House exhibit. Maybe in a future TV Shootout.

I designed and developed the TV Shootout to be about the very best TVs on the market. This year we started with 7 and now we're down to four 4K HDR series. Wish we had more models/brands like the days of PDP with far more premium and very good tier 2 companies.
Robert, which, if any, reference monitor - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post15695750

are you using?
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:48 AM   #43
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Sony BWM-X300.
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:54 AM   #44
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Yes

I just found it on YouTube. It's ready for June 12th
I am aware of who they are, sadly.
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Old 06-11-2019, 04:39 PM   #45
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Sony BWM-X300.
You know, as an adjunct to the shootout, if your sample population is large enough you may also be able to do an experiment with regards to the prevalence of metameric failure - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...m#post16491379
and maybe even get it published if you include the spectrums.

Before the audience arrives, see if your installers can agree upon what two televisions, or what television and the X300 when compared to each other, show the same colors with the wide color gamut content feeding them. Then when the shootout is over and all the ballots have been cast but not counted so as not to bias the result, inform the audience you are doing an experiment independent of the primary purpose of choosing the Best TV and simply ask the audience on a separate ballot a yes or no question as to whether they see the two televisions described above as showing the same colors, or if not, how do the colors differ?

If done right, your experiment could illustrate metamerism as Charles Poynton did last November, but with actual televisions/monitors rather than T-shirts -

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Old 06-11-2019, 04:45 PM   #46
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This is very exciting Robert, thanks for all you do and to all the people working with you.
I know few and they're among the best.
Agreed. And the build-up to this shootout should be getting more coverage on the interwebs, I mean after all, the shootout is free and Robert’s colleagues always put on a good show.

I suspect it isn’t very “news worthy” outside of Blu-ray.com because other blogs, forums, tweeter machines consider Blu-ray.com as a major competitor to their audience. Kind of similar to this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Firewall
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Old 06-11-2019, 07:04 PM   #47
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Its been a long and hard few weeks planning and preparing for our 2019 TV Shootout. But we're almost there and very excited to see our efforts come to Fruition.

Special thanks to Joel Silver Kevin Miller, John Reformato, Matt Murray of AVProStore, Brent McCall, Metra Home Theater, and my terrific staff!

Here's a few photos.




I'm glad to see Kevin Miller back.
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Old 06-11-2019, 07:10 PM   #48
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I'm glad to see Kevin Miller back.

Ditto that



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Old 06-11-2019, 09:01 PM   #49
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I did a search and it is on the Home Theater Forum and several other major sites. Last year the results were widely reported including Forbes.
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:20 PM   #50
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Here's HDGuru's article on the 2019 TV Shootout.

And here's Sound and Vision's take on the event.
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Old 06-11-2019, 10:01 PM   #51
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I did a search and it is on the Home Theater Forum and several other major sites. Last year the results were widely reported including Forbes.
You know you're big time when Forbes covers you.
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Old 06-11-2019, 10:02 PM   #52
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John Archer will be attending the 2019 TV Shootout.
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Old 06-12-2019, 12:59 AM   #53
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Here's a summary of tomorrow's agenda:

We start at 9:30am sharp.

We’re start by covering the ground rules for the day, comments, and presentations followed by demonstrations, evaluations and voting on each category.

The four main categories are:

- SDR Reference "Dark Room

- SDR Day Mode, Bright Room

- HDR Reference

- Streaming

Announcement of the results.
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Old 06-12-2019, 01:55 AM   #54
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Here's a summary of tomorrow's agenda:

We start at 9:30am sharp.

We’re start by covering the ground rules for the day, comments, and presentations followed by demonstrations, evaluations and voting on each category.

The four main categories are:

- SDR Reference "Dark Room

- SDR Day Mode, Bright Room

- HDR Reference

- Streaming

Announcement of the results.
Will you be feeding any non-HDR/WCG, non-‘4K’ source like good old fashioned cable TV channels into these TVs to see what they do with that? As the Women’s World Cup moves toward its later rounds, I’ll be watching some of that tournament on regular old cable (HD).

In other words, which TV will process suboptimal source best.
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Old 06-12-2019, 02:22 AM   #55
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We have SDR/FHD BD and some FHD/SDR streaming content for judging up-conversion, rec.709 color, 8bit, analog gamma content, but no cable content.
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Old 06-12-2019, 02:12 PM   #56
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Hope all who can't attend in person can watch the live Youtube webcast. Here's the link.
Tuned in now between meetings, more on Barten who Joel just discussed - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post15685563
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Old 06-12-2019, 02:29 PM   #57
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A short addendum (which few may be aware of) on the historical acceptance of HDR by standards organizations which Joel briefly discussed – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...m#post12602993
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1 of the expert judges noticed at halftime that the Samsung was on the wrong settings. was using the "native" color space which is not the calibrated custom space. the twice he said "how the hell did that even happen".
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I guess I am mistaken that anyone actually cares about LCD's in a shootout.
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I guess I am mistaken that anyone actually cares about LCD's in a shootout.

integrity. you should try not some time Mr Superior

the A9G will win, but let's make sure the tvs are properly setup at least.



**watching on MY oled
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