Prometheus Review Thread (Spoilers)

[Taipan]

Originally Posted by Barbossa

As I understand it, the MPAA wouldn't allow that because it would 'confuse' the public .........

Also, if two cuts are released, something like 60 days has to elapse between screening each separate cut. And yes, you can also blame that on the 'Mom and Pop's Ars*hole Association'.

Something like that anyhow.

Thanks for the input Barbossa. I guess we won't get the longer cut in theaters.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

I can't imagine a PG13 edit would hurt the film much.

If losing some swearing, gore or sex/nudity makes a film not as good, then it was a pretty weak film in the first place.

That said, I'm fully for directors making a film and it getting whatever rating and coming out that way rather than being edited to make more money from a wider audience. But it's not a deal breaker where I won't see the theatrical cut as the edits usually end up being very minor as we're usually not talking a hard R movie getting edited down in these cases, but something where just a few scenes being tweaked is enough to get the PG13.

I would fully get behind these thoughts if the difference in run time wasn't 17 minutes. That is too much time for some swearing, gore and nudity scenes. There must be something of substance for 17 minutes to be shaved off.

[Monkey]

Try making a Event Horizon cut to be PG 13, I bet you'd have to chop off a ton of minutes as well. So 17 minutes isn't surprising if true. The trailer definitely makes it look like horror/terror and some nasty things will be involved.

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by Monkey

Try making a Event Horizon cut to be PG 13, I bet you'd have to chop off a ton of minutes as well. So 17 minutes isn't surprising if true. The trailer definitely makes it look like horror/terror and some nasty things will be involved.

Thats a bad comparison though. The first Alien film isn't really gory at all save for the 10-15 seconds of the chestburster scene, in fact if it wasn't for that and some F-bombs I'm sure the film wouldve received a PG-13 rating.

I'm not expecting alot of gore in Prometheus and I'm willing to bet its not Ridleys intention to make this a "gory film" so for them to shave off 17 mins seems VERY excessive.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

Thats a bad comparison though. The first Alien film isn't really gory at all save for the 10-15 seconds of the chestburster scene, in fact if it wasn't for that and some F-bombs I'm sure the film wouldve received a PG-13 rating.

I'm not expecting alot of gore in Prometheus and I'm willing to bet its not Ridleys intention to make this a "gory film" so for them to shave off 17 mins seems VERY excessive.

Not really, because that wasn't a rating back in the day

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

Thats a bad comparison though. The first Alien film isn't really gory at all save for the 10-15 seconds of the chestburster scene, in fact if it wasn't for that and some F-bombs I'm sure the film wouldve received a PG-13 rating.

I'm not expecting alot of gore in Prometheus and I'm willing to bet its not Ridleys intention to make this a "gory film" so for them to shave off 17 mins seems VERY excessive.

yeah I know Alien is very different and not like Event Horizon. I'm just saying it is possible Prometheus is a bit more intense graphically. Who knows, we haven't watched it yet. Could be that Alien would be rated R with today's standards as well.

Regardless, 17 minutes chopped is a big bummer if true.

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by Foggy

Not really, because that wasn't a rating back in the day

Oh...fwoops! haha.

[juanleche]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

If losing some swearing, gore or sex/nudity makes a film not as good, then it was a pretty weak film in the first place.

depends on who's nudity

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

I can't imagine a PG13 edit would hurt the film much.

If losing some swearing, gore or sex/nudity makes a film not as good, then it was a pretty weak film in the first place.

That said, I'm fully for directors making a film and it getting whatever rating and coming out that way rather than being edited to make more money from a wider audience. But it's not a deal breaker where I won't see the theatrical cut as the edits usually end up being very minor as we're usually not talking a hard R movie getting edited down in these cases, but something where just a few scenes being tweaked is enough to get the PG13.

Apply that logic to a Body-shock Cronenberg film

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by Foggy

Apply that logic to a Body-shock Cronenberg film

Is there a PG 13 cut to Videodrome or Crash?
The content in question isn't merely "extra stuff." unless were talking about a Michael Bay movie (the debacle surrounding the car chase in The Rock makes me crack up)

Edit:
Sometimes the MPAA gives Harsh ratings for atmosphere on top of quantifiable content. So maybe Prometheus is indeed very effective.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by Abdrewes

Is there a PG 13 cut to Videodrome or Crash?
The content in question isn't merely "extra stuff." unless were talking about a Michael Bay movie (the debacle surrounding the car chase in The Rock makes me crack up)

Edit:
Sometimes the MPAA gives Harsh ratings for atmosphere on top of quantifiable content. So maybe Prometheus is indeed very effective.

What is this Rock debacle?

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Abdrewes

Is there a PG 13 cut to Videodrome or Crash?
The content in question isn't merely "extra stuff." unless were talking about a Michael Bay movie (the debacle surrounding the car chase in The Rock makes me crack up)

Edit:
Sometimes the MPAA gives Harsh ratings for atmosphere on top of quantifiable content. So maybe Prometheus is indeed very effective.

I don't believe so, the point I was making was that those films wouldn't work if the gore and nudity was cut out.

Also, Don't Be Afraid Of The Dark was aiming for a PG-13 but got an R because of it's autmosphere.

[V2David]

The loss of 17 minutes is UNACCEPTABLE. The "R" rated cut is obviously the preferred cut otherwise they would release the US cut internationally also. This is unfortunately a money grab where the "PG-13" ratings will bring in a much larger audience then an "R" rating.

That being said, can the US cut still be good? Of course it can. But this is NOT the preferred cut. And the fact 17 minutes have been chopped is SUBSTANTIAL, especially when the extra 17 minutes is deemed suitable for the International audience.

So the US IS getting screwed!!

This frankly is horrible news. Good thing I will be overseas in June and will try and catch this in a foreign theater (with hopefully original English audio).

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by V2David

The loss of 17 minutes is UNACCEPTABLE. The "R" rated cut is obviously the preferred cut otherwise they would release the US cut internationally also. This is unfortunately a money grab where the "PG-13" ratings will bring in a much larger audience then an "R" rating.

That being said, can the US cut still be good? Of course it can. But this is NOT the preferred cut. And the fact 17 minutes have been chopped is SUBSTANTIAL, especially when the extra 17 minutes is deemed suitable for the International audience.

So the US IS getting screwed!!

This frankly is horrible news. Good thing I will be overseas in June and will try and catch this in a foreign theater (with hopefully original English audio).

Ok, I think this better get straightened up...

1) It's only rumored at the moment

2) UK rating system is different to the US, so's every other country. However, I'm only a half expert on the rating here and over there. Most PG-13 horror films get 15's over here, which is similar to an R, except it's restricted to anyone under 15 (no parent or guardian can get you into it), with that in mind, why make it cut if it's going to get that rating anyway.

3) A few of films have been cut down in the UK to get 12a/15 ratings (The Hunger Games, Immortals, The Woman in Black) so we know it sucks, we also might consider this ultimate pay back

4) I'm at a seminar at the BBFC next week, if I get a chance to bring it up, I'll try

[Grumpz]

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/new...prometheus.php

"What does it all mean? Not sure, but this is definitely a neat looking piece of science fiction. Since Scott is going to great lengths to keep much of this under wraps, not a lot of the film was revealed, but when the director said, simply, that he wants to “scare the shit out” us, he got my vote, and my dollars, to see this flick."

If this movie is released to allow teens or children, how can this quote be possible?

Feels like we're going down the Predator vs. Alien path again!

[Barbossa]

Regarding this '17 mnutes has been cut' nonsense, let's stomp on that rumour right here and now. Here's what Scott said:

"I think there was only one time where I personally cut a film too short, where I cut off about 17 minutes. But with this film we have a very good cut."

He was NOT talking about Prometheus - he doesn't give the name of the film, but it could have been Kingdom of Heaven.

[Grumpz]

Anyone remember how the 17 minutes cut from Aliens affected the movie? I do!

Those 17 minutes made the Extended Version or Directors Cut significantly better if you ask me...and not just because of any rating difference there may of been.

[Grumpz]

Originally Posted by Barbossa

Regarding this '17 mnutes has been cut' nonsense, let's stomp on that rumour right here and now. Here's what Scott said:

"I think there was only one time where I personally cut a film too short, where I cut off about 17 minutes. But with this film we have a very good cut."

He was NOT talking about Prometheus - he doesn't give the name of the film, but it could have been Kingdom of Heaven.

Or Alien, as the Anthology also had that much time inserted for Scott's version.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by Barbossa

Regarding this '17 mnutes has been cut' nonsense, let's stomp on that rumour right here and now. Here's what Scott said:

"I think there was only one time where I personally cut a film too short, where I cut off about 17 minutes. But with this film we have a very good cut."

He was NOT talking about Prometheus - he doesn't give the name of the film, but it could have been Kingdom of Heaven.

Thank you!! Who the heck started with the claim that 17 minutes was cut from this film?

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[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Grumpz

Or Alien, as the Anthology also had that much time inserted for Scott's version.

I think 17 minutes was added to Robin Hood as well, plus the many revisions to Blade Runner

[raygendreau]

It seems that Project Prometheus is complete. All six images have been released: http://www.projectprometheus.com/