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Old 11-22-2017, 09:42 AM   #301
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Is there any confirmation that these are actual 4K remasters, or are they 2k upscales with HDR added?
They are films from the mid 2000's they had a 2k DI's
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Old 11-22-2017, 10:46 AM   #302
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Is there any confirmation that these are actual 4K remasters, or are they 2k upscales with HDR added?
2K upscales, every one of them.
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Old 11-22-2017, 11:25 AM   #303
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Nobody tell realorfake4k that, it'll spoil the placebo.
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Old 11-22-2017, 11:26 AM   #304
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2K upscales, every one of them.
Weird yellow cast on the first?
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Old 11-22-2017, 12:03 PM   #305
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Dammit, Geoff!

DotM is my favorite too, by a long shot, and I was trying to avoid purchasing it anew, but here we are!

EDIT: And they have Dolby Vision too?

Well. I'm definitely upgrading 3 and 4.
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So apparently something went fluky for the Amazon orders. Currently the page for Age of Extinction says it will be in stock on the 26th, Revenge of the fallen says the 29th and the other two have no release date. I also got an e-mail indicating an updated delivery date for the first two. It's odd.
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Dammit, Geoff!

DotM is my favorite too, by a long shot, and I was trying to avoid purchasing it anew, but here we are!

EDIT: And they have Dolby Vision too?

Well. I'm definitely upgrading 3 and 4.
DV only on knight
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DV only on knight
Don't think that's correct, simsini has confirmed that all TF UHD's are DV even though it doesn't state as such on the box. Need to update the DV thread on this info..
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Don't think that's correct, simsini has confirmed that all TF UHD's are DV even though it doesn't state as such on the box. Need to update the DV thread on this info..
I'm just going on the box that I had in front of me.
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Don't shout at me.. ... but here states TF 1-4 are real 4k:

http://realorfake4k.com/my-product/transformers/

are they wrong?
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Shout?

They are normally.
Geoff is in a better position than me as I won't touch DV
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They weren't finished on film and if they had 4K DIs there would've been some sort of news about it.
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Shout?

They are normally.
Geoff is in a better position than me as I won't touch DV
sorry that wasn't directed at you, I was cowering in anticipation of being shouted at by someone that they are not true 4K ... IMDB says 2K DI.
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Geoff is in a better position than me as I won't touch DV
Yeah. Better HDR & color quality is icky.
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Yeah. Better HDR & color quality is icky.
He has better HDR but his colour is icky?
That's a shame Dolby cannot do both colour and HDR.
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He has better HDR but his colour is icky?
That's a shame Dolby cannot do both colour and HDR.
HDR is unrelated to 12-bit color.
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Don't shout at me.. ... but here states TF 1-4 are real 4k:

http://realorfake4k.com/my-product/transformers/

are they wrong?
I was gonna mention that daft site's "information" with a withering comment in my above reply but didn't because I wanted to take a break from ragging on them. I'll indulge myself now though: that's utter horseshit. I wish that site would disappear into a hole in the ground, it's useless.
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HDR is unrelated to 12-bit color.
Didn't say it was related :sillychildimage
You said DV cannot do good colour and HDR, I said shame it cannot do both....
2 things 1 it cannot do so says you.
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I was gonna mention that daft site's "information" with a withering comment in my above reply but didn't because I wanted to take a break from ragging on them. I'll indulge myself now though: that's utter horseshit. I wish that site would disappear into a hole in the ground, it's useless.
Knew it!!
So the yellow cast on the first movie?
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Weird yellow cast on the first?
On the UHD? Nope. If anything it reverses the strong orange tinge of the regular BD.

Watched Age of Extinction, it's another darned solid UHD. The HDR is again excellent, folks might watch the movie and think "damn, there's a lot of blown-out highlights here" but when you put in the BD to compare you realise just how much more highlight information the UHD pulls back whilst still maintaining the same kind of lighting aesthetic, the 2D Blu is so "nuked" in certain scenes it's not even funny. It's not just the highlights though as the whole image benefits from the HDR pass, looking more rounded and "real", for want of a better term. Colour doesn't look as outrageously oversaturated as the BD but that's not a bad thing IMO.

For detail the UHD has a nice boost because of the nasty aliasing on the 2D Blu-ray, this is something that wasn't picked up by any reviews AFAIK but it shimmers and jags like crazy on the finest horizontal and vertical details, look at the grille of Lucas' Mini as he pulls up to the old cinema at the beginning for example, and it's there throughout the film on 1080p Blu (3D disc looks much better tho). While the UHD doesn't escape this effect completely (look at the chairs that Miss Shortpants is sleeping in when they're in the railcar, their fabric shimmers something chronic as the camera slowly pushes in), in the main those details are cleaner and more finely resolved on the UHD. There's also some banding in the opening shot of the ships approaching Earth on the BD but it looks perfect on the UHD.

As with DotM the switching between film and digital is perhaps more obvious owing to the sheer cleanliness of one vs the other, but the 35mm grain looks much tidier than it does on the BD, less noisy and coarse but still retaining that crucial filmic goodness. I've gotta say that I didn't miss the alternating aspect ratios at all, it's used so randomly that the impact of it is completely lost on me.

I'm not gonna go nuts with more photos but I wanted to show one thing that caught my eye. It's often assumed that a 2K studio upscale won't feature any more spatial detail than the actual 2K BD upscaled at home - some have more, some have less, some are about the same, it all depends on a variety of factors - but there's something else to consider: chroma resolution. The colour is still encoded as 4:2:0 on 4K to be sure (DV aside, apparently) but 4:2:0 from a 2160p studio-upscaled image has more chroma resolution than 4:2:0 on a 1080p self-upscaled image. To wit: look at this close-in photo of the red Autobot badge on Prime's chest right at the end of the film, notice how the BD loses most of the detailing while the UHD looks much betterer.

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