Prometheus Review Thread (Spoilers)

[TheWildWhelk]

Originally Posted by Valaquen

http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2012...eyland-in.html

Obviously something's lost in translation (as the article warns), as Weyland isn't the only connecting vein to ALIEN, considering that we've seen the derelict craft and the Jockey chair.

I have £10 right here that says that the ship we see in the trailer is not the exact same ship that is in Alien. It's important to bear in mind that this is based on the fact that there are subtle differences in the interior and exterior design of the ship if we look at the background walls as the 'pod' rises out of the floor as the Space Jockey approaches it.

I'm just not buying it. It ain't the same ship, guys.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

I have £10 right here that says that the ship we see in the trailer is not the exact same ship that is in Alien. It's important to bear in mind that this is based on the fact that there are subtle differences in the interior and exterior design of the ship if we look at the background walls as the 'pod' rises out of the floor as the Space Jockey approaches it.

I'm just not buying it. It ain't the same ship, guys.

What subtle differences are you referring to?

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

I have £10 right here that says that the ship we see in the trailer is not the exact same ship that is in Alien. It's important to bear in mind that this is based on the fact that there are subtle differences in the interior and exterior design of the ship if we look at the background walls as the 'pod' rises out of the floor as the Space Jockey approaches it.

I'm just not buying it. It ain't the same ship, guys.

Yea, I am also of the same opinion, as I do not believe that it is the same ship that we see in ALIEN.

Originally Posted by raygendreau

What subtle differences are you referring to?

Well for me, the planet that it crashes on appears to be completely different from the first film. Climate and physical geography are way off. And going by memory, the SJ chair chamber seems to have a few differences in it.

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[csdot]

whether or not its the exact same ship from the original film its obviously very closely related and ridiculously similar. its obviously a connection to the original Alien either way.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Yea, I am also of the same opinion, as I do not believe that it is the same ship that we see in ALIEN.





Well for me, the planet that it crashes on appears to be completely different from the first film. Climate and physical geography are way off. And going by memory, the SJ chair chamber seems to have a few differences in it.

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I disagree, but not enough to take Torah's bet.

If the end of the official Prometheus trailer shows the Spacejockey ship crashing on LV-426, I see no major difference in the climate and cloud cover of the planets/planetoids.

As for the geography, changes could be attributed to seismic activity, if millions of years pass between the end of Prometheus and the beginning of Alien. If you accept the fossilization idea, subtle differences in the pilot room could be attributed to that. The ship itself was posited to be a living biomechanical entity that may have been subject to the same fossilization seen in the Spacejockey.

In a recent talk with Speakeasy (via ComingSoon), Scott elaborated slightly on his previous statements on Prometheus saying that the last eight minutes of the film will evolve into "a pretty good DNA of the Alien one."

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I disagree, but not enough to take Torah's bet.

If the end of the official Prometheus trailer shows the Spacejockey ship crashing on LV-426, I see no major difference in the climate and cloud cover of the planets/planetoids.

As for the geography, changes could be attributed to seismic activity, if millions of years pass between the end of Prometheus and the beginning of Alien. If you accept the fossilization idea, subtle differences in the pilot room could be attributed to that. The ship itself was posited to be a living biomechanical entity that may have been subject to the same fossilization seen in the Spacejockey.

In a recent talk with Speakeasy (via ComingSoon), Scott elaborated slightly on his previous statements on Prometheus saying that the last eight minutes of the film will evolve into "a pretty good DNA of the Alien one."

Ah, I forgot about that possibility.

Good point.

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[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Ah, I forgot about that possibility.

Good point.

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I hope we finally get an answer to what the mission of the derelict was and whether the eggs were bioweapons. If I had to guess, the ship was on its way for a clean up on aisle Earth in retaliation for some transgression by the Prometheus crew on the Engineer home planet.

Yet another bogus Prometheus plot?? http://www.prometheus-movie.com/comm...ums/topic/1665

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by csdot

whether or not its the exact same ship from the original film its obviously very closely related and ridiculously similar. its obviously a connection to the original Alien either way.

Agreed.

Yes, the room isn't identical and the seat isn't either. Of course they might have just not been concerned with keeping it identical.

Alien SPACE JOCKEY scene - YouTube

[Tcan21]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I hope we finally get an answer to what the mission of the derelict was and whether the eggs were bioweapons. If I had to guess, the ship was on its way for a clean up on aisle Earth in retaliation for some transgression by the Prometheus crew on the Engineer home planet.

Yet another bogus Prometheus plot?? http://www.prometheus-movie.com/comm...ums/topic/1665

I liked this "plot" better than the one that was leaked not too long ago....guess we will see in a few months

[TheWildWhelk]

Also worthy of note compairing the image and video above is the scale of the humanoid and 'space jockey chair' compaired to the one from Alien. This raises more questions than answers and may suggest that the actual technology remains the same but the chair is a custom build for it's occupant. Either that or the Humanoid can change physical stature.

[csdot]

Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

Also worthy of note compairing the image and video above is the scale of the humanoid and 'space jockey chair' compaired to the one from Alien. This raises more questions than answers and may suggest that the actual technology remains the same but the chair is a custom build for it's occupant. Either that or the Humanoid can change physical stature.

i dont know how you could determine scale from that still. thats definitely not a human being (not a normal one anyway) and we have no idea how big it is.

[TheWildWhelk]

Originally Posted by csdot

i dont know how you could determine scale from that still. thats definitely not a human being (not a normal one anyway) and we have no idea how big it is.

Exactly, Csdot, if you look at the Alien clip it blatantly shows that the occupant of the 'Chair' is absolutely massive, possibly 10 feet plus in height, we then get a shot from Prometheus showing a virtually identical chair and a humanoid who appears to be either regular human height or who is supposed to match the massive scale of the original occupant.

[raygendreau]

Perhaps more than you ever wanted to know about the derelict in Alien (includes preproduction artwork of the derelict in its "alive" state:

http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.c.../Derelict.html

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

Also worthy of note compairing the image and video above is the scale of the humanoid and 'space jockey chair' compaired to the one from Alien. This raises more questions than answers and may suggest that the actual technology remains the same but the chair is a custom build for it's occupant. Either that or the Humanoid can change physical stature.

I don't see anything to indicate the scale is not the same, since we don't know whether the being seen in the Prometheus trailer is human or not or how far away he is from the spacejockey chair.

One notable difference between the two pilot rooms is the presence of the stasis chambers/sarcophagi or whatever those are on the deck by the being and surrounding the chair. I'm not sure how their omission from the derelict in Alien can be explained.

[The Space Jockey]

The Space Jockey in Alien (1979) - YouTube

[beanham22]

Anyone else extremely disappointed that Guy Pearce's role is nothing more than a cameo? It is cool that he is playing Weyland (Who I thought was established to look like Bishop in Alien 3?), but seriously he has to be the most underused actor of all time.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by beanham22

Anyone else extremely disappointed that Guy Pearce's role is nothing more than a cameo? It is cool that he is playing Weyland (Who I thought was established to look like Bishop in Alien 3?), but seriously he has to be the most underused actor of all time.

From what I have seen and read, longevity is going to be a problem for any of the characters portrayed in Prometheus. It is quite possible no one will be left standing at the end. The strength of the performance, not the length is what counts. Guy Pearce may last longer than Kate Dickie.

[Offender_Mullet]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

As for the geography, changes could be attributed to seismic activity, if millions of years pass between the end of Prometheus and the beginning of Alien. If you accept the fossilization idea, subtle differences in the pilot room could be attributed to that. The ship itself was posited to be a living biomechanical entity that may have been subject to the same fossilization seen in the Spacejockey.

If that much time has passed, then it means Weyland's company was also around for that long as well. Impossible. I don't think Scott would make an error like that. I think people are taking Dallas' "it looks fossilized" line in Alien too seriously. Remember these Space Jockeys are wearing 'skeletal armor' suits.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

I really kinda wish Ridley would have stuck with 'Weylan' instead of 'Weyland'. Admittedly, it's a minor thing. But I'd have preferred continuity with his previous film rather than the others.

I'm looking forward to this regardless of how many plot connections there are to Alien. I just loved the world and atmosphere that was set up in the first film. If this has a similar vibe and look (the trailer certainly does) to Alien, I can't wait.

I too wish Guy Pearce had a bigger role. Oh well, take what you can get.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Offender_Mullet

If that much time has passed, then it means Weyland's company was also around for that long as well. Impossible. I don't think Scott would make an error like that. I think people are taking Dallas' "it looks fossilized" line in Alien too seriously. Remember these Space Jockeys are wearing 'skeletal armor' suits.

At Comicon 2011, Ridley Scott said that the beginning of the movie, which was shot at the Iceland waterfall depicted the beginning of time, perhaps showing the terraforming of Earth. This led to speculation that time travel via a wormhole was involved at some point in the movie. We know that parts of the Prometheus movie take place about 30 years prior to the Alien movie time line. I was suggesting that the scene in the trailer of the Alien ship crashing took place thousands or millions of years prior to the Nostromo crew discovering it in the Alien movie. Yes, its pretty far fetched, but how else do you explain the similarities of the ship and the Spacejockey pilot room in the two films?

Ridley Scott said that the last eight minutes of Prometheus evolve into the Alien movie: http://www.ifc.com/fix/2011/11/ridley-scott-prometheus

The argument falls apart, as you said, without some element of time travel involved.