Prometheus Review Thread (Spoilers)

[Hendershot737]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

Nothing after Aliens counts. . .

Haha

I'm definitely in the minority when I say I actually enjoyed Alien 3 (the extended cut more so)

Oh well...

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by mwynn

I did not make the cocky and arrogant angle statement. As for your other question, I prefer movies that have endings. The nature of the film to dictate a sequel. Way to many film makers are thinking sequel while creating the first movie. Think sequel after the movie has been released and the audience asks for it. Thinking sequel always hurts the movie you are working on. Movies like Star Wars and The Matrix had endings, yet had elements to build upon for sequels.

Yes, but Ridley wasn't thinking sequel here, which was obvious by his desire to secure a 2-movie deal.

A sequel is a second story that is related to the first story. What we have with Prometheus is the first half of one complete story.

When George Lucas made A New Hope in '76/'77, he took everything in his original idea for Star Wars and crammed it into one film because he thought he'd never get to make any sequels. This is why we ended up with two Death Stars.

Ridley didn't use the cramming technique, taking a chance that Prometheus would do well enough that he could finish it.

[MykeHavoc]

I am also of the belief that

[Show spoiler]it's a queen

.
Obviously if that is so, then Aliens is considered canon.
If Alien 3, in spite of its flaws, is also taken into consideration, then there are multiple scenarios in which

[Show spoiler]a queen can be conceived

.

[BLUEGRASS]

This pretty much sums up my feelings for Prometheus (from movies.com):

But script potholes and logic blackholes aren't always how a movie lives or dies. Sometimes scale and sweep and gorgeous pessimistic hugeness, ice-cold beauty, disorganization and the refusal to answer questions form an unlikely but strongly defiant alliance and carry you along on a transcendent wave bigger than mechanics alone could manufacture. You don't always get what you think you want, but what you wind up with is still immensely satisfying. So you look for hard evidence and reasons for this or that and instead you get evil creatures with no interest in explaining their intentions. You look for God and you get infinite doubt. The tension remains unresolved. There's no victory in the void. And while you're still busy asking "Why?" something devours your entire face and decimates humanity.

And an FYI about the surprise at the end...it has a name:

[Show spoiler]The Deacon - Ridley Scott's own name for the offspring of the Trilobite and the Engineer, who dubbed it so because the final design - which includes elements from Shaw, the Engineer and the Trilobite - looked, "like a Bishop's mitre, the evil Deacon's pointed hat." Two versions of it were built: One for inside the birthing sac within the Engineer, and one for when it stands up.

I'm going to see it again tonight. I'm looking forward to it!

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by MykeHavoc

I am also of the belief that

[Show spoiler]it's a queen

.
Obviously if that is so, then Aliens is considered canon.
If Alien 3, in spite of its flaws, is also taken into consideration, then there are multiple scenarios in which

[Show spoiler]a queen can be conceived

.

I think Ridley is discounting anything after Aliens. Weyland is played by Lance Henrickson in Alien 3. A3 is an unnecessary addition to the franchise because it recovers ground already covered, so it seems that he is ignoring everything post 1986 and on (which is fine by me!).

[InCali]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Yes, but Ridley wasn't thinking sequel here, which was obvious by his desire to secure a 2-movie deal.

A sequel is a second story that is related to the first story. What we have with Prometheus is the first half of one complete story.

When George Lucas made A New Hope in '76/'77, he took everything in his original idea for Star Wars and crammed it into one film because he thought he'd never get to make any sequels. This is why we ended up with two Death Stars.

Ridley didn't use the cramming technique, taking a chance that Prometheus would do well enough that he could finish it.

Not to mention that Leia and Luke weren't originally brother and sister (or so I heard). Lucas crammed and changed a lot of things.

Also from Exhibitor Relations

PROMETHEUS landed with extra cargo: $51,050,101

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

And I do not believe it is a

[Show spoiler]queen proper, but a proto-queen. Remember that the Acheron colony had a queen, so at some point a human colonist was a host for it.

I think this is the first queen, uninteded by design by the engineers. The aliens were supposed to be a self-propagating weapon of mass destruction, but I think the intent was for them to die out after they killed everything on a planet. Remember that the first xeno we ever saw in '79 was cocooning Dallas and the others into egg-like forms (in the DC) possibly building eggs out of their organic material, but a queen can continue to lay eggs without a host, maintaining an infestation threat on said planet.

So I think Shaw's "granddaughter" is a genetic anomaly the engineers never intended.

[Monk360]

$51,050,101 actual domestic take for Prometheus opening weekend; $142,550,101 worldwide.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=prometheus.htm

Another week or two should place it at the top of the Alien franchise:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchi.../?id=alien.htm

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Monk360

Another week or two should place it at the top of the Alien franchise...

Is that in "adjusted dollars?"

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by Monk360

$51,050,101 actual domestic take for Prometheus opening weekend; $142,550,101 worldwide.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=prometheus.htm

Another week or two should place it at the top of the Alien franchise:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchi.../?id=alien.htm

$51 million domestic over the weekend? Damn I as SO close. I guessed it would make $55 million. Though I get the feeling it'll have a big dropoff next weekend.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by Monk360

$51,050,101 actual domestic take for Prometheus opening weekend; $142,550,101 worldwide.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=prometheus.htm

Another week or two should place it at the top of the Alien franchise:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchi.../?id=alien.htm

Glad to hear it is doing well. The more sci-fi success the better

Bring on Event Horizon II

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Monkey

Bring on Event Horizon II

Uh no, let's not. The first one was fun, but barely passable.

[Monk360]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Is that in "adjusted dollars?"

Minus payload, of course.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Monk360

Minus payload, of course.

[Stridulent]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

And I do not believe it is a

[Show spoiler]queen proper, but a proto-queen. Remember that the Acheron colony had a queen, so at some point a human colonist was a host for it.

I think this is the first queen, uninteded by design by the engineers. The aliens were supposed to be a self-propagating weapon of mass destruction, but I think the intent was for them to die out after they killed everything on a planet. Remember that the first xeno we ever saw in '79 was cocooning Dallas and the others into egg-like forms (in the DC) possibly building eggs out of their organic material, but a queen can continue to lay eggs without a host, maintaining an infestation threat on said planet.

So I think Shaw's "granddaughter" is a genetic anomaly the engineers never intended.

In the Alien/Aliens/Alien3 universe, queen's are developed from the first drone that reaches a new territory as a form of adaptation. The one from Alien was first stocking up hosts (as shown in the director's cut) before shifting into a queen state and laying eggs (thus making it basically immobile). This is also the stance that many books have taken.

The proto-queen from Prometheus obviously didn't evolve this way, but could therefore be the start of the species.

[Adam.C]

I will be seeing this again in IMAX once my brother gets back from Japan. The 3D was amazing @ my IMAX theater. The best I have ever seen to date.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Uh no, let's not. The first one was fun, but barely passable.

I disagree but then again I love sci-fi.


I already want a Prometheus 2 without having watched it yet.. Promised my friend I'd watch it with him next week, ugh waiting sucks.

[MykeHavoc]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I think Ridley is discounting anything after Aliens. Weyland is played by Lance Henrickson in Alien 3. A3 is an unnecessary addition to the franchise because it recovers ground already covered, so it seems that he is ignoring everything post 1986 and on (which is fine by me!).

The jury is still out as to whether Bishop II was an android or not (regardless of the color of his blood). And even if he was human, being a descendant of Weyland isn't really out of the realm of possibility. Obviously that pays off more in AVP (which is I guess at this stage is considered an "elseworlds" type of story).

[Clippins]

Went and saw this on Saturday in IMAX 3D. Thought it was good -- 2nd best movie I've seen this year behind The Avengers, however I still had issues with a few parts. First and foremost, I expected this to be a suspense horror type movie like the first Alien and it wasn't. Never seemed to have that "monster in the house" vibe.

Wondering if anyone understood the following:

[Show spoiler]What was the purpose of the beginning of the movie? Why did the "engineer" infect himself and what was the result other than he got torn apart? What was the purpose of the ship he was looking at prior to infecting himself? Was it dropping something off, picking something up??? I just don't know why a movie would have these beginning elements if they really never had a payoff. Why not just start with Shaw digging in the cave?

Also what was the purpose of the geologist who took the acid bath coming back in some sort of reincarnated form to wreck stuff up? Why not just have an Engineer come instead. I just didn't see the purpose. He died. Why bring him back?

[Bluballs31]

Originally Posted by tommyboy81

I recently watched the first 2 for the first time last week. I say you don't have too.

Originally Posted by Tony208

It works just as well or better as a standalone film. You don't go complaining about how the dots do or don't connect to the other films.

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

No, you do not have to see them first. This movie is more of a spinoff than a prequel. In fact, it might make for an interesting experience to see Prometheus before the originals.

I had posted my question in the Alien anthology thread as well but wanted to thank you guys as well for answering me. Here was my response there



I appreciate all your responses, I ended up going to catch the flick without seeing any of the Alien films and I actually really enjoyed the movie a lot. I went in knowing absolutely nothing about the aliens franchise other than just knowing basically what the "monster" looks like.

I enjoyed it a lot though as a whole and it just made me really want to watch the Alien films to just finally see them already and simply because I am just much more interested than I ever was previously. Hopefully, the Alien films will please me as much as Prometheus did. I plan on watching 1 tonight and the sequels this weekend.

Thanks again for the responses people

p.s

as corny as this might sound, i loved the intro music in Prometheus, it just felt very epic in a sense, just gave a good feeling to kick off the 2 hours.