Prometheus Review Thread (Spoilers)

[Snicket]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

I find it quite telling that the Blu-ray is being promoted with the promise that "questions will be answered".

This should be the final nail in the coffin for those who claim that its numerous illogicalities were deliberately enigmatic. Sounds like damage limitation to me; and supports my strong instinct that no sequel will be made.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

I find it quite telling that the Blu-ray is being promoted with the promise that "questions will be answered".

This should be the final nail in the coffin for those who claim that its numerous illogicalities were deliberately enigmatic. Sounds like damage limitation to me; and supports my strong instinct that no sequel will be made.

No doubt some will claim that the film-makers have been forced to this by the general ignorance of the public. But whichever way you look at it, this is a climbdown. If the mess of Prometheus was deliberate, this is plain cowardice. If it was just a mess, this is an embarrassing admission.

You know fox already gave the sequel a green light, right?

[Ernest Rister]

I loved the first hour of Prometheus. Story started to fall apart the second hour, with characters doing really silly things, contradicting themselves. Then characters start having magical powers of deduction and start giving speeches. Handsome production, beautiful photography, great performances, marvelous visual f/x, eye-popping art direction, clunky clumsy screenplay. I wouldn't pan the movie - I just felt let down by it. No movie is better than it's screenplay. If you've got trouble on the page (scientists scared out of their minds and lost in an creepy temple suddenly want to pet a primordial cobra? Captain of a ship suddenly deducing the ship is a WMD factory? You've been impregnated with an alien life form and an officer drugs you so that you won't say anything and carry it to "term", you escape and give yourself a C-Section -- and then you don't immediately go tell the captain or anyone what has just happened to you)...you have problems on the page, then you have trouble on the stage. I was on board for the first hour, but it just crumbles in the second hour because the characters weren't doing what they would do, they do what the writer needs them to do. When you stop beieving in the characters, everything falls apart. That's what happened with Prometheus, despite intriguing ideas, imagination, and incredible production values.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

I find it quite telling that the Blu-ray is being promoted with the promise that "questions will be answered".

This is the LOST and X-FILES model. They may clarify some minor things, but no, they aren't going to answer the major questions from the film. They want people arguing about it on the internet for the next three years providing free publicity until the next movie. That's why the movie ends the way it does...with a search for answers. No way they're going to give resolutions to all of these on the Blu-Ray release.

[Damage Inc.]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

This is the LOST and X-FILES model. They may clarify some minor things, but no, they aren't going to answer the major questions from the film. They want people arguing about it on the internet for the next three years providing free publicity until the next movie. That's why the movie ends the way it does...with a search for answers. No way they're going to give resolutions to all of these on the Blu-Ray release.

Funny how the World works... If everyone was as quiet and inactive as I am, marketing wouldn't work.
I just ignore it and patiently wait until the next movie comes out, if there still will be. If not, I'll only talk about it with sóme people.
I'm not going to join whole arguments about "What happens?!". XD Cause it's pointless, unless people just enjoy creating huge theories about it, that's fine.

All in all, I can't believe how negative some (or many) people are about 'Prometheus'. It's for different reasons, but I thought it was quite amazing.
And I'm not impressed easily or a sucker for special-effects (although I am a bit for GOOD ones, which this one has).
But in my view this was a solid movie and quite original as well. I was impressed and it has some of the most awesome scenes.
And it's not like I haven't ever seen anything in my life.
I think it's just other people that need to have some appreciation or people are too negative, too quickly.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; This is pretty much what I wanted 'Alien' to be. Heck, maybe this was what Ridley Scott wanted in the first place.
But if you think about it, with a couple of changes, this could pretty much BE 'Alien' only made decades later.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Damage Inc.

Funny how the World works... If everyone was as quiet and inactive as I am, marketing wouldn't work.
I just ignore it and patiently wait until the next movie comes out, if there still will be. If not, I'll only talk about it with sóme people.
I'm not going to join whole arguments about "What happens?!". XD Cause it's pointless, unless people just enjoy creating huge theories about it, that's fine.

All in all, I can't believe how negative some (or many) people are about 'Prometheus'. It's for different reasons, but I thought it was quite amazing.
And I'm not impressed easily or a sucker for special-effects (although I am a bit for GOOD ones, which this one has).
But in my view this was a solid movie and quite original as well. I was impressed and it has some of the most awesome scenes.
And it's not like I haven't ever seen anything in my life.
I think it's just other people that need to have some appreciation or people are too negative, too quickly.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; This is pretty much what I wanted 'Alien' to be. Heck, maybe this was what Ridley Scott wanted in the first place.
But if you think about it, with a couple of changes, this could pretty much BE 'Alien' only made decades later.

I agree, though I think "a couple of changes" should be amended to "a new pass by a script doctor", because the only thing wrong with the movie is the script. I'm not talking about dialog, I'm talking about structure and characters behaving in ways not too far removed from a B-level slasher film. Some of the actions by the characters are simply inexplicable (removing helmets, biologists wanting to pet alien cobras, enduring a horrifying biological assault by a psycho robot and not telling anyone about it). Prometheus reminds me of Spielberg's The Terminal. Sometimes, "idea movies" are built on a very fragile premise, and characters do thing that ring false, it just collapses all suspension of disbelief. The "plausible imbossible" become the "implausible possible", and once that happens (on mutliple occasions), you become divorced from the movie and the drama.

It's a handsome production, great ideas, great acting, great lensing, and I wouldn't pan it (as I said), but the movie has issues regarding the screenplay and story structure. I think en extended cut might help with many of these, but I think - even more - the screenplay should have gone back in the oven, maybe even sent to multiple script doctors to iron out the wrinkles. It isn't a terrible movie, and I think everyone should at least see it. Certainly far worse films out there, but the film has serious story issues.

[Damage Inc.]

Yes, exactly. But with "a couple of changes" I just meant to say, change the story here and there, sort of back into 'Alien' and it's basically the same thing.
Apart from that 'Alien' of course has the smaller setting, more of the isolation and eerie silence and things like that.
But again, 'Prometheus' is basically thát movie in thís generation, it's just bigger and more "epic" and all that.

But I agree, it's no masterpiece because some things in the movie áre weird, and there definitely could've been improvement.
I pretty much agree to the rating it has on IMDb, which is currently a 7.4,
which at the same time doesn't make sense compared to how I see this movie get attacked by a large group of people.
I guess the majority would disagree and luckily they do see something good in this movie.

Anyway, I wasn't disappointed and can't wait to see another one, hopefully topping this one, and including some Alien-aliens.

[nremdn]

Originally Posted by Snicket

You keep fighting the good fight buddy LOL.

Some people in this thread are ridiculous. Was Prometheus a masterpiece? Not hardly, but it was still a good movie. Any longtime fan definitely left the theater with some questions, but it is nowhere near as bad as some of you people are making it out to be. I, personally, am looking and hoping for a sequel. A solid sequel that ties it all together could really help peoples perception of Prometheus. Either way, as I've said before, I will be glad to have it in my collection. It's way better than Alien3 or Resurrection, and it's not even close. I was just glad to be watching a legitimate Alien movie again, plot holes or not. If they choose to not make a sequel and leave the holes unfilled I will be disappointed as well, but the fact I got more information on one of my favorite movie universes is great to me.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by nremdn

You keep fighting the good fight buddy LOL.

Some people in this thread are ridiculous. Was Prometheus a masterpiece? Not hardly, but it was still a good movie. Any longtime fan definitely left the theater with some questions, but it is nowhere near as bad as some of you people are making it out to be. I, personally, am looking and hoping for a sequel. A solid sequel that ties it all together could really help peoples perception of Prometheus. Either way, as I've said before, I will be glad to have it in my collection. It's way better than Alien3 or Resurrection, and it's not even close. I was just glad to be watching a legitimate Alien movie again, plot holes or not. If they choose to not make a sequel and leave the holes unfilled I will be disappointed as well, but the fact I got more information on one of my favorite movie universes is great to me.

I agree with all of that, actually. I never said it was bad, I only said it had some issues. But yes, it's miles ahead of Alien3 and Alien4, and I look forward to the next entry.

[nremdn]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I agree with all of that, actually. I never said it was bad, I only said it had some issues. But yes, it's miles ahead of Alien3 and Alien4, and I look forward to the next entry.

How great would it be to get a sequel like Aliens? I love Alien, but my favorite will always be Aliens. This may be because it was the first Alien movie I watched (considering the first time I watched an Alien movie was around 1990'ish), but I think it would still be my favorite even if it wasn't the first I watched. Prometheus laid the ground work (much like Alien) and it would be something if Paradise broke it open and gave us the action and continuation of Aliens. Calling James Cameron!!!....LOL

I'm still ready to give Prometheus a fair second chance, because honestly I haven't looked forward to a movie as much as I did Prometheus in years. I left the theater very meh about certain things, but I also had sky high expectations going in. I don't know if anything could have ever pleased me that night.

[Damage Inc.]

Originally Posted by nremdn

...It's way better than Alien3 or Resurrection, and it's not even close. I was just glad to be watching a legitimate Alien movie again, plot holes or not. If they choose to not make a sequel and leave the holes unfilled I will be disappointed as well...

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I agree with all of that, actually. I never said it was bad, I only said it had some issues. But yes, it's miles ahead of Alien3 and Alien4, and I look forward to the next entry.

It's pretty obvious that it's better than Alien 3 and 4, although I also enjoyed those more than most people or fans.
But, I even think, in ways, that 'Prometheus' rises above 'Alien' and 'Aliens', for different reasons.
Most people will probably want to reach through the screen and punch me for that.
But in all honesty, being open to all types of films and not being spoiled by more modern special effects
and watching them with an open mind, I was rather bored, at least mostly throughout the first.
That's why I said "this is what I wanted 'Alien' to be", because it's a better mix of story and spectacle.
That's also why I instantly enjoyed 'Aliens' more than 'Alien', however thát one was also dragged down by a lot of cheesiness.
'Prometheus' is almost like Ridley Scott's 'Alien'-feel mixed with Cameron's spectacle.
And other reasons, like, to me the suspense in the first two movies was too low, there was just nothing and more nothing.
That doesn't mean I think it's not a good piece of work, I appreciate it, it's just not very spectacular.
And there's also stupid stuff in them, similarly to that in 'Prometheus'. It's just that 'Prometheus' is able to make up for it a lot easier.

But I take my hat off to Ridley Scott for moving ahead in time, actually using new technology, although it may be a lot of CGI, and still making it good.
Especially on a franchise that was at first made and appreciated for its minimalistic approach and also use of sets, props and models only.
It's a big risk, but I feel that it just works somehow. It seems familiar, except updated.

Originally Posted by nremdn

How great would it be to get a sequel like Aliens? Prometheus laid the ground work (much like Alien) and it would be something if Paradise broke it open and gave us the action and continuation of Aliens. Calling James Cameron!!!....LOL

Also, thát... It doesn't have to be a joke. I think it would be great to see either a collaboration between Scott and Cameron.
If not that, I don't know how Scott feels about doing a sequel lately, but if he doesn't want to continue, James Cameron might be interested.
However, he will probably be very busy on Avatar 2 and 3... if thát's not actually a joke...

[duggie walker]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

You know fox already gave the sequel a green light, right?

Yes. I also know how little that means without even a first draft screenplay. Precisely nothing.

It's not about Fox anyway. It's down to Scott and I don't think he'll make it.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

Yes. I also know how little that means without even a first draft screenplay. Precisely nothing.

It's not about Fox anyway. It's down to Scott and I don't think he'll make it.

Why? Scott wants to make it. He's been saying that before they even made the first. He pitched this as two movies to the studio, not one. The studio told him they would do the first and then wait to see how it did. So Scott stuck to his guns and just did the first movie, not combining them into one script, and now Fox is allowing Him to see his plan through to the end. I don't see Scott not returning to finish his story. He'll be back, and 'Paradise' will be out before you know it.

[duggie walker]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

Why? Scott wants to make it. He's been saying that before they even made the first. He pitched this as two movies to the studio, not one. The studio told him they would do the first and then wait to see how it did. So Scott stuck to his guns and just did the first movie, not combining them into one script, and now Fox is allowing Him to see his plan through to the end. I don't see Scott not returning to finish his story. He'll be back, and 'Paradise' will be out before you know it.

I don't believe so. I think he knows he botched it and I think no other writer is going to be able to get them out of the corner they've painted themselves into.

I'll admit this does rely on them wanting to make a good movie. If they're happy to stay at Prometheus levels of idiocy then I suppose it could be done.

Remember that Scott is nearly 80. He's also said he's going to make Blade Runner 2, Monopoly, The Forever War, a biopic of Gucci and Child 44 - all in just as solid terms as he's said he'd make a Prometheus sequel. The Cormac McCarthy film he's making at the moment came out of nowhere.

Like it or not, Prometheus is a film that's been roundly ridiculed, almost a joke, across the media. Your best hope is that Scott is so embarrased by this that he wants to make a sequel in order to prove that he was always going to make two (not true, by the way).

But no-one's going to win this argument here and now. Despite what you may think, I would LOVE to see a truly great Prometheus sequel that makes me look like an idiot for saying all this. I'm profoundly disappointed by the film - not because I didn't understand it and not because I was expecting another Alien film - but because I expected a great piece of science-fiction cinema.

Let's see what happens.

[Damage Inc.]

^

You have a point there. Unless Scott is suddenly in a rush to make the sequels he always wanted to make, a sequel to 'Prometheus' might just not be coming.
However, thát gives me the idea that someone else will simply pick it up. Like say, again, Cameron, or a different director who would make sense to do it.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

I don't believe so. I think he knows he botched it and I think no other writer is going to be able to get them out of the corner they've painted themselves into.

I'll admit this does rely on them wanting to make a good movie. If they're happy to stay at Prometheus levels of idiocy then I suppose it could be done.

Remember that Scott is nearly 80. He's also said he's going to make Blade Runner 2, Monopoly, The Forever War, a biopic of Gucci and Child 44 - all in just as solid terms as he's said he'd make a Prometheus sequel. The Cormac McCarthy film he's making at the moment came out of nowhere.

Like it or not, Prometheus is a film that's been roundly ridiculed, almost a joke, across the media. Your best hope is that Scott is so embarrased by this that he wants to make a sequel in order to prove that he was always going to make two (not true, by the way).

But no-one's going to win this argument here and now. Despite what you may think, I would LOVE to see a truly great Prometheus sequel that makes me look like an idiot for saying all this. I'm profoundly disappointed by the film - not because I didn't understand it and not because I was expecting another Alien film - but because I expected a great piece of science-fiction cinema.

Let's see what happens.

I'm not calling you an idiot, I don't think you are either. I would love to see an amazing sequel to 'Prometheus' as well. We just have to wait and see, but I'm hopeful it will happen. Lets hope.

[raygendreau]

Well, of course the sequel to Prometheus will be made! Anyone who doesn't believe that is in denial. Fassbender and Rapace are under contract to do it.

http://collider.com/prometheus-2-sequel-2014/185603/

[Snicket]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

I don't believe so. I think he knows he botched it and I think no other writer is going to be able to get them out of the corner they've painted themselves into.

I'll admit this does rely on them wanting to make a good movie. If they're happy to stay at Prometheus levels of idiocy then I suppose it could be done.

Remember that Scott is nearly 80. He's also said he's going to make Blade Runner 2, Monopoly, The Forever War, a biopic of Gucci and Child 44 - all in just as solid terms as he's said he'd make a Prometheus sequel. The Cormac McCarthy film he's making at the moment came out of nowhere.

Like it or not, Prometheus is a film that's been roundly ridiculed, almost a joke, across the media. Your best hope is that Scott is so embarrased by this that he wants to make a sequel in order to prove that he was always going to make two (not true, by the way).

But no-one's going to win this argument here and now. Despite what you may think, I would LOVE to see a truly great Prometheus sequel that makes me look like an idiot for saying all this. I'm profoundly disappointed by the film - not because I didn't understand it and not because I was expecting another Alien film - but because I expected a great piece of science-fiction cinema.

Let's see what happens.

I need less opinion and more facts if you are making a serious argument. All I see here is an Internet fan who thinks he has an accurate pulse on the media when in fact he couldn't be more wrong.

Prometheus a joke in the media? Ridiculed by everyone? It just passed $400 million. I hate to tell you but the Internet haters are in the extreme minority.

The sequel has a green light. The principle actors are signed on. The train has already started rolling.

[Damage Inc.]

Originally Posted by Snicket

I need less opinion and more facts if you are making a serious argument. All I see here is an Internet fan who thinks he has an accurate pulse on the media when in fact he couldn't be more wrong.

Prometheus a joke in the media? Ridiculed by everyone? It just passed $400 million. I hate to tell you but the Internet haters are in the extreme minority.

The sequel has a green light. The principle actors are signed on. The train has already started rolling.

It's a partial truth, but yes, the haters are a minority. And like I've said before, ratings are generally around or just above a 7 (or 70% positive).
That however doesn't mean that plenty of people don't say that the movie is also ridiculous at times.

[Snicket]

Originally Posted by Damage Inc.

It's a partial truth, but yes, the haters are a minority. And like I've said before, ratings are generally around or just above a 7 (or 70% positive).
That however doesn't mean that plenty of people don't say that the movie is also ridiculous at times.

But not to the extent that the poster was insinuating.