Prometheus Review Thread (Spoilers)

[Grumpz]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I'm seeing it again tomorrow in RealD3D. Have to listen carefully to the dialogue. Couldn't make out what Weyland said after his 'meeting' with the Engineer.

Ya, I've got to see it again too. Waiting for our weak ass IMAX to start showing it.

[Grumpz]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I really hope that they stay away from the

[Show spoiler]Space Jesus

angle. That would be a franchise killer of Star Wars proportions. Ridley already said it was too extreme, so I hope he continues to think so.

Destroyed the Matrix if you ask me.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Eny-

Watched both versions. 2D all the way. 3D ruins the photography of the film and darkens the image IMO.

Watched it first in 3D. I know what you talking about, which didn't bother me to much.

[Lopan]

Originally Posted by R1V3R5

Also...

[Show spoiler]

I don't understand the confusion of rather Meredith Vickers (Theron) was an android or not. I think Weyland was worried about her and that is why he had a emergency life-raft vessel built entirely for her. That way if they had faced a deadly threat that she would be safe. She would not need such a vessel if she were an android.

[Show spoiler]This was not Vicker's quarters. It was Weyland's and Vickers was just using it. Big hint when Shaw asks for a C-section from the medical pod, it told her this pod was designed for a male patient.

[Grumpz]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Murals appear everywhere in our culture. We don't worship Micky Mouse when we go to Disneyland, do we?

A full grown queen has four arms and stands at a crouch. The mural shows a standard xeno that has additional art work swirling around and through it.

The "headdress" on the mural Alien screams Queen.

[Col. Zombie]

Originally Posted by Eny-

3D ruins the photography of the film and darkens the image IMO.

As it does with every film.

[Jumpman]

There seems to be a lot of "bending over backwards" to justify how some of the narrative and character motivates don't work at all in this film across the net.

As much as I love Ridley's work, especially his recent stuff, Prometheus just isn't a good flick, when it comes to narrative and character work.

Being vague does not equal being smart and the film is just being vague for vague's sake. And, I don't want to here about "we'll get the answers in the sequel" nonsense because they should've tried to make a complete experience, a complete narrative with this film and worry about the sequel if they actually get one.

In order for this film to even remotely make sense of the mess Lindeof creates, it has to have a sequel and I don't want to have to wait for the main course 3 years from now when we should've gotten with this one.

You can sort of feel this film is at war with itself. Part of it wants to be an original science fiction film. The other part feels like "well, they gave us all this money so we better have some connections to Alien, even though we don't want it" kind of movie.

And what's worse, it's just so damn gorgeous! I mean, this is one of those films where you could literally let the images wash over you and put the volume on mute. That's how great the technical aspects of this film are. Just stunning work.

I'm curious about this extended cut on BD but I don't think that'll help the film. At the end of the day, he takes all the familiar troupes of the Alien franchise and puts them in this film where it feels like we've seen this before and yet, there's an original, different film screaming to get out and it can't.

[Prox]

I would be interested in finding out what was said between

[Show spoiler]David and the engineer

. I heard that Ridley Scott claimed an entire language was created for the film, which (if true) would mean the scene could be translated.

[duggie walker]

Originally Posted by nolfoc

this was really good

No, it's nonsense. As with all apologists for PROMETHEUS, this guy leapfrogs over the most important gaps in logic. He also manages to insult those of us who see the film for the botch-job it is by yet again accusing us of being unable to think, or to escape comparisons with the first film. In fact, rather than those who didn't think it any good not being able to deal with art that doesn't explain itself, I'd say it highlights the fact that audiences are so inured to idiotic plots and characters, so used to turning-their-brains-off, so distracted by pretty pictures and fx, that they'll gratefully swallow any crap that's served up to them; especially if it flatters them into thinking that they're understanding something profound (see also the idiotic MATRIX sequels, which were defended with the same fervour).

The very premise of the film is thin. They find cave-painting of people pointing at spheres. So then they discover a planetary system that matches it. Well. I'll bet there are thousands of planetary systems that look like five spheres in that configuration. But let's say they narrow it down to one. It's a VAST leap to make the assumption that these are the home planets of beings who created us. I mean, sure, send a probe; but a TRILLION dollar, fully-manned mission? With

[Show spoiler]Weyland on board hoping they might be able to grant him immortality

? Sorry, I don't buy it.

And then we're supposed to believe that it was actually

[Show spoiler]a ruse to get us to go to their weapons planet? Because that's where this "map" takes us - not to their home planet but to their weapons facility. Why didn't they just come and visit us? Oh - wait a minute - that's what their plan is. So we get "invited" to their weapons plant so we can see them fly back here?

There are too many of these questions to list right now but PROMETHEUS is full of them. This is not information being with-held; this is dumb shit that nobody managed to figure out by the time it went into production to meet a rushed-release date.

This guy thinks we've "mistaken" it for bad writing. Well, here's the thing - PROMETHEUS is full of honest-to-goodness bad writing, line by line, moment by moment. Even apologists have to admit that Laurel and Hardy are a couple of the all-time stupidests chumps in movie history. This is bad writing, folks. That's what it looks like. So excuse me if it undermines the case for the rest of the film being some profound, subtle work of genius.

Also, this comparison to reviews of ALIEN (comparisons obviously acceptable when it supports the argument!) is completely bogus. I saw it on release and I remember the press reaction very well. ALIEN was criticised (not without reason) for having very thin characterisation and being basically a hokey old monster-movie; but it was accepted that it was stylistically brilliant. Not for one moment was it accused of being confusing, or ridiculously implausible.

One more thing that this genius seems to miss in his video review. If the opening of the film - which, by the way, catastrophically damages the "alien head" reveal moment - is supposed to mirror the Promethean legend isn't it more likely that the engineer stole the black goo and seeded the earth against his race's wishes. I think that makes more sense.

I could go on but I'll spare us all. There is more wrong than right with PROMETHEUS, imo, and I'm getting to despair that so many people think it's an acceptable piece of work. What's tragic is that another couple of rewrites and it could have really been something great.

[Kaiju]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

There seems to be a lot of "bending over backwards" to justify how some of the narrative and character motivates don't work at all in this film across the net.

As much as I love Ridley's work, especially his recent stuff, Prometheus just isn't a good flick, when it comes to narrative and character work.

Being vague does not equal being smart and the film is just being vague for vague's sake. And, I don't want to here about "we'll get the answers in the sequel" nonsense because they should've tried to make a complete experience, a complete narrative with this film and worry about the sequel if they actually get one.

In order for this film to even remotely make sense of the mess Lindeof creates, it has to have a sequel and I don't want to have to wait for the main course 3 years from now when we should've gotten with this one.

You can sort of feel this film is at war with itself. Part of it wants to be an original science fiction film. The other part feels like "well, they gave us all this money so we better have some connections to Alien, even though we don't want it" kind of movie.

And what's worse, it's just so damn gorgeous! I mean, this is one of those films where you could literally let the images wash over you and put the volume on mute. That's how great the technical aspects of this film are. Just stunning work.

I'm curious about this extended cut on BD but I don't think that'll help the film. At the end of the day, he takes all the familiar troupes of the Alien franchise and puts them in this film where it feels like we've seen this before and yet, there's an original, different film screaming to get out and it can't.

Cool story, bro.

[Jumpman]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

No, it's nonsense. As with all apologists for PROMETHEUS, this guy leapfrogs over the most important gaps in logic. He also manages to insult those of us who see the film for the botch-job it is by yet again accusing us of being unable to think, or to escape comparisons with the first film. In fact, rather than those who didn't think it any good not being able to deal with art that doesn't explain itself, I'd say it highlights the fact that audiences are so inured to idiotic plots and characters, so used to turning-their-brains-off, so distracted by pretty pictures and fx, that they'll gratefully swallow any crap that's served up to them; especially if it flatters them into thinking that they're understanding something profound (see also the idiotic MATRIX sequels, which were defended with the same fervour).

The very premise of the film is thin. They find cave-painting of people pointing at spheres. So then they discover a planetary system that matches it. Well. I'll bet there are thousands of planetary systems that look like five spheres in that configuration. But let's say they narrow it down to one. It's a VAST leap to make the assumption that these are the home planets of beings who created us. I mean, sure, send a probe; but a TRILLION dollar, fully-manned mission? With

[Show spoiler]Weyland on board hoping they might be able to grant him immortality

? Sorry, I don't buy it.

And then we're supposed to believe that it was actually

[Show spoiler]a ruse to get us to go to their weapons planet? Because that's where this "map" takes us - not to their home planet but to their weapons facility. Why didn't they just come and visit us? Oh - wait a minute - that's what their plan is. So we get "invited" to their weapons plant so we can see them fly back here?

There are too many of these questions to list right now but PROMETHEUS is full of them. This is not information being with-held; this is dumb shit that nobody managed to figure out by the time it went into production to meet a rushed-release date.

This guy thinks we've "mistaken" it for bad writing. Well, here's the thing - PROMETHEUS is full of honest-to-goodness bad writing, line by line, moment by moment. Even apologists have to admit that Laurel and Hardy are a couple of the all-time stupidests chumps in movie history. This is bad writing, folks. That's what it looks like. So excuse me if it undermines the case for the rest of the film being some profound, subtle work of genius.

Also, this comparison to reviews of ALIEN (comparisons obviously acceptable when it supports the argument!) is completely bogus. I saw it on release and I remember the press reaction very well. ALIEN was criticised (not without reason) for having very thin characterisation and being basically a hokey old monster-movie; but it was accepted that it was stylistically brilliant. Not for one moment was it accused of being confusing, or ridiculously implausible.

One more thing that this genius seems to miss in his video review. If the opening of the film - which, by the way, catastrophically damages the "alien head" reveal moment - is supposed to mirror the Promethean legend isn't it more likely that the engineer stole the black goo and seeded the earth against his race's wishes. I think that makes more sense.

I could go on but I'll spare us all. There is more wrong than right with PROMETHEUS, imo, and I'm getting to despair that so many people think it's an acceptable piece of work. What's tragic is that another couple of rewrites and it could have really been something great.

Pretty much.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

I am loving reading all the various interpretations of the film. For me, that's a sign of good sci fi. I guess one person's plot hole is another person's genius. I do disagree with one point that author argues though in that particular theory....

[Show spoiler]I disagree with that article's assertion that the classic xenomorph that we know and love was already in existence and the black oil was an attempt to replicate the life form. Part of what made this film interesting was that we were seeing the origin of the species we would later see in Alien. That last scene when the creature opens up its jaws and a second set comes out all but sealed that idea for me. In essence, we saw the Australopithecus of the xenomorph before the species stabilizes into its own unique and self sustaining species. The fact that the classic xenomorph has its origins in the human race is a brilliant idea. Though admittedly, to each his or her own.

The mural of the xenomorph sure looks like the

[Show spoiler]alien born from the engineer to me. We know the mural is over 2000 years old. It is possible that the mural is nothing more than an indication of the end product of the biobombs stored in the room that David opens behind the mural.

[Blu Lemmy]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

No, it's nonsense. As with all apologists for PROMETHEUS, this guy leapfrogs over the most important gaps in logic. He also manages to insult those of us who see the film for the botch-job it is by yet again accusing us of being unable to think, or to escape comparisons with the first film. In fact, rather than those who didn't think it any good not being able to deal with art that doesn't explain itself, I'd say it highlights the fact that audiences are so inured to idiotic plots and characters, so used to turning-their-brains-off, so distracted by pretty pictures and fx, that they'll gratefully swallow any crap that's served up to them; especially if it flatters them into thinking that they're understanding something profound (see also the idiotic MATRIX sequels, which were defended with the same fervour).

The very premise of the film is thin. They find cave-painting of people pointing at spheres. So then they discover a planetary system that matches it. Well. I'll bet there are thousands of planetary systems that look like five spheres in that configuration. But let's say they narrow it down to one. It's a VAST leap to make the assumption that these are the home planets of beings who created us. I mean, sure, send a probe; but a TRILLION dollar, fully-manned mission? With

[Show spoiler]Weyland on board hoping they might be able to grant him immortality

? Sorry, I don't buy it.

And then we're supposed to believe that it was actually

[Show spoiler]a ruse to get us to go to their weapons planet? Because that's where this "map" takes us - not to their home planet but to their weapons facility. Why didn't they just come and visit us? Oh - wait a minute - that's what their plan is. So we get "invited" to their weapons plant so we can see them fly back here?

There are too many of these questions to list right now but PROMETHEUS is full of them. This is not information being with-held; this is dumb shit that nobody managed to figure out by the time it went into production to meet a rushed-release date.

This guy thinks we've "mistaken" it for bad writing. Well, here's the thing - PROMETHEUS is full of honest-to-goodness bad writing, line by line, moment by moment. Even apologists have to admit that Laurel and Hardy are a couple of the all-time stupidests chumps in movie history. This is bad writing, folks. That's what it looks like. So excuse me if it undermines the case for the rest of the film being some profound, subtle work of genius.

Also, this comparison to reviews of ALIEN (comparisons obviously acceptable when it supports the argument!) is completely bogus. I saw it on release and I remember the press reaction very well. ALIEN was criticised (not without reason) for having very thin characterisation and being basically a hokey old monster-movie; but it was accepted that it was stylistically brilliant. Not for one moment was it accused of being confusing, or ridiculously implausible.

One more thing that this genius seems to miss in his video review. If the opening of the film - which, by the way, catastrophically damages the "alien head" reveal moment - is supposed to mirror the Promethean legend isn't it more likely that the engineer stole the black goo and seeded the earth against his race's wishes. I think that makes more sense.

I could go on but I'll spare us all. There is more wrong than right with PROMETHEUS, imo, and I'm getting to despair that so many people think it's an acceptable piece of work. What's tragic is that another couple of rewrites and it could have really been something great.

Each to their own

The directions

[Show spoiler]to the weapons facility made me think though

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

No, it's nonsense. As with all apologists for PROMETHEUS, this guy leapfrogs over the most important gaps in logic. He also manages to insult those of us who see the film for the botch-job it is by yet again accusing us of being unable to think, or to escape comparisons with the first film. In fact, rather than those who didn't think it any good not being able to deal with art that doesn't explain itself, I'd say it highlights the fact that audiences are so inured to idiotic plots and characters, so used to turning-their-brains-off, so distracted by pretty pictures and fx, that they'll gratefully swallow any crap that's served up to them; especially if it flatters them into thinking that they're understanding something profound (see also the idiotic MATRIX sequels, which were defended with the same fervour).

The very premise of the film is thin. They find cave-painting of people pointing at spheres. So then they discover a planetary system that matches it. Well. I'll bet there are thousands of planetary systems that look like five spheres in that configuration. But let's say they narrow it down to one. It's a VAST leap to make the assumption that these are the home planets of beings who created us. I mean, sure, send a probe; but a TRILLION dollar, fully-manned mission? With

[Show spoiler]Weyland on board hoping they might be able to grant him immortality

? Sorry, I don't buy it.

And then we're supposed to believe that it was actually

[Show spoiler]a ruse to get us to go to their weapons planet? Because that's where this "map" takes us - not to their home planet but to their weapons facility. Why didn't they just come and visit us? Oh - wait a minute - that's what their plan is. So we get "invited" to their weapons plant so we can see them fly back here?

There are too many of these questions to list right now but PROMETHEUS is full of them. This is not information being with-held; this is dumb shit that nobody managed to figure out by the time it went into production to meet a rushed-release date.

This guy thinks we've "mistaken" it for bad writing. Well, here's the thing - PROMETHEUS is full of honest-to-goodness bad writing, line by line, moment by moment. Even apologists have to admit that Laurel and Hardy are a couple of the all-time stupidests chumps in movie history. This is bad writing, folks. That's what it looks like. So excuse me if it undermines the case for the rest of the film being some profound, subtle work of genius.

Also, this comparison to reviews of ALIEN (comparisons obviously acceptable when it supports the argument!) is completely bogus. I saw it on release and I remember the press reaction very well. ALIEN was criticised (not without reason) for having very thin characterisation and being basically a hokey old monster-movie; but it was accepted that it was stylistically brilliant. Not for one moment was it accused of being confusing, or ridiculously implausible.

One more thing that this genius seems to miss in his video review. If the opening of the film - which, by the way, catastrophically damages the "alien head" reveal moment - is supposed to mirror the Promethean legend isn't it more likely that the engineer stole the black goo and seeded the earth against his race's wishes. I think that makes more sense.

I could go on but I'll spare us all. There is more wrong than right with PROMETHEUS, imo, and I'm getting to despair that so many people think it's an acceptable piece of work. What's tragic is that another couple of rewrites and it could have really been something great.

spot on.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by KarmaNL

If true, best news ever

http://collider.com/ridley-scott-pro...erview/172202/

Longer Blu-ray cut supposedly + 30 mins deleted scenes including

[Show spoiler]Engineer vs Shaw Axe fight

. Finally my favorite part from the trailer will be on there

Scott repeated what he and a Fox producer said in previous interviews. There will be deleted/extended scenes on the BD menu, but no plans to include an extended cut. When pressed, late in the interview he said maybe, just to be polite, but he was shaking his head no at the same time.

Obviously, precedent was set in the Alien Quadrilogy for including extended cuts on the BDs. Scott pointed out that the extended cut of Alien was not a Director's Cut.

[Blu Lemmy]

Prometheus, although I loved it, felt like a prequel to a prequel

[Kaiju]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

No, it's nonsense. As with all apologists for PROMETHEUS, this guy leapfrogs over the most important gaps in logic. He also manages to insult those of us who see the film for the botch-job it is by yet again accusing us of being unable to think, or to escape comparisons with the first film. In fact, rather than those who didn't think it any good not being able to deal with art that doesn't explain itself, I'd say it highlights the fact that audiences are so inured to idiotic plots and characters, so used to turning-their-brains-off, so distracted by pretty pictures and fx, that they'll gratefully swallow any crap that's served up to them; especially if it flatters them into thinking that they're understanding something profound (see also the idiotic MATRIX sequels, which were defended with the same fervour).

The very premise of the film is thin. They find cave-painting of people pointing at spheres. So then they discover a planetary system that matches it. Well. I'll bet there are thousands of planetary systems that look like five spheres in that configuration. But let's say they narrow it down to one. It's a VAST leap to make the assumption that these are the home planets of beings who created us. I mean, sure, send a probe; but a TRILLION dollar, fully-manned mission? With

[Show spoiler]Weyland on board hoping they might be able to grant him immortality

? Sorry, I don't buy it.

And then we're supposed to believe that it was actually

[Show spoiler]a ruse to get us to go to their weapons planet? Because that's where this "map" takes us - not to their home planet but to their weapons facility. Why didn't they just come and visit us? Oh - wait a minute - that's what their plan is. So we get "invited" to their weapons plant so we can see them fly back here?

There are too many of these questions to list right now but PROMETHEUS is full of them. This is not information being with-held; this is dumb shit that nobody managed to figure out by the time it went into production to meet a rushed-release date.

This guy thinks we've "mistaken" it for bad writing. Well, here's the thing - PROMETHEUS is full of honest-to-goodness bad writing, line by line, moment by moment. Even apologists have to admit that Laurel and Hardy are a couple of the all-time stupidests chumps in movie history. This is bad writing, folks. That's what it looks like. So excuse me if it undermines the case for the rest of the film being some profound, subtle work of genius.

Also, this comparison to reviews of ALIEN (comparisons obviously acceptable when it supports the argument!) is completely bogus. I saw it on release and I remember the press reaction very well. ALIEN was criticised (not without reason) for having very thin characterisation and being basically a hokey old monster-movie; but it was accepted that it was stylistically brilliant. Not for one moment was it accused of being confusing, or ridiculously implausible.

One more thing that this genius seems to miss in his video review. If the opening of the film - which, by the way, catastrophically damages the "alien head" reveal moment - is supposed to mirror the Promethean legend isn't it more likely that the engineer stole the black goo and seeded the earth against his race's wishes. I think that makes more sense.

I could go on but I'll spare us all. There is more wrong than right with PROMETHEUS, imo, and I'm getting to despair that so many people think it's an acceptable piece of work. What's tragic is that another couple of rewrites and it could have really been something great.

That's just, like, your opinion man.

[KarmaNL]

Next phase of Project Prometheus

http://www.whatis101112.com/

[groove93]

This is one take that I've been pondering.

[Show spoiler]If you put the film in terms of H.R. Giger's world, then Holloway was in fact a "Facehugger" for Shaw's seed. She could not have children. MEN cannot have children. Yet a Facehugger attacked Kane, planted a seed, and a creature was born from Kane. The same goes for barren Shaw. Now I know a Facugger was born from Shaw, and all other instances of impregnation involves a Xenomorph, but it was something I thought may be of interest.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by KarmaNL

Next phase of Project Prometheus

http://www.whatis101112.com/

What is he saying in the clip?

I think there is way more to Prometheus as shown in the theater. IMO