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Old 06-10-2012, 08:41 PM   #3261
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3.5/5...It did leave a few questions for me.

I saw it with my wife and some friends and a discussion came up as to
[Show spoiler]who was the crewman that was outside the ship in the crab position (that attacked) when they opened the door? I though it was the crewman (Fifield) whose mask was melted that they found in the cave. Others though it was the doctor's boyfriend.
[Show spoiler]That was Fifield, the geologist who hates dead bodies and loves rocks. The "tobacco" smoking dude.
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[Show spoiler]That was Fifield, the geologist who hates dead bodies and loves rocks. The "tobacco" smoking dude.
His character was so irritating! I loved the film, mind you, but I didn't care much for him and the chap who tagged along with him.
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Or maybe Johnny Depp "Scissorhands".....
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His character was so irritating! I loved the film, mind you, but I didn't care much for him and the chap who tagged along with him.
Yeah right, me neither. But he was cannon food anyway.
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Yeah right, me neither. But he was cannon food anyway.
[Show spoiler]The artificial human annoyed me most of all. Really the only change to the film I would've made is I would've cast someone else in Rapace's role.
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Old 06-10-2012, 09:07 PM   #3266
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I thank whoever posted the livejournal article about some dude's theory which i found to be EXTREMELY interesting

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

Saw the movie last night and loved it. even before reading his theory i still loved the movie and was never bored one second. i loved all the sci fi aspects and visually it was really awesome! Great cast too.

But reading more into the mythology of it from that article made me appreciate the movie even MORE!

The only thing i don't quite understand and he doesn't really go in to is :

[Show spoiler]How did the Engineers all die? We saw from the first hologram they were running away from something, what was it? i know they were building this black goo to kill the humans, but how did it turn on them in the first place?

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Old 06-10-2012, 09:08 PM   #3267
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Just got back from seeing this. I enjoyed the film immensely, and I think it does serve as both a prequel to the Alien series and also a first film in a possible series of its own. Spoilers abound for Prometheus and other Alien franchise films where noted.

Some points to make (mild spoilers for Alien):

People are complaining about the lack of characterization, especially compared to Alien, putting aside the fact that there were far fewer actors in the 1970s (hence the ones we had were better), I'd like to point something out:

[Show spoiler]There wasn't a hell of a lot of characterization in Alien. Yes there was more, specifically, the post-statis scene in the galley, but aside from that, there was very little screen time devoted to fleshing out the characters beyond the same brief character sketches we get in Prometheus. Think carefully now, what do you remember about Parker (Yaphet Kotto) beyond that he was a wisecraker and was buddies with Brett (Harry Dean Stanton)? Or who Lambert (Veronica Cartwright) was beyond a whiny crybaby? And do we really learn anything significant about Dallas (Tom Skerritt), or is he really just there to captain a vessel (Director's Cut notwithstanding)? We spend time with three people in Alien the most: Ripley, Ash and Kane. Instead, the other characters in Alien are more defined by their actions and how they move the plot along than anything else.

The latter film's failing is that the crew is about five members too large; cut those guys out (especially the two co-pilots) and/or replace them with automation, and then give the larger parts a bit more to do in the film. Janek could have piloted the ship alone in the end, for example, and Vickers could have been the Company rep on the ship (i.e. the one who sees financial opportunity in the Aliens and wants to bring them back), while David could have simply been Weyland's agent (for his personal goals), eliminating his presence from the ship. The one characterization I truly felt was lacking in Prometheus was Holloway, who felt like he was only there to inseminate Shaw. He did need a bit more screen time.

But just like in Alien, we again spend most of out time with three people: Shaw, David and Vickers. It's simply that these people have less to do because they're on a bigger ship with more people. To have less people in Prometheus would have made it stronger, but I still feel the plot is as inventive as Alien.


Which brings me to the second point I wanted to make (mild spoilers for Aliens, Alien³ and Alien: Resurrection):

[Show spoiler]People are saying the plot of Prometheus "has too may holes" when really, this is a film full of questions, and (to the disappointment of some, it seems) it doesn't necessarily have the answers to them. Fine, I say. Why do you need answers?

Is it really the point of a single film to make a journey like the one in Prometheus, and at the end of two hours, we should know Who exactly the Engineers are and why they wanted us dead? That after being told repeatedly that the film is not a direct prequel to Alien, we should see a Xenomorph? That we should be shown exactly why David feels he can destroy human lives in the name of his mission?

I think it's unfair to expect a single, two hour film to raise and answer all of these questions. Look at what you already can infer from the Alien franchise:

-Xenomorphs can take different forms based on the host creature. The classic Xenomorph is from a human, but many different varieties could exist (e.g. the Xenomorph of Alien³ or the creature at the end of Alien: Resurrection, which I'm not sure is technically a Xenomorph). Also, from what we can infer from the previous films, "classic" Xenomorphs did not exist until the one from Kane in Alien, because that one came from an egg laid by a Queen on LV-426. The question that Alien did not answer (and which Prometheus may have answered), is what host that Queen had come from.

-Androids are not to be trusted and may have ulterior motives.

I will grant you that the point about Engineers is new material that Prometheus brings to the table, but that very point is what Scott used to set up a sequel to the film, and to be honest, how do you really answer that question? Whatever answer is ultimately provided would arguably be a let down, because it would be like finding out that our creators truly want to wipe us out and here is why. I find it much more appealing to simply contemplate the idea instead of having the final answer, especially when the revelation of the Engineers themselves (including seeing one alive) and subsequent exposure to the creatures that pre-figured the Xenomorph from Alien (like the Queen that came from the Engineer at the end) is already a lot to see in a single two hour film. Much better to let the question weigh on our minds as a possible sequel comes along which could provide more answers and ask different questions.

To my mind, the only other weak point of Prometheus is the idea that this is a different planet than LV-426, when the Space Jockey and ship position have been conveniently set up on this planet (I think it was LV-223?). On the one hand, if we set aside the convenient ship position, and believe, as Scott says, that we are not setting up the events of Alien, we could then say that somehow the Queen from the Engineer (or her progeny) moved planets, and that there were more Engineer ships on other planets, but on the other hand, given the distress signal and the Space Jockey, it feels more accurate to say that this is the same planet from Alien, and the Queen from the Engineer is the missing link between the creatures in Prometheus and the egg that implanted Kane in Alien. As far as I can remember, though, the only time the planet was labeled in Prometheus was on a ship monitor screen, and if I recall, the label of the planet wasn't given in Alien and only first appeared in Aliens (but I could be wrong), so maybe this is just some sort of small but important error.


So, Prometheus, while not technically perfect as a narrative film, is such a thought-provoking and visually enthralling one that I found it to be excellent nonetheless. It's right up there with Alien and Blade Runner for me.

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[Show spoiler]That was Fifield, the geologist who hates dead bodies and loves rocks. The "tobacco" smoking dude.
That "tobacco" HAD to be ganja. It should be legal by then right? It would explain why he got so lost... dude was absolutely blazed.
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That "tobacco" HAD to be ganja. It should be legal by then right? It would explain why he got so lost... dude was absolutely blazed.
That's why I put tobacca in "..." ...Duh
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Old 06-10-2012, 09:47 PM   #3270
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I thank whoever posted the livejournal article about some dude's theory which i found to be EXTREMELY interesting

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

Saw the movie last night and loved it. even before reading his theory i still loved the movie and was never bored one second. i loved all the sci fi aspects and visually it was really awesome! Great cast too.

But reading more into the mythology of it from that article made me appreciate the movie even MORE!

The only thing i don't quite understand and he doesn't really go in to is :

[Show spoiler]How did the Engineers all die? We saw from the first hologram they were running away from something, what was it? i know they were building this black goo to kill the humans, but how did it turn on them in the first place?

the fact he didn't understand how they died reveals to me he was far more interested in looking too deep into it for xtian themes rather than just watching the movie and thinking
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:01 PM   #3271
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[Show spoiler]The artificial human annoyed me most of all. Really the only change to the film I would've made is I would've cast someone else in Rapace's role.
Wow....we're on totally different sides of the force on this one too

Loved Noomi and Michael. And now for our weekend predictions (which you'll remember from another thread - SW&TH).

Darth Side - Prometheus #3
Obi Me - Prometheus gonna be huge (forgot it was rated R, but did very well)
Darth Side - SN&TH #2
Obi Me - Will drop 50% (probably more)

Yay for the good guys!!! I'm #1!!! (Please no hand signs indicating this is so.... When you talk as much as I do, you're bound to be right every other eon).

It's been a really fun May and June (Avengers, even Battleship, MIB, SW&TH, Prometheus). For me there's going to be a bit of a lag until July and think Prometheus will do really well over the next three weeks.
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I thank whoever posted the livejournal article about some dude's theory which i found to be EXTREMELY interesting

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

Saw the movie last night and loved it. even before reading his theory i still loved the movie and was never bored one second. i loved all the sci fi aspects and visually it was really awesome! Great cast too.

But reading more into the mythology of it from that article made me appreciate the movie even MORE!

The only thing i don't quite understand and he doesn't really go in to is :

[Show spoiler]How did the Engineers all die? We saw from the first hologram they were running away from something, what was it? i know they were building this black goo to kill the humans, but how did it turn on them in the first place?
I agree with you Jonno. I plan on seeing this a second time before it exits theaters.

[Show spoiler]My thoughts on your spoiler is this:

They may have been planning on going back to Earth to use their genetic weapon on it's inhabitants, which they think they created, but they may have not created either species and were only tampering with both. The mutated morphing animal species is highly volatile, and seemed to breach their security measures, which is why they were running away from it. Since they couldn't contain it in a closed environment they must have chosen to cancel their plans to return to Earth. Otherwise why not continue with the plans since one of them was left to carry out the planning?


Just my thoughts on it at the moment. I dig these open ended films. They still leave plenty of noodling left for people.
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Just saw it. It was awesome.

For Joe public just watching it, it'd probably rate ok. But we all know that the cool factor is the tie in to Alien which I thought was well done.

Noomi Rapace was terrific.

About the only thing I found lacking and sorta out of place was
[Show spoiler]the pregnancy thing. You'd expect David would have ran after her. It just seemed awkwardly done - the actual scene in the medical chamber was cringeworthy (in a good way) though



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...Liked it better than all the Alien films so far except for Aliens...
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That's an opinion you should respect.

I prefer ALIEN3 over Alien and Aliens. How many roll your eyes smilies you wanna use on that?
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That's an opinion you should respect.

I prefer ALIEN3 over Alien and Aliens. How many roll your eyes smilies you wanna use on that?
Personally, I would use a LOT of them, but, hey, going to the movies is all about your enjoyment and being entertained. You know the saying...whatever floats your boat. Right?
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Personally, I would use a LOT of them, but, hey, going to the movies is all about your enjoyment and being entertained. You know the saying...whatever floats your boat. Right?
well put.
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Just got back from seeing this. I enjoyed the film immensely, and I think it does serve as both a prequel to the Alien series and also a first film in a possible series of its own. Spoilers abound for Prometheus and other Alien franchise films where noted.

Some points to make (mild spoilers for Alien):

People are complaining about the lack of characterization, especially compared to Alien, putting aside the fact that there were far fewer actors in the 1970s (hence the ones we had were better), I'd like to point something out:

[Show spoiler]There wasn't a hell of a lot of characterization in Alien. Yes there was more, specifically, the post-statis scene in the galley, but aside from that, there was very little screen time devoted to fleshing out the characters beyond the same brief character sketches we get in Prometheus. Think carefully now, what do you remember about Parker (Yaphet Kotto) beyond that he was a wisecraker and was buddies with Brett (Harry Dean Stanton)? Or who Lambert (Veronica Cartwright) was beyond a whiny crybaby? And do we really learn anything significant about Dallas (Tom Skerritt), or is he really just there to captain a vessel (Director's Cut notwithstanding)? We spend time with three people in Alien the most: Ripley, Ash and Kane. Instead, the other characters in Alien are more defined by their actions and how they move the plot along than anything else.

The latter film's failing is that the crew is about five members too large; cut those guys out (especially the two co-pilots) and/or replace them with automation, and then give the larger parts a bit more to do in the film. Janek could have piloted the ship alone in the end, for example, and Vickers could have been the Company rep on the ship (i.e. the one who sees financial opportunity in the Aliens and wants to bring them back), while David could have simply been Weyland's agent (for his personal goals), eliminating his presence from the ship. The one characterization I truly felt was lacking in Prometheus was Holloway, who felt like he was only there to inseminate Shaw. He did need a bit more screen time.

But just like in Alien, we again spend most of out time with three people: Shaw, David and Vickers. It's simply that these people have less to do because they're on a bigger ship with more people. To have less people in Prometheus would have made it stronger, but I still feel the plot is as inventive as Alien.


Which brings me to the second point I wanted to make (mild spoilers for Aliens, Alien³ and Alien: Resurrection):

[Show spoiler]People are saying the plot of Prometheus "has too may holes" when really, this is a film full of questions, and (to the disappointment of some, it seems) it doesn't necessarily have the answers to them. Fine, I say. Why do you need answers?

Is it really the point of a single film to make a journey like the one in Prometheus, and at the end of two hours, we should know Who exactly the Engineers are and why they wanted us dead? That after being told repeatedly that the film is not a direct prequel to Alien, we should see a Xenomorph? That we should be shown exactly why David feels he can destroy human lives in the name of his mission?

I think it's unfair to expect a single, two hour film to raise and answer all of these questions. Look at what you already can infer from the Alien franchise:

-Xenomorphs can take different forms based on the host creature. The classic Xenomorph is from a human, but many different varieties could exist (e.g. the Xenomorph of Alien³ or the creature at the end of Alien: Resurrection, which I'm not sure is technically a Xenomorph). Also, from what we can infer from the previous films, "classic" Xenomorphs did not exist until the one from Kane in Alien, because that one came from an egg laid by a Queen on LV-426. The question that Alien did not answer (and which Prometheus may have answered), is what host that Queen had come from.

-Androids are not to be trusted and may have ulterior motives.

I will grant you that the point about Engineers is new material that Prometheus brings to the table, but that very point is what Scott used to set up a sequel to the film, and to be honest, how do you really answer that question? Whatever answer is ultimately provided would arguably be a let down, because it would be like finding out that our creators truly want to wipe us out and here is why. I find it much more appealing to simply contemplate the idea instead of having the final answer, especially when the revelation of the Engineers themselves (including seeing one alive) and subsequent exposure to the creatures that pre-figured the Xenomorph from Alien (like the Queen that came from the Engineer at the end) is already a lot to see in a single two hour film. Much better to let the question weigh on our minds as a possible sequel comes along which could provide more answers and ask different questions.

To my mind, the only other weak point of Prometheus is the idea that this is a different planet than LV-426, when the Space Jockey and ship position have been conveniently set up on this planet (I think it was LV-223?). On the one hand, if we set aside the convenient ship position, and believe, as Scott says, that we are not setting up the events of Alien, we could then say that somehow the Queen from the Engineer (or her progeny) moved planets, and that there were more Engineer ships on other planets, but on the other hand, given the distress signal and the Space Jockey, it feels more accurate to say that this is the same planet from Alien, and the Queen from the Engineer is the missing link between the creatures in Prometheus and the egg that implanted Kane in Alien. As far as I can remember, though, the only time the planet was labeled in Prometheus was on a ship monitor screen, and if I recall, the label of the planet wasn't given in Alien and only first appeared in Aliens (but I could be wrong), so maybe this is just some sort of small but important error.


So, Prometheus, while not technically perfect as a narrative film, is such a thought-provoking and visually enthralling one that I found it to be excellent nonetheless. It's right up there with Alien and Blade Runner for me.
+1000!

As a casual fan of the Alien series (watching the movies and appreciating them but not following the series closely), this post helped me "connect the dots" and makes me want to revisit the earlier films (especially Aliens, seeing as how I didn't even realize
[Show spoiler]the creature that came out of the Engineer at the end could be the Queen
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So thanks for that!
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That's an opinion you should respect.

I prefer ALIEN3 over Alien and Aliens. How many roll your eyes smilies you wanna use on that?
I actually really liked Alien3.
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