List of 4K+ Masters for Digitally Shot Films

[TDSOTM]

Originally Posted by 42041

Battle Los Angeles was mainly shot on 35mm I think...
Skyfall had a 4K DI, though it was shot on the 2.8K Arri Alexa.

Was it upscaled to 4K? What's the point in upscaling?

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by TDSOTM

Was it upscaled to 4K? What's the point in upscaling?

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...1&postcount=29

[TDSOTM]

Are they upscaled from 2.8K to 4K for DI, and then downscaled to 1080p for Blu-ray? This doesn't make any sense.

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by TDSOTM

Are they upscaled from 2.8K to 4K for DI, and then downscaled to 1080p for Blu-ray? This doesn't make any sense.

No, you don't upscale or upconvert it. You just save it in 4K with a lot of unused bits.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by TDSOTM

Was it upscaled to 4K? What's the point in upscaling?

Yes it was and point of up-scaling was discussed (especially read the hyperlinks for addition info), here…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...on#post7581588

In a nutshell, if you have access to an excellent up-res tool (which elite post houses do), and an excellent source with high pixel quality and low signal-to-noise-ratio (which the Alexa is), upscaling from 2.8K -> 4K can yield an excellent looking outcome, e.g. Skyfall.

The only caveat to the above which I would include is that if the camera is pushed beyond its optimal operating limits then that could degrade the final result…but again, that is a source issue.

[Penton-Man]

^ P.S.
People who only have means to less expensive cameras, than for instance the Alexa, can also get decent up-res results when they put some effort into it…http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.ph...-of-resolution < Funny comment....“but to make the 4K proper upres from BMCC look like a normal R3D, I had to blur the BMCC 4k upres”. (bolding by me)

[Penton-Man]

For those unfamiliar with the ^ acronyms , BMCC stands for the Black Magic Cinema Camera ( http://vimeo.com/51455065 ) and .R3D is the 42MB wavelet-based editing Redcode codec (i.e. think for RED Digital cameras).

[Penton-Man]

For you 4K digital aficionados, I see the Redray player is now shipping…http://www.red.com/store/products/redray-player
Price point aside, I’m reminded of a classic commercial from the ‘80s -

Where's the Beef - YouTube

Or, where’s the content? I mean even die-hard resolution freaks can watch oh so many landscape videos in 4K without

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

For you 4K digital aficionados, I see the Redray player is now shipping…http://www.red.com/store/products/redray-player
Price point aside, I’m reminded of a classic commercial from the ‘80s -

Or, where’s the content? I mean even die-hard resolution freaks can watch oh so many landscape videos in 4K without

Wow, it takes four HDMI 1.3 cables to do what one HDMI 1.4 cable can do.

[Brightstar]

The Tourist shot in 4K

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

The Tourist shot in 4K

It’s already on this list - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=218262 (i.e. The Tourist was film acquisition with a 4K DI).

[Penton-Man]

No anamorphic (pro or con) discussion on the sister digital 4K thread?

I think it needs at least a little attention. Little known (or advertised nugget), if you shoot EG Red Epic anamorphic, then it’s only about 3.6K across and really not *true* 4K (as if that makes a difference to anyone but pixel counters)…not to mention the fact that it’s a Bayer sensor so you’re really not achieving much more than about 3K as an effective resolution on the horizontal.

[Dragun]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I think it needs at least a little attention. Little known (or advertised nugget), if you shoot EG Red Epic anamorphic, then it’s only about 3.6K across and really not *true* 4K (as if that makes a difference to anyone but pixel counters)…not to mention the fact that it’s a Bayer sensor so you’re really not achieving much more than about 3K as an effective resolution on the horizontal.

If you use 2X anamorphics and then crop the sides a bit to get 2.40:1, then you are not gaining resolution. But buy using 1.3x anamorphic lenses like these that uses the entire sensor to squeeze a 2.40:1 image, and then unsqueezing without cropping, you do gain some resolution.

I don't know if the sharpness difference between 1.3x anamorphic shooting and spherical shooting is as drastic as anamorphic vs. Super 35 in the pre-DI days. When I was a teenage theater hopper, I remember seeing anamorphic and Super 35 films back-to-back and noticing how much sharper and less grainy the anamorphic films were. 2K DIs have lowered that gap, by dumbing down anamorphic resolution and increasing Super-35 quality by eliminating the optical step. With digital projection it all looks like TV...

[Penton-Man]

^ Sounds good to me.

[Brightstar]

what about 3;10 Yuma (remake)?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

No anamorphic (pro or con) discussion on the sister digital 4K thread?

I think it needs at least a little attention.

Good call. I remember being very surprised by the look of Haywire, combining anamorphic bokeh with the unerring smoothness of digital, and I was wondering just what the hell I was looking at. I'd seen the mega-widescreen clips on YouTube of folks experimenting with 2x anamorphics and 16:9 sensors, but I had no idea that companies like Hawk were producing 1.3x lenses. [edit: until I saw the Soderbergh movie I mentioned above]

Gangster Squad is another one, looking all glossy and saturated and quite digital, but again with the visual idiosyncrasies of anamorphic. I believe that it was shot with the Alexa Studio and regular 2x Panavision lenses, made possible by the selectable 16:9/4:3 sensor of the former.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

what about 3;10 Yuma (remake)?

2K DI: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0381849/...ef_=tt_dt_spec

[Brightstar]

Dredd 2012

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

Dredd 2012

It was shot in 4.5K, but unfortunately the DI for the BD/DVD releases is 2K. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/...ef_=tt_dt_spec

[Dragun]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I had no idea that companies like Hawk were producing 1.3x lenses. [edit: until I saw the Soderbergh movie I mentioned above]

Soderbergh also used those lenses on Magic Mike.