Prometheus Review Thread (Spoilers)

[raygendreau]

I posted an article several pages back that discusses, in detail, with comments from industry pros, the benchmarks for determining profitability of a movie based on boxoffice results and the relative importance of international receipts. Rule of thumb: If worldwide box office (currently 217 miil +)= 2x production cost (130 mill confirmed) then the film is profitable. Given that the film has yet to open in Germany, Italy, Spain etc (total of 10 countries) and just opened in South America, There is no doubt whatsoever that it will gross 260 Mill. Also, given Ridley's comments on his interest in doing the sequel, the only shoe left to drop is the Fox greenlight. In my opinion, there will be a sequel. The volume of discourse on the internet is a positive for this as well.

[Rambaldi47]

This is how I think Prometheus and Alien tie together. We've seen in the Head Room that the Engineers may have worshipped the Xenomorph. People keep saying that the derelict ship from Alien crashed on LV-426 long before the events of Prometheus. What I think is that the Engineers created something like human life on another planet before, and maybe used to the goo on them, which eventually led to the creation of something like the xenomorphs. So they filled a ship with the eggs and sent it to bring the eggs to a planet where they could create more xenomorphs, and it crashed on LV-426 because somehow the driver got implanted with a chestburster. So I think that since then, the engineers have been experimenting on LV-223 trying to recreate xenomorph they lost. One of their experiments went out of control and killed them all. And by chance, David's meddling with the goo, Shaw and Halloway led to the creation of the Deacon, and who knows where that will go, because it seems that the Nostromo finds the original lost ship and that's where the xenomorphs in the rest of the series originate from.

So that's my theory, anyway. I'm wondering what they'd do in a sequel, because they made it very clear that Prometheus didn't take place on LV-426 and the ship was not the derelict from Alien, which is obvious because the engineer didn't die in his seat wearing his suit, and it wasn't filled with eggs that were protected by that blue light. I'm thinking that it really would've been easy for Ridley to have Prometheus end that way, so it must have been intentional. He couldn't have forgotten what he established in his own movie, right?

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I posted an article several pages back that discusses, in detail, with comments from industry pros, the benchmarks for determining profitability of a movie based on boxoffice results and the relative importance of international receipts. Rule of thumb: If worldwide box office (currently 217 miil +)= 2x production cost (130 mill confirmed) then the film is profitable. Given that the film has yet to open in Germany, Italy, Spain etc (total of 10 countries) and just opened in South America, There is no doubt whatsoever that it will gross 260 Mill. Also, given Ridley's comments on his interest in doing the sequel, the only shoe left to drop is the Fox greenlight. In my opinion, there will be a sequel. The volume of discourse on the internet is a positive for this as well.

I'm gonna get on the Ray Train, only because I want to stay positive.

If greenlighted, I hope he starts on it right away.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Dead By Shaun

Man...I hope Fox greenlights a sequel soon and gets Ridley started on it pronto. At 74 he isn't getting any younger and I, for one, want him to complete his vision!

Don't worry. If he dies Spielberg will come in and finish it. I mean, he did such great work on AI.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by cinemaphile

Ha! evwryone iin my theater was saying same thing - why dont they just run to the side?

To me, this issue about zigging and zagging is the smallest of nits. The Juggernaut is 750 feet in diameter, which means the arms are around 100 feet wide in the area where Shaw and Vickers are attempting to avoid being crushed. The Prometheus is as large as a WW II battleship. The Prometheus is completely destroyed. Where is the debris from Prometheus landing? The ladies are sheltered from the debris by the mass of the rolling Juggernaut. Zigging or zagging puts them right in the path of the falling debris. Look at the Juggernaut. http://www.cgsociety.org/index.php/C...ial/prometheus There are many large side elements that could prevent any part of the Juggernaut from hitting them as it rolls to a stop and falls over.

The most intelligent course is a straight line, which they both followed.

[Show spoiler] Shaw fell while running in a straight line. Do you seriously think rolling three times would have gotten her out of danger? You do remember that you see Shaw in a small cavity under the mass of the Juggernaut at the end of the scene, right. The door has been left open for Vicker's to have survived as well for the sequel in the same way. While Lindelof confirmed that Vickers was not a robot, he refused to confirm that she died.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Rambaldi47

This is how I think Prometheus and Alien tie together. We've seen in the Head Room that the Engineers may have worshipped the Xenomorph. People keep saying that the derelict ship from Alien crashed on LV-426 long before the events of Prometheus. What I think is that the Engineers created something like human life on another planet before, and maybe used to the goo on them, which eventually led to the creation of something like the xenomorphs. So they filled a ship with the eggs and sent it to bring the eggs to a planet where they could create more xenomorphs, and it crashed on LV-426 because somehow the driver got implanted with a chestburster. So I think that since then, the engineers have been experimenting on LV-223 trying to recreate xenomorph they lost. One of their experiments went out of control and killed them all. And by chance, David's meddling with the goo, Shaw and Halloway led to the creation of the Deacon, and who knows where that will go, because it seems that the Nostromo finds the original lost ship and that's where the xenomorphs in the rest of the series originate from.

So that's my theory, anyway. I'm wondering what they'd do in a sequel, because they made it very clear that Prometheus didn't take place on LV-426 and the ship was not the derelict from Alien, which is obvious because the engineer didn't die in his seat wearing his suit, and it wasn't filled with eggs that were protected by that blue light. I'm thinking that it really would've been easy for Ridley to have Prometheus end that way, so it must have been intentional. He couldn't have forgotten what he established in his own movie, right?

Ridley has already told us that the Juggernaut and the derelict on LV-426 were 'brother ships' in the same timeframe. So, the ship landed on LV-426 2000 years before the events depicted in Prometheus.

Scott and Lindelof also said the Prometheus sequel, should there be one, will skew even further from closing the loop with 1979's Alien.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I'm gonna get on the Ray Train, only because I want to stay positive.

If greenlighted, I hope he starts on it right away.

Like Duffy, I'm not always right, so if you get on the train, stay close to a door.
A couple of months ago, I was firmly convinced that the Prometheus trailers were showing me the derelict crashing on LV-426. Imagine my chagrin when I saw the LV-223 graphic in a screencap.

Hmmm. Just noticed this: Birth of the Deacon
“We went back to the original Giger drawings and paintings and designs and made sure we could heed those patterns and keep to the design, while modifying it just slightly, enough to get this extra level of articulation,” explains Hill. “The

[Show spoiler]Deacon is the product of the face-hugging Trilobite and the Engineer. What happens next sets up the sequel to the prequel.”

By the way, if the Deacon was a queen, Ridley would have called it a Deaconess.

[Enigmatical]

Originally Posted by animefan77

This thread is so large that we can't check back what the answers to some of our questions. I missed the most basic answer about this being not the direct prequel to Alien.

[Show spoiler]and not even being on the same planet

let me see if I can answer this. I think I read some pages back about this...

[Show spoiler]Tree is the Christmas tree (we see captain putting it up when they arrive). So the tree is important because it reveals the date (Christmas Eve) Then later we found out from the carbon dating(from the head?) that this happened about 2000 years old.(When the Jesus Christ was around) So it says something about the religion and Jesus Christ. So when the alien is finally born on the next day(Christmas), it's referencing that. Maybe implying that it's an anti-christ, destructor of human kind.

Also from the director's separate interview, we found out that indeed the one of the Engineer was sent to earth, and he was Jesus Christ. And the whole reason that the Engineers are trying to kill all of us with the bio-weapon is that we killed(crucified) Jesus(one of them) And Ridley Scott thought revealing this is too "on the nose" so he took it out but left hints with the tree and the date.

Gotcha. Thanks man that makes sense.

[Starpower67]

Is the 3d in this movie good? I am going to see it tommorow, and I am wondering which version to go see.

[InCali]

Originally Posted by Starpower67

Is the 3d in this movie good? I am going to see it tommorow, and I am wondering which version to go see.

Didn't see it in 2D. The 3D cinematography is among the best I've seen in 3D (but I saw it in a real IMAX and not the fake little AMC mini me...I mean MAX..theaters).

[kdawq]

Originally Posted by Starpower67

Is the 3d in this movie good? I am going to see it tommorow, and I am wondering which version to go see.

Personally I don't think seeing this in 3D is necessary.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

While it's true that the 3D isn't necessary (I don't think it really ever is), it does enhance the experience greatly. It's extraordinarily well done. Definitely the best 3D outside of Hugo IMO.

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by Starpower67

Is the 3d in this movie good? I am going to see it tommorow, and I am wondering which version to go see.

IMO its very well done. There is a nice sense of depth applied and every object in the film seems to get the proper treatment so everything has a nice balance to it.

I dont think its necessary to see it in 2D but if youre any sort of fan of 3D then I recommend it.

[Starpower67]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

While it's true that the 3D isn't necessary (I don't think it really ever is), it does enhance the experience greatly. It's extraordinarily well done. Definitely the best 3D outside of Hugo IMO.

Wow really? I will definitly see it in 3d then. I enjoy 3d but only when it is done right, not the post conversion that was in films like Clash of the Titans. I also didn't enjoy it in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows pt 2, the movie was so dark that there where scene I could barely make out who was in it.

[raygendreau]

Roger Ebert has embraced Prometheus, as you know, if you read his review.

His blog has sparked an incredible amount of discourse at a very high level. If you read any of the 400+ responses to his tweet exchange, either your head will explode or grow at least an inch in circumference. Raelian Creation story and the Finnish Egg Legend, indeed.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2012...omment-4884804

[MykeHavoc]

**SPOILER**


I hope they alter the end on the BD to have Theron run to the side only for the ship to smush her so people will shut up about it.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Roger Ebert has embraced Prometheus, as you know, if you read his review.

His blog has sparked an incredible amount of discourse at a very high level. If you read any of the 400+ responses to his tweet exchange, either your head will explode or grow at least an inch in circumference. Raelian Creation story and the Finnish Egg Legend, indeed.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2012...omment-4884804

Ebert: A Gallup poll last week found that 46% of Americans believe the earth was created in the last 10,000 years. No mention of days, to be sure.

46%.. my the education system is much worse than I thought. And to think they want to reduce the amount of required science courses in California..

[SirMontyPython]

Originally Posted by Monkey

46%.. my the education system is much worse than I thought. And to think they want to reduce the amount of required science courses in California..

Apparently dinosaurs aren't in the realm of biology...based on that Gallup poll...
How about that theory the moon came from Earth? Wow!

[InCali]

Originally Posted by Starpower67

Wow really? I will definitly see it in 3d then. I enjoy 3d but only when it is done right, not the post conversion that was in films like Clash of the Titans. I also didn't enjoy it in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows pt 2, the movie was so dark that there where scene I could barely make out who was in it.

Clash of the Titans was "unbearable" and the new one wasn't much better (but nothing could have been worse).

I'm glad to see people are seeing "Hugo" for what it is....possibly the finest example of how to do 3D yet (won't pay for Avatar yet so I can't compare them).

Interesting about Harry Potter...not done quite right, but in my HT, it's definitely not too dark to see the scenes. Don't know if the made some sort of change in the DVD or whether my PJ does a really good job. It's pretty bright.

[Lemmy Lugosi]

Originally Posted by Monkey

46%.. my the education system is much worse than I thought. And to think they want to reduce the amount of required science courses in California..

I agree. That figure is simply apalling.