4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Yes, why not? It still remains data on a bigger Blu-ray disc. Then they can benefit the HVEC.265 codec plus the extra space on the 66GB - 100 GB discs. So no more splitting 3D movies. Or add for example more TV episodes on a disc.

But marketing wise, that is not gonna happen. it will be for 4K only and HVEC.265 codec.

1080p = 25-50GB discs and HVEC.264 codec.

H.264 wouldn't be HEVC

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by BozQ

H.264 wouldn't be HEVC

I know, made a typo.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

The receivers in the chain will be the issue for a lot of people, but I am guessing there will be players with dual hdmi outputs.
It's a shame the new Mhl standard was not used instead for video.

I just bought a new receiver last year, so they better have dual HDMI outputs.

[Selaboc]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Yes, why not? It still remains data on a bigger Blu-ray disc. Then they can benefit the HVEC.265 codec plus the extra space on the 66GB - 100 GB discs. So no more splitting 3D movies. Or add for example more TV episodes on a disc.

But marketing wise, that is not gonna happen. it will be for 4K only and HVEC.265 codec.

1080p = 25-50GB discs and HVEC.264 codec.

it's a bit more than just marketing, since we are talking about combos of 1080p and 4k, from a practicality standpoint whatever disc the 1080p is on would have to be compatible with older blu-ray players which won't have the HVEC.265 codec and might not be able to handle 66GB - 100 GB discs (otherwise there would be no point to having both a 1080p and 4K version in the same package)
so, as you say, "1080p = 25-50GB discs and H.264 codec"

Now, outside of combos, it would be just marketing that limits putting only 4k material on the newer disc format (as the main feature) same as it's basically marketing that prevents the main feature of a blu-ray from being SD material - which is one of the reasons why the DVD has not gone away and won't be anytime soon.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Yes, why not? It still remains data on a bigger Blu-ray disc. Then they can benefit the HVEC.265 codec plus the extra space on the 66GB - 100 GB discs. So no more splitting 3D movies. Or add for example more TV episodes on a disc.

But marketing wise, that is not gonna happen. it will be for 4K only and HVEC.265 codec.

1080p = 25-50GB discs and H.264 codec.

They need every bit of space they can get until H.265 encoding becomes mature... plus there is the addition of 3D audio. As they add more expanded video features to the UHD protocol it will require more data, not less. I think the industry knows that because there had been rumblings that larger discs might have actually been needed up to at least 150 GB. As is 66 and 100 GB was on the low end of that necessity.

[DavePS3]

After seeing the up-conversion on the Samsung 9000 series, my next panel will definitely be 4K. I'll get a player when they come out since they're backeards compatible. If I can afford a 4K this year, I'll buy one for sure.

Bear in mind I've always been a plasma person but the blacks are darker on the 9000 series and I can see detail within those blacks, that I don't see on my plasma and I'm talking about a BluRay like The Avengers. Yes, the off-axis viewing is not as forgivable as plasma was but I sit dead center anyway. The panels have impressed the hell out of me so even if I had access to a plasma again, I wouldn't go there. That's just me though...

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by DavePS3

After seeing the up-conversion on the Samsung 9000 series, my next panel will definitely be 4K. I'll get a player when they come out since they're backeards compatible. If I can afford a 4K this year, I'll buy one for sure.

Bear in mind I've always been a plasma person but the blacks are darker on the 9000 series and I can see detail within those blacks, that I don't see on my plasma and I'm talking about a BluRay like The Avengers. Yes, the off-axis viewing is not as forgivable as plasma was but I sit dead center anyway. The panels have impressed the hell out of me so even if I had access to a plasma again, I wouldn't go there. That's just me though...

Make sure whatever you get has the minimum specs. of HDMI 2.0 (18 Gb/s) and HDCP 2.2 with a 10 bit panel that can display the DCI-P3 color gamut, and 60 fps. Compatible HDR support would be icing on the cake.

Otherwise, it wouldn't be able to handle even the lowest level of Ultra HD Blu-ray's specs. Be careful when you shop, especially with these first sets being released around the new format's debut. We may have to wait for professional reviews that can determine if these models will do what they say they can.

[DavePS3]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Make sure whatever you get has the minimum specs. of HDMI 2.0 (18 Gb/s) and HDCP 2.2 with a 10 bit panel that can display the DCI-P3 color gamut, and 60 fps. Compatible HDR support would be icing on the cake.

Otherwise, it wouldn't be able to handle even the lowest level of Ultra HD Blu-ray's specs. Be careful when you shop, especially with these first sets being released around the new format's debut. We may have to wait for professional reviews that can determine if these models will do what they say they can.

I think all reviewers should live with the product and use it daily for 6 months before writing a review. Most top of the line sets will do what we need them to do in general but it will become like 1080p panels in that we will have top of the line and 10 models underneath progressively getting more basic and IMO crappier. It's all about processing and like horsepower in a car, it needs torque. Top models are usually the best bet. Once you start trying to do the same thing on a lower budget... you'd better have lower expectations.

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Make sure whatever you get has the minimum specs. of HDMI 2.0 (18 Gb/s) and HDCP 2.2 with a 10 bit panel that can display the DCI-P3 color gamut, and 60 fps. Compatible HDR support would be icing on the cake.

Otherwise, it wouldn't be able to handle even the lowest level of Ultra HD Blu-ray's specs. Be careful when you shop, especially with these first sets being released around the new format's debut. We may have to wait for professional reviews that can determine if these models will do what they say they can.

I don't believe any panel is 10bit at the moment?

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

Theoretically could they put a 1080p version of a film on the same disc as the 4K version?

Unless they fit both a BD-50 no since the higher capacity discs can't be read by current Blurays. So that might work for short TV specials

[bruceames]

Don't the Sony TVs have a 10 bit panel? They were releasing the Mastered in 4K series which boasted an improved 10 bit color gamut that could be seen on their new 4k TVs (although you need a Sony Blu-ray player as well).

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

I don't believe any panel is 10bit at the moment?

You'll pretty much have to wait for the new TV models to arrive in order to get 10 bit panels AND the proper HDMI/HDCP combo chipset.

It'll be interesting to see if even the lowest level UHD sets coming to market have 10 bit panels this time around or if they'll try to get rid of surplus 8 bit inventory from the last model cycle first disguised as their new "budget line" and say they can get "pretty darn close" to DCI-P3 specs, but with new HDMI chips.

[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Don't the Sony TVs have a 10 bit panel? They were releasing the Mastered in 4K series which boasted an improved 10 bit color gamut that could be seen on their new 4k TVs (although you need a Sony Blu-ray player as well).

The 'Mi4K' titles do not feature 10-bit, they make use of the unused bits of 8-bit.

Blu-ray's use video level Y' - 16-235 and both C channels - 16-240.

xvYCC uses 1-16 and 240-254 within the C channels.

That's not to say all unused bits are used.

Also, xvYCC isn't exclusive to just Sony kit.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by DavePS3

I think all reviewers should live with the product and use it daily for 6 months before writing a review.

That's an extremely excessive amount of time. One doesn't need six months of daily use to know how it performs. Second, there would hardly be any reviews out there if they could only review two displays a year and in many cases, the new model year would be arriving before they even finished reviewing the existing. In essence, they would end up reviewing one year behind. lol I've used eight different displays over the last 10 years (six of which pro calibrated) and didn't need six months of evaluation time. If you know what to look for, after a few weeks is sufficient - but it really depends on the hours spent viewing. Calibration and proper tests will reveal a lot from the get-go.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Nightopian

Yes, I know about Quantum Dot LED (QD-LED) but companies such as LG, while they are putting some research into it, they are pushing more towards OLED as a real replacement to the aging LCD. QD-LED is another bandaid technology to try to fix the limitations associated with LCD LED colour spectrum. It remains to be seen whether or not and in what capacity they will fit in the marketplace....

Well, anyway, to be clear, I’m not inferring that QD-LED is better than OLED (or, to use your band aid like analogy, a staple gun for closure of a skin laceration is superior to a plastic surgeon available in the room using a suture kit, but….zee gun is a helluva lot faster (and cheaper)

I believe, if anything, it remains to be seen in what capacity consumer 4K OLEDs of sufficient size will fit in the marketplace and for how long they’ll essentially remain an option only for the economically privileged.

Originally Posted by Nightopian

...and Samsung are pushing for the change to OLED and I'm sure Sony, Panasonic etc will follow.

You must be better connected than I am, for I don’t have that same degree of insight or certainty.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Don't the Sony TVs have a 10 bit panel?

If the manufacturer (be it Sony, Panasonic, whomever) doesn’t advertise the TV as ’10 bit’ in the marketing spec page for consumers, then look for the phrase “over a billion colors” (and/or 1024 distinct steps of gradation) in order to qualify as being capable of processing and displaying 10bit depth.

And if the marketing spiel doesn't help you out, advanced users in professional facilities could test for 10 bit monitor capability by generating their own 10 bit gradient from left to light and then take the file into a program like this freebie…. http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/products...ning-editions/ to see if you are getting all of the code values you’d expect.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

10 bit panels

You’re probably already aware of this but for others still in the learning process…

The term ’10 bit panel’ can mean a couple things. A true (not tooo expensive ) 10 bit panel with 12bit processing capability, see last paragraph - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post10266565

Legally, and industry-accepted semantically, what also qualifies as a ’10 bit panel’, is an 8 bit panel with temporal dithering or frame rate control (see 8 bit + FRC - http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles...anel_parts.htm < note, I don’t know how comprehensive that list is.

Anyway, so, what’s zee best? And how much of a difference with regards to displaying an image are they (true 10-bit panel vs. a 10-bit FRC panel)….alas, perhaps a topic for another day.

[Nightopian]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I believe, if anything, it remains to be seen in what capacity consumer 4K OLEDs of sufficient size will fit in the marketplace and for how long they’ll essentially remain an option only for the economically privileged.

Yes, I agree. I feel there may be another mini war going on in the near future of OLED vs. QD-LED and it may just come down to marketing, what's on offer and of course price and performance. From a technological standpoint, OLED wins in pretty much all area's, but it is still costly. However, QD-LED is just as costly to manufacture at the moment as well...

I guess only time will tell in the end. In any event, we all win.

[alphadec]

If I did buy a 4k tv last year can I play 4k bd discs on these tv's when the new bd players comes out later this year. ?

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by alphadec

If I did buy a 4k tv last year can I play 4k bd discs on these tv's when the new bd players comes out later this year. ?

You may be able to, but it will be at a lower level of quality due to copy protection protocols and whether or not it can properly display DCI-P3 colors.